Will Dump appear before Mueller ?

[Gabi Hayes]

If so, will he 5th it?

I don't see him appearing

He's incapable of telling the truth for more than a few moments in a row

What are his options?

[Gabi Hayes]

1. Got the idea listening to Larry OD

Funny stuff

He is toast if he has to sit

[Gabi Hayes]

2. Also great:

The idea of all the conspirators trying to keep the grand fabrication together, sitting all alone

Lots of 5ths/contempt citations on the menu

Gonna be schwing!

[Gabi Hayes]

3. Wanna bet if he appears, he'll TRY to take the 5th to

every question, but he won't be able to control himself

He'll think he can outsmart em


Hahaha:

Jennifer Rubin said that as I typed it!

Weird!

Not sad!

[Gabi Hayes]

4. Rubin: "Even if he goes in with a note stapled to

his forehead, 'take the 5th Amendment,' does anyone think he'll resist the urge that he won't be pulled into a discussion?"

Word for word; she snickered as she said it, obviously pleased with her cleverness.

I snorted!

That made my day

[chillfactor]

5. I don't think he has a choice...

if he is issued a subpoena, he has to appear....if he doesn't appear he could be arrested.

[Gabi Hayes]

6. He will fight it, just as WJC did

All depends on the makeup of the court that sees it

That's how Clinton got screwed, by the crooked Sentelle court, who fired Fiske and hired RW operative Starr

Either way, existential entertainment is in the offing

Fervent hopes that he's forced to appear

[VermontKevin]

7. Bill Clinton went in front of the DC grand jury and nailed it.

They refused to return a true bill.

Starr then had no choice but to go to the House, sans indictment.

Trump doesn't have a leg to stand on. Irony of ironies, I suspect that if he is hauled in front of the DC grand jury, he's going to face one like Scooter Libby did: the grand jurors there had lists of questions for him, and then returned a true bill of perjury based on one of their own questions. He got convicted on that count.

[Gabi Hayes]

8. He committed perjury, according to L O'D

tonight

He went on at length about how it was by far the worst decision of Clinton's life

As you cite, his GJ testimony was the basis for impeachment, lack of indictment notwithstanding

ODonnell explained it much more salubriously than I

[VermontKevin]

9. The grand jury refused to bill perjury.

When that happened, Starr had to go political with impeachment. Yeah, he got it in the House. Lost the conviction, and got two Republican Speakers of the House dethroned.

It was a smart gamble on WJC's part and I disagree with L O'D. If nothing else then WJC managed to set precedent that yes, a President can be indicted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/us/politics/can-president-be-indicted-kenneth-starr-memo.html

[Gabi Hayes]

10. Cost Gore the election, both by associative guilt

and the fact that Gore was afraid to allow the by-then hugely popular president to campaign for him

I get your point about it helping WJC (that's how he regained his popularity), and certainly hopes the GJ precedent holds, but as a nation, we lost bigly

Worse, his dicksploits negated his ability to
to campaign hard for his wife, thanks to the scumbags who've exploited all the Vince Fosteresque, Scaife/Ruddy/Fox driven garbage for 20+ years

Even worse, his Epstein connection made it impossible for HRC to screw trump to the wall for his vile partnership with that complete monster

E.G., inability to drive an entire narrative of sickening exploitation, with this quote as a jumping off point.

I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,’’ Trump told New York Magazine back in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

So much more to go along with that

And, parenthetically, why did this get zero play:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/alexander-acosta-trump-jeffrey-epstein-plea-235096

President Donald Trump's new nominee for secretary of labor, Alexander Acosta, could face a grilling in the Senate over claims that — while he was the top federal prosecutor in Miami — he cut a sweetheart plea deal in 2008 with a billionaire investor accused of having sex with dozens of underage girls.

As the U.S. attorney for Southern Florida, Acosta agreed not to file any federal charges against the wealthy financier, Jeffrey Epstein, if he pled guilty to state charges involving soliciting prostitution and soliciting a minor for prostitution.

Epstein ultimately received an 18-month sentence in county jail and served about 13 months — treatment that provoked outrage from alleged victims in the case.

Soon after the deal was cut in 2008, two women filed suit claiming that the decision to forgo federal prosecution violated a federal law — the Crime Victims Rights Act — because they and other teenagers Epstein paid for sex were never adequately consulted about the plea deal or given an opportunity to object to it.

This crooked weasel is now sec of labor, and Epstein should be in jail for life!

But I digress......

[VermontKevin]

11. That's two winger tropes I just don't accept.

1. Gore won. He lost because SCOTUS and the Electoral College screwed him. It's nice to pretend that having Bill Clinton campaigning more for him would have changed the decision in Bush v. Gore, but that has no basis in reality.

2. Jeffrey Epstein? Right. Again, wingers like to pretend there is an Epstein/Clinton connection. It had about as much validity as the Mena Airport claims, but you go right ahead.

I'm kinda surprised that this website allows conspiracy theory about the Clintons.

[Gabi Hayes]

12. Gore lost enough votes by dint of scabrous

association to have made Florida scam impossible

No Clinton conspiracy monger here; simple fact that dems couldn't use trumpstein because of what the pugs had waiting in the wings

They used it enough as it was, prophylactically, to scare Dems away from going there. As I mentioned above, no BS story invented out of whole cloth was too base for them to use. You clearly know they've been at it for going on 30 years. It has nothing to do with reality, any more than Seth Rich/Wikileaks did

Your 2 unverifiable conjecture is no more valid than mine

Other than that.......

[rock]

14. Clinton did not commit perjury

He did however drag his feet enough to make the court mad. And he confessed that he was not forthright enough.

[Ilsa]

13. Being a malignant narcissist means never having to say you'll take the fifth,

to turn a phrase.

He will answer the questions based on his altered reality. He doesn't believe he's done anything to incriminate himself.