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SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:32 AM Jul 2012

More Black Men are in Prison Today than Enslaved in 1850

http://www.laprogressive.com/black-men-prison-system/


More Black Men are in Prison Today than Enslaved in 1850
By Dick Price


“More Black men are in prison or jail, on probation or parole than were enslaved in 1850, before the Civil War began,” Michelle Alexander told a standing room only house at the Pasadena Main Library, the first of many jarring points she made in a riveting presentation.

Alexander, currently a law professor at Ohio State, had been brought in to discuss her bestseller, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness. Interest ran so high beforehand that the organizers had to move the event to a location that could accommodate the eager attendees. That evening, more than 200 people braved the pouring rain and inevitable traffic jams to crowd into the library’s main room, with dozens more shuffled into an overflow room, and even more latecomers turned away altogether. Alexander and her topic had struck a nerve.

Growing crime rates over the past 30 years don’t explain the skyrocketing numbers of black — and increasingly brown — men caught in America’s prison system, according to Alexander, who clerked for Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun after attending Stanford Law. “In fact, crime rates have fluctuated over the years and are now at historical lows.” “Most of that increase is due to the War on Drugs, a war waged almost exclusively in poor communities of color,” she said, even though studies have shown that whites use and sell illegal drugs at rates equal to or above blacks. In some black inner-city communities, four of five black youth can expect to be caught up in the criminal justice system during their lifetimes.

As a consequence, a great many black men are disenfranchised, said Alexander — prevented because of their felony convictions from voting and from living in public housing, discriminated in hiring, excluded from juries, and denied educational opportunities. “What do we expect them to do?” she asked, who researched her ground-breaking book while serving as Director of the Racial Justice Project at the ACLU of Northern California. “Well, seventy percent return to prison within two years, that’s what they do.”


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Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
1. More reasons why we don't need to rebuild this system from the ground up.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:40 AM
Jul 2012

Because if we did, this would stop happening.

The law enforcement system is rotten to its core. The solution goes way past reforming drug laws and de-privatizing prisons. We've got to stop concentrating primarily on poor minority neighborhoods, repeal laws that disenfranchise felons... etc etc etc. As you can imagine, the list of needed fixes is almost as long as the Beowulf poem.

If a car were as broken as our system of justice we'd just junkyard the clunker and get a new one. It would simply cost less.

But we're just hell-bent on either giving up on the problem, or perpetually trying in vain to fix individual problems when the whole system is falling apart.

We'll continue on with this hopelessly broken system of justice, bloated and choking to death on the WORLD'S LARGEST PRISON POPULATION, from now onto infinity, while telling ourselves "we can fix it, piecemeal".

Good luck with that, America. Enjoy!

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
3. Well the population has grown a bit since then
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jul 2012

making direct comparisons a bit more difficult.

As a percentage I'd say a lot fewer blacks are in jail today than were enslaved in the 1800s

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
4. Look at the unemployment rate for black men who aren't in prison.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 12:05 PM
Jul 2012

That"s no great life either. We've failed black males period.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
10. It's a collaborative effort.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:44 PM
Jul 2012

When you strip somebody of all responsibility you strip them of their personhood. All that's left is taking charge of their lives because, well, you and not they are responsible.

Too many of my kids in class already tell me that since society's failed them and is racist, that's what they expect from me. Then they do nothing because, well, if their failure is because of society and wasn't their doing, any success they have in the future must also be society's and not their own doing.

Either way, they have no reason to be responsible. Their effort doesn't matter--but good things should come to them.

They hear it from others and repeat it--when somebody makes good choices, works hard, and achieves his goal it's just "luck." Again, there's no sense of responsibility. If it *was* their hard work and good choices, the kids would be damning themselves and are wise enough to put down others rather than have to judge themselves.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
6. Your headline isn't quite correct
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:03 PM
Jul 2012

Alexander is talking about people tied up with the penal system in one way or another. That includes not only those in prison serving their sentences, but those in jail awaiting trial, and those on probation or parole. The number of black men in prison is about 846K. The 1850 census showed 3.2 million slaves. Assuming roughly half were men, that's still twice the number incarcerated today. Even if you subtract children, who are typically 25 percent or so of the total population, it still doesn't match up.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
8. You're right. The fault is with them, then
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:07 PM
Jul 2012

It's odd that it completely conflicts with their own lead graph, but they still used it.

The lead doesn't say 'in prison,' it says 'prison, parole, jail, and probation.' Those aren't all interchangeable synonyms. Pretty sloppy. But certainly not your fault.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
9. The BLS has much different numbers. (quote and link)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jul 2012

According to the BLS, in 2010, there were a total of 2,266,800 people "incarcerated" in Federal and State prisons (defined as "includes prisoners held in the custody of state or federal correctional facilities or privately operated facilities under state or federal authority....&quot and jails ("estimates were revised to include all inmates confined in local jails, including inmates under the age of 18 who were tried or awaiting trial as an adult and the number held
as juveniles.&quot


http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpus10.pdf

Igel

(35,320 posts)
11. That's at some point.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:51 PM
Jul 2012

You're picked up one day and released the next, you were incarcerated in that year. You show up, presumably, in that number.

This means one jail cell that could house two people could account for over 700 people in one year--unlikely, but possible.

The total number of people in that jail cell during the year could be drastically different from the actual number "in prison or in jail" at a single point in time in the year.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
12. That's everybody though. Men and women of all races
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 04:46 PM
Jul 2012

The OP is just about black men.

Either way both numbers are very high.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
13. Yet it was that noted racist Richard Pryor who said, "Thank God we got penitentiaries!"
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 04:56 PM
Jul 2012
http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=20121

(I agree with you about the disproportionate population of young black males in jail, as well as the fecklessness of the "War on Drugs", but lots of folks, regardless of color, really do need to be locked up.)
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