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(86,005 posts)
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 05:29 PM Aug 2017

Grand juries, at the federal level, almost always vote to indict people accused by the prosecutor

_____ Grand juries, at least at the federal level, almost always vote to indict people accused by prosecutors of a crime. As you can see in the chart (below), federal prosecutors pursued over 160,000 cases against defendants in 2009-2010 (the last period for which there is data), and grand juries only voted not to return an indictment in 11. Prosecutors decided not to pursue charges in thousands of cases for a host of other reasons, such as weak evidence or other authorities were pursuing the case.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/11/24/the-single-chart-that-shows-that-grand-juries-indict-99-99-percent-of-the-time/?utm_term=.c0376ce172cd

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Grand juries, at the federal level, almost always vote to indict people accused by the prosecutor (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2017 OP
DURec leftstreet Aug 2017 #1
Who will win the first indictment? nt procon Aug 2017 #2
There is NO one better than Robert Mueller. PearliePoo2 Aug 2017 #3
rec! progressoid Aug 2017 #4
The evidence is usually that strong. n/t cynatnite Aug 2017 #5
From Wikipedia GopherGal Aug 2017 #6
You're right and I should have clarified... cynatnite Aug 2017 #7
Right GopherGal Aug 2017 #10
The Land Where Ham Sandwiches Fear to Tread Stinky The Clown Aug 2017 #8
Unless it is cops who shoot black people dead. boston bean Aug 2017 #9

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
3. There is NO one better than Robert Mueller.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 05:39 PM
Aug 2017

He knows what he's doing, he's NOT fucking around. He's a Patriot and for him and all the professionals on his team, this will be their finest hour! Godspeed good ladies and gentlemen!

GopherGal

(2,010 posts)
6. From Wikipedia
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:28 PM
Aug 2017
Generally speaking, a grand jury may issue an indictment for a crime, also known as a "true bill," only if it finds, based upon the evidence that has been presented to it, that there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed by a criminal suspect.


So the evidentiary standard for issuing an indictment is not that high.
Also, in the grand jury, only the prosecutors present evidence. There's no exculpatory evidence presented at this stage.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
7. You're right and I should have clarified...
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:32 PM
Aug 2017

However, in the federal grand jury I served on, they walked in with pretty overwhelming evidence most of the time. There was once when we felt it was lacking and we didn't vote to indict.

Also, we were well aware that an indictment didn't equal conviction.

GopherGal

(2,010 posts)
10. Right
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:04 PM
Aug 2017

I think it's a combo of a couple things:
Because the stakes are lower (issuing an indictment, not determination of guilt), there's a lower bar for evidence required to get an indictment, and exculpatory evidence not presented.
Prosecutors don't generally proceed to that step until they're fairly confident that they can meet that (lower) standard.

I think we at DU seem a little prone to getting overexcited every time things come out, so I'm being a bit of a killjoy in trying to get across that this doesn't mean they've got an open-and-shut case for conviction. At this point the grand juries tell us they apparently think they've got "probable cause" to get subpoenas and indictments.

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