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Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 09:06 PM Aug 2017

So now I must suffer in silence or scream bloody murder (again)

So now I must suffer in silence or scream bloody murder (again) at having a president who can barely articulate a thought or consistently use coherent English rules of grammar and syntax telling me my mother should have been banned from entering this country.

This fraud who calls himself president, who is now advocating banning immigrants who do not speak English from coming to America makes my blood boil.

I recall the first time my mother was home alone and had to answer the door in America. It was Halloween, and costumed children were at the door. She could not speak a lick of English and they could not speak Japanese. She fed them rice balls wrapped in seaweed. They laughed and ate them.

When she decided to become a citizen, she sat down and memorized the book, teaching herself to read and write by recopying the Citizenship pamphlet over-and-over in her meticulous cursive that looked so Japanese. The words look like she sounded with her "Broken English" she struggled to overcome.

Me? I teach English, have mastered most of the conventions. I can mimic most any style. And like other English teachers, I can hear your accents still. Every one of you. I can hear what country you come from based on how you write on a piece of paper: Japanese, Russian, German, Mexican, Vietnamese, etc. Your handwriting will always identify your origins. But what you have to say is what really matters. What is in your heart.

I found that notebook my mother filled with the rules for citizenship, the questions she needed to be able to answer, even the Bill of Rights written over and over like a prayer. And Emma Lazurus's words: In my mother's handwriting. "I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

And now President Bone Spur suggests that somehow keeping someone like my mother out of the US is going to help American factories open again and give African Americans more jobs. Are you kidding me? In Queen's, Long Island English (or whatever that is he calls what he speaks) let me just say he needs to Shut the Fuck Up. Yo.

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So now I must suffer in silence or scream bloody murder (again) (Original Post) Generic Other Aug 2017 OP
The Bone Spur is a gutless ignoramus. BSdetect Aug 2017 #1
My dear Generic Other! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2017 #2
My dear Generic Other, you are AWESOME ! trueblue2007 Aug 2017 #18
I think you can file this under "elections have consequences." leftofcool Aug 2017 #3
Tell that to the GOP Generic Other Aug 2017 #5
Me too and I'm still with her. leftofcool Aug 2017 #25
Me too, and I'm resentful toward those who are trolling to bury her. I always read what you write. NBachers Aug 2017 #37
A TRULY RIGHTEOUS rant!! lastlib Aug 2017 #4
Why thank you! Generic Other Aug 2017 #9
Sorry to hear this ...he's is a scab on the back of mankind. onecent Aug 2017 #6
My mother passed away last March Generic Other Aug 2017 #27
I remember your post of this after her passing . So wonderful to see again lunasun Aug 2017 #28
This is only about bringing in people who would be H1B's but now would be LiberalArkie Aug 2017 #7
it's miller time bora13 Aug 2017 #8
Isn't that what they said about Goebbels? Generic Other Aug 2017 #29
Thank you for this. volstork Aug 2017 #10
he is evil thru and thru triron Aug 2017 #11
Wonderful OP! Stonepounder Aug 2017 #12
And he tries to bring this crap to America Generic Other Aug 2017 #30
He has no brain and no heart apkhgp Aug 2017 #13
I did not mean to besmirch the Queens, New York English Generic Other Aug 2017 #31
No besmirch taken apkhgp Aug 2017 #51
Former English teacher with a Swedish immigrant mom here BadgerMom Aug 2017 #14
And I bet your mother also pushed you to learn life lessons: Generic Other Aug 2017 #32
Yes BadgerMom Aug 2017 #39
I never did get all those lessons down by any means Generic Other Aug 2017 #40
Some vast percentage of newcomers PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #15
Glad to be 50th rec... hunter Aug 2017 #16
Go ahead and scream ladym55 Aug 2017 #17
Important story. Thanks. zentrum Aug 2017 #19
Retired English teacher here. HurricaneWarning Aug 2017 #20
Because too many white Americans protect other white Americans who are racists Generic Other Aug 2017 #33
Presidential candidates should be required to pass the American Citizenship Test to qualify catbyte Aug 2017 #21
He would cheat and send a ringer to the test. Seriously. Shrike47 Aug 2017 #23
I would rather have a good citizenship test Generic Other Aug 2017 #34
That's what they should do for the early primary debates. hedda_foil Aug 2017 #44
Let us also not forget Melania worked in the US for 5 years illegally, and Trump flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #22
Hypocrisy is his middle name (not John). BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #26
She speaks English a little better than my mother Generic Other Aug 2017 #35
I think we need to deport #45. mwooldri Aug 2017 #24
He is not doing it because he can't Generic Other Aug 2017 #36
Hey... uriel1972 Aug 2017 #38
Scotland gave us haggis, then Trumps Generic Other Aug 2017 #41
Gave me an education :) mwooldri Aug 2017 #47
Maybe we can send him on a permanent vacation. Initech Aug 2017 #54
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2017 #42
This is all this South Philly girl has... WinstonSmith4740 Aug 2017 #43
Ditto DarleenMB Aug 2017 #45
These are the people who made America great Generic Other Aug 2017 #46
Dear Ms Other: The thesis of your essay, that ... planetc Aug 2017 #48
I would tell you to SCREAM BLOODY MURDER as loud as you want Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #49
And from the other coast .... Shoonra Aug 2017 #50
K & R! Lifelong Protester Aug 2017 #52
I've never seen a president and a party who are so divisive against the other side. Initech Aug 2017 #53

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
5. Tell that to the GOP
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:04 PM
Aug 2017

Every day until it sinks in to their stupid little brains.

I voted for the woman who got the most votes.

NBachers

(17,146 posts)
37. Me too, and I'm resentful toward those who are trolling to bury her. I always read what you write.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 01:06 AM
Aug 2017

Your message, and your presentation, are always worthy of attention.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
9. Why thank you!
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:07 PM
Aug 2017

Sadly, I was about to post another piece of my mind when I somehow lost it. So my second rant goes unranted.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
6. Sorry to hear this ...he's is a scab on the back of mankind.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:04 PM
Aug 2017

I have never hated a man as much as I hate him...GOD I DETEST HIM.
sorry for not having your mother around....if he has already work his fucking magic
Good luck to you and your mother.

LiberalArkie

(15,729 posts)
7. This is only about bringing in people who would be H1B's but now would be
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:06 PM
Aug 2017

citizens. Replace IT people and MD's etc with imported people for less money.

bora13

(860 posts)
8. it's miller time
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:07 PM
Aug 2017

they throw him out there you know it is intentional to scare
those who may be vulnerable to such action and words.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
29. Isn't that what they said about Goebbels?
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 12:14 AM
Aug 2017

I actually googled AND IT IS what they say about him. "Speakers on the caliber of Goebbels warmed up the crowd...Hitler used to wait like a rock-star - as the crowds outside grew...to the strains of Wagner overlaid..."

Whipping up the mob with WW2 racist dogwhistles and an alt-right arguing style like a boot in the face. No reason. Just pure hate. Must be called out. Or we are complicit.

volstork

(5,403 posts)
10. Thank you for this.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:19 PM
Aug 2017

It is touching to hear the story of your mother and to hear how she strove to be a good citizen of her adopted country.

Assholes like trump just want to take and take and take and have no regard for others. He will be relegated to the garbage bin of history. Soon, I hope.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
12. Wonderful OP!
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:24 PM
Aug 2017

My father's parents didn't speak very good English. They immigrated from Germany to get away from Hitler. So, I guess I shouldn't be here either.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
30. And he tries to bring this crap to America
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 12:21 AM
Aug 2017

We should all be rising up in defense of the American Dream he is destroying.

apkhgp

(1,068 posts)
13. He has no brain and no heart
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:26 PM
Aug 2017

He was born in Queens, New York.
I was born in Queens, New York.

After that we have no more commonalities. The screwed- up rationalization that 45 puts forth "makes my blood boil" ( if I could borrow that from your post).


apkhgp

(1,068 posts)
51. No besmirch taken
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 04:02 PM
Aug 2017

You have every right to say everything in your post. If I was you I would say the same things. In exactly the same way. I wish I could have been so educated on my vocabulary. That is something that 45 can only see in his wet dreams.


BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
14. Former English teacher with a Swedish immigrant mom here
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:28 PM
Aug 2017

I feel you. Trump enrages me. Would that he could be half--heck, 1/10--the American my mom was.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
32. And I bet your mother also pushed you to learn life lessons:
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 12:25 AM
Aug 2017

instilled morals, empathy for others, kindness, service to your community, etc. All the things conservative yahoos mock us for.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,902 posts)
15. Some vast percentage of newcomers
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:32 PM
Aug 2017

to this country arrived not speaking English. Most of them learn the language after a while.

Trump, and those supporting this, are total dolts.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
17. Go ahead and scream
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:37 PM
Aug 2017

We are all with you. Every day I think it CAN'T POSSIBLY get any worse, and lo and behold, it does!! Today was just another new low.

It would really be handy if Americans would master their own language (spoken and written) and one or two other languages in addition. Our own ignorance makes the hateful garbage Stephen Miller spewed today even more appalling.

People who want to come to this country need to know English. Those of us already here--not so much.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
33. Because too many white Americans protect other white Americans who are racists
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 12:29 AM
Aug 2017

by not wanting to speak up, stick our necks out, the racists get away with this shit.

I understand. We all do. Speaking out is not always easy.

But damn. How much more of this are we going to accept?

catbyte

(34,458 posts)
21. Presidential candidates should be required to pass the American Citizenship Test to qualify
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:05 PM
Aug 2017

for the primaries. I'll bet that lazy, vile, willfully ignorant, incurious, bigoted, mean-spirited, narcissistic, morally bankrupt, and very, very small pathetic excuse for a man who's currently infesting the White House wouldn't be able to answer even one question correctly.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
44. That's what they should do for the early primary debates.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:43 AM
Aug 2017

In the general election debates, they should cite the Constitution to support their positions. Of course, that would not go over well with the repukes' billionaire sponsors, the wannabe oligarchs of America.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
22. Let us also not forget Melania worked in the US for 5 years illegally, and Trump
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:06 PM
Aug 2017

had her parents moved here as well. I guess only "hot" immigrants and their families are welcome?

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
35. She speaks English a little better than my mother
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 12:33 AM
Aug 2017

but if her spontaneous efforts are an indication of her mastery of four other languages, well I guess I am a polyglot by her standards as I can say multiple foreign words too.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
24. I think we need to deport #45.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:23 PM
Aug 2017

Back to a cold Scottish island. On the Outer Hebrides. With no golf course.

After all, his mother is Scottish.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
38. Hey...
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 01:26 AM
Aug 2017

What did Scotland ever do to you?

Seriously, I can think of no better candidate for a moonshot.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
41. Scotland gave us haggis, then Trumps
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:17 AM
Aug 2017

But I hear the holes on the moon are great for golf.

Better than a White House staff unable to control a senile old man who mumbles "Snowflake" every night as he drops off to sleep, tweets at 3 AM when the Miralax kicks in, threatens to bomb some other country daily, and meets with the Russians more than he sees his own wife. He or his representatives are currently destroying the country as fast as they can, lining his and his childrens' pockets with cash, peddling influence, corruption, laundering cash because they seem desperate as if they owed massive amounts of cash to Russians and are unable to make good on the debt. They will have to pay the piper eventually. After all, he has the "pee pee" Tapes.




mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
47. Gave me an education :)
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:01 PM
Aug 2017

University of Dundee... 4 years alas no degree (mental illness sucks).

Scotland can take #45. As a private citizen, of course. I don't think #45 could take Scotland. Oompahloompahs are not native to Scotland and I don't know if he could survive the climate, plus the winters.

One way trip to Mars looks good though.

DarleenMB

(408 posts)
45. Ditto
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:54 AM
Aug 2017

My maternal Grandfather came here from Ukraine. Although he had a college education and could sing operas in Italian, his English was always a bit sketchy. My maternal Grandmother's family came over from Sweden and Germany. Lucky me that Trump wasn't around then or I might not be here to call him names and demand his impeachment and immediate jailing for treason.

planetc

(7,838 posts)
48. Dear Ms Other: The thesis of your essay, that ...
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:16 PM
Aug 2017

your mother was three or four times the American that "President Bone Spur" is, is fully supported by excellent examples.

Do please favor us with another rant. Or, have you thought of stand-up comedy?

However you choose to express yourself, please feel encouraged to do so.

Shoonra

(523 posts)
50. And from the other coast ....
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 04:02 PM
Aug 2017

And my father arrived on the opposite side of America in 1915, with his parents, speaking not a word of English. And his mother never quite managed to communicate in English. But my father made a point of getting a Master's degree in English from an ivy league college, and eventually teaching English to (drumroll, please) immigrants to America. By the time I was born, my father spoke English with no discernible accent, besides being fluent in three other languages. He taught English to many hundreds of immigrants. He also served in the US Army (I somehow felt the need to mention that).

Initech

(100,105 posts)
53. I've never seen a president and a party who are so divisive against the other side.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:55 PM
Aug 2017

Ever. I thought it was bad during the Bush years but the hatred and animosity that the republicans have towards the democrats is unlike anything I've ever seen. They invade our protests and make us look like violent lunatics. They demonize us on every network at every hour. And our president doesn't do anything to unite us, he just attacks the other side daily and fuels the haters and white supremacists. We are heading for dark times.

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