Bernie says need to "take on" Democratic Party establishment? WTF ?? IGNORE this thread

[Eliot Rosewater]

Link to tweet

Anybody else get this email?

I am so sick of this shit.

this is a dupe

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029399668

[Gothmog]

1. We do not need this type of internal conflict

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. Agreed, I wish we had a singular voice, anyone who CLAIMS to be on our side that is.

[RKP5637]

26. Definitely!!! Crap like he did works in favor of republicans and fractures IMO the

democratic party.

[NurseJackie]

18. It's a mistake for him to pursue this path, and for anyone to follow his lead. Things like that...

... only lead to more resentment, opening of old wounds, distrust and division. Ultimately it WEAKENS the party and TARNISHES Democrats.

Anything that divides and weakens us is something that BENEFITS THE GOP!

We've seen it in action. We know this is what happens. It's not hyperbole. It's true.

So, why would any reasonable person want to pursue (or follow) such a dangerous and self-destructive path? It makes no good sense and it serves no good purpose.

[SoCalMusicLover]

2. Oh Look...Another Chance To Bash Bernie Thread

I was getting worried. It had been a couple of days since DU attacked him.

[sunonmars]

5. What bashing, he sent the email.

[WePurrsevere]

15. Are you sure? Did you get the email too? I haven't and

this is the only source for this so far.

[RKP5637]

30. I got the email too. n/t

[WePurrsevere]

32. Thank you. Yardwork said he had gotten it earlier and that's enough for me...

You saying you got it too just adds to that and my annoyance with Bernie that he said this.

I wonder why I haven't yet. I get all of his other emails. Maybe I'm in the last batch they're sending out.

[RKP5637]

43. I got it yesterday, 7:46 PM. I was reading it, sounded good, and then that last part about

"... the most powerful special interests in the country: Wall Street, the insurance companies, the drug companies, the corporate media, the Republican Party and the establishment wing of the Democratic Party. In opposition to our efforts there will be a never-ending barrage of TV ads, editorials, political attacks and lies. ..."

That, really pissed me off. The democratic party needs to work together. That barb is irritating as hell. Divided we well might probably be conquered. And Bernie isn't going to make it by himself IMO. And I say that as a fan of Bernie.

[bettyellen]

7. If quoting him is bad..... ?

[R B Garr]

13. If someone says you are out of touch and corrupt,

they are not helping you.

[R B Garr]

10. I'm more worried about the dishonest attacks on Democrats.

Who here would want to see Democrats attacked.

[QC]

24. We can never have enough of those!!!

[brush]

29. When he bashes the party that's ok, but if he gets criticized for it that's not ok?

[brush]

42. Yep. I don't get these people. They seem to think Sanders can bash away at the party...

and not get some push back.

What world does that happen in?

[uponit7771]

33. So the email wasn't from Sanders?! ... thx in advance

[m-lekktor]

38. lol nt

[Weekend Warrior]

3. Many comments here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029399668

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. this is a duplicate i guess

[ms liberty]

8. Yea, your concern is noted. n/t

[WePurrsevere]

12. This tweet is the ONLY source I've seen so far for this...

I'm on Bernie's mailing list but if he sent this out I didn't get it.

If it's true, which until I see more proof I'm dubious that it is, I would definitely have expressed my negative opinion of it. We need to work together not this divisive crap.

If there are other reliable sources that report him saying this I'd like to know. I don't think we should jump to attack this until we know for sure it's what he said (and in proper context).

[OnDoutside]

16. Is there a way of finding out if this is true because it would be fairly reprehensible if it was ?

[WePurrsevere]

20. One of the long established members I trust just posted...

That they got the same one this morning. It's a fundraising letter but if he's going to use this tactic he's going to be hearing from me about it. I'm a Liberal and I like Bernie's policies overall but this is NOT the way to win IMO.

[OnDoutside]

23. That's really disappointing, it's like he's using the Democratic Party.

[WePurrsevere]

25. Politics is an interesting 'game'...

In this case I'd say it's mutual and will continue to be as long as the 'benefits' outweigh any 'losses' for each of them. Once the scale has tipped however all bets are off.

[OnDoutside]

48. Yes, I agree with you on that.

[RKP5637]

31. I was shocked when I read it. IMO it splits the dem party, last thing we need! n/t

[WePurrsevere]

37. I agree and am really flabbergasted by it...

This is not what is needed for us to win against Republicans.

[RKP5637]

45. Why, he stuck that last part in targeting his view of the dem establishment was totally stupid and

unproductive. When I got the email I had to read it a couple of times. It was a total WTF.

[aikoaiko]

14. I stand with Bernie. Truth to power and all that.

[R B Garr]

17. Truth to power is that it's John Conyers' bill.

Conyers is a great Democrat.

[uponit7771]

39. I stand with being helpful not needlessly destructive through unfair attacks on the DNC

[aikoaiko]

40. I suppose if you're satisfied, then so be it.

[uponit7771]

41. Of course not but I don't want to tear down what's been built by the DNC with unfair attacks on it.

Why do you see what Sanders is saying here as fair?

Thx in advance

[aikoaiko]

46. He's saying there are people in power, even in our party, who are entrenched in the status quo...

...and that to achieve single payer we'll have to challenge their reluctance to consider what is good.

[uponit7771]

50. Of course there is, that's like saying bears pee in the woods seeing we're dealing with humans...

... I don't see how that fact of there are some status quo dems are keeping the party as a whole from progressing or being progressive enough to have to attack it like he does in that memo.

[aikoaiko]

52. We will probably never agree on what constitutes motivating within-party change and what....

...is an "attack".

Some of the status quo Democrats are in leadership positions and leaders can influence the direction of the party. Hence, we should take them on if we want change.

[uponit7771]

54. ".. take them on..." doesn't mean unfairly or falsely impugn them either. Of course we're going to

... have to put then feet to the fire, that goes without saying but there's a big difference between putting their feet to the fire and placing the DNC along the same group of straight up assholes like the drug companies, insurance companies and the overtly racist and treasonous Republican party.

That's some bullshit ... that's unfair, uncalled for, false equivalence and that's not .... progressive AT ALL

[Turn CO Blue]

19. I love Bernie. I love Hillary. This constant Bernie bashing is intentionally DISRUPTIVE & DIVISIVE

Good grief, there were several episodes over the years on The West Wing that were about the establishment vs the progressives and that show was on like 20 years ago.

This will always be the case - two wings of each party pushing each other. That will NEVER change no matter what political party, no matter what nation.

[moda253]

22. He doesn't give two squirts about the different wings in the party.

He only cares about fracturing the party for his own benefit.

If he cared about the party he would join it and then we wouldn't be looking at a guy trying to take people from the democratic party.

[uponit7771]

35. So Sanders didn't send the email?! If not this is fucked up, if so what he said in the email is fuck

... fucked up.

The democratic establishment is holding firm against Benedict Donald, I take what he said as a threat ... no help

[pnwmom]

44. Bernie was bashing the core of the Democratic party. That is disruptive and divisive. n/t

[Turn CO Blue]

49. Paying 18000 dollars per year in medical premiums is disruptive TO MY VERY LIFE!

And I am sick and fucking tired of millionaires and blue-dogs repeatedly squashing any and all measures to move away from a CORRUPT and GREEDY system that enriches medical insurers. Who was the first one to kills single payer in Colorado - the Colo Dem party along with our Dem Governor and Dem Senator Bennett.

I DO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

For profit medical insurance premiums are astronomical for me (and for anyone over 50 years old) and have:
COST ME MY HOME
COST ME MY SAVINGS
COST ME MY FUTURE.

I WILL BE HOMELESS IN MY OLD AGE BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT PRICE OF MEDICAL INSURANCE.

I am paying 30% of my income for medical insurance. That is more than a mortgage in most parts of this country.

[pnwmom]

53. The Rethugs are to blame for decisions that are driving the cost of your premiums up.

Obamacare has brought them down. But I am curious. Is that one person's annual premium?

One thing they should fix in the bill is to limit premiums to 9.5% for anyone -- not just people with incomes below 400% of poverty level.

[uponit7771]

55. +1

[moda253]

21. Bernie Sanders is staring at the damn tree.

The one he carved "I love myself" on.

He can't see the forest whatsoever. He can only see his own vision.

He is going to to try his damndest to fracture and splinter off as many democrats as he possibly can to try and build his own brand and if we don't get a 1 in a million shot of Trump doing the same to the GOP we are fucked for a good long time.

Bernie Sanders cannot win anything under that type of play either which is why he had to try and run as a Democrat because he doesn't have enough viability on his own. The problem is his brand will not win any election and all of his choices for elections bare that out. He will love the fawning over him by his supporters all the while failing to realize that he has completely and totally fucked them over for the foreseeable future.

Of course there is nothing that we can do to appease him either. We have to run our party according to his wishes and his ideals or he throws a tantrum and starts slinging mud. Gee... that sounds like the guy I want running my country. In fact it rather sort of sounds like the guy that is "running" the country now. Albeit from a totally different angle of fucked-uppedness.

I think the guy has some great ideas as a senator, but he is not the guy that should be making demands on how a national party chooses its direction. He fails to understand what it means to work within a party. His followers fail to realize what the word work means. It took hard work by millions and millions of people throughout the years to beat back the crap that the GOP would have done to our citizens in this country. That is what brought about an established party. Don't like the current direction? Get involved. Don't like the policy? Work to change it from within. This anti-establishment garbage glosses over the fact that being established grants viability, and they take that for granted. Pushing the party further left is one thing so long as it comes from within the party. If not you are an antagonizer that ABSOLUTELY should be viewed with skepticism and treated as a potential threat.

[pandr32]

27. Amen!

[uponit7771]

36. This sounds like a threat and not help, what he said is in no way constructive at all.

[lapucelle]

47. Say what Senator Sanders?

Two different "establishment Democrats" have introduced two different Medicare for All bills consistently for the last 24 years. Rep Jim McDemott's HR 1200 and Rep. John Conyers' HR 675 have been introduced year after year and have frequently had wide co-sponsorship.

Rep. Conyers introduced his bill again in January of this year. It currently has 115 Democratic co-sponsors, a majority of the House Democratic caucus.

Surely Senator Sanders knows this. He even signed on as a congressman as a co-sponsor of the McDermott bill a year after it was first introduced in 1993 and issued a companion Senate version of the bill that one time in 2011-2012.

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. That doesnt play into his talking points though. And those of his pals.

[uponit7771]

56. +1, Sanders placed the DNC along the same group as Republicans, insurance cos and pharma ...

... some overtly false equivalent shit there.

At some point I think it would be fair to look at whether Sanders should be a protected pol here ... this is some bullshit ... and it comes around every 2 months and after a dem win ... I've noticed that