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Claude Taylor has a insider that says trumpy is invovled in a pedofile ring (Original Post) brettdale Aug 2017 OP
But can I get pizza ? lunasun Aug 2017 #1
In this case there was a woman who filed a lawsuit alleging that DT raped her when she was 13. pnwmom Aug 2017 #2
I believe the plaintiff dismissed the case rather than than settled it. Shrike47 Aug 2017 #3
There's no way to tell if money changed hands before she asked for it to be dismissed. nt pnwmom Aug 2017 #6
You are correct. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2017 #31
no not that one brettdale Aug 2017 #4
Claude is saying that the (former) 12 year old, Maria, is now willing to talk to a journalist. pnwmom Aug 2017 #7
OMG, I can't beleive that anyone wants to recycle the sordid tale of that claim jberryhill Aug 2017 #35
Given the reports in the Daily Beast about DTs sex/drug parties with underage models, pnwmom Aug 2017 #39
Who has made any such assumption that "DT must be innocent of all such claims" jberryhill Aug 2017 #40
Yes, I can assert that that is a possibility. pnwmom Aug 2017 #41
Ah, she settled the case secretly without telling her lawyers jberryhill Aug 2017 #43
Precisely. That's why she wouldn't tell them about getting any money, IF she did. pnwmom Aug 2017 #45
I now understand that I should use sarcasm smilies jberryhill Aug 2017 #48
I understood that you were being sarcastic. pnwmom Aug 2017 #49
Have you read up on the Elite model agency founder? Who DT also wanted to emulate? 58Sunliner Aug 2017 #30
Yup, not settled and supposedly not her, but another girl that was also assaulted Ninsianna Aug 2017 #5
After all the creepy things The MF has said and done about/with young girls (including his daughter) MLAA Aug 2017 #8
He told a child he'd date her in 10 years. ecstatic Aug 2017 #9
Im sorry I hate trumpy as much as the next guy brettdale Aug 2017 #10
Correct Awsi Dooger Aug 2017 #13
See my post below. You have no idea. Do you think it's POOR PEOPLE who traffic humans and drugs WinkyDink Aug 2017 #15
I know big picture logic Awsi Dooger Aug 2017 #18
Big picture logic when the people Dt had associated with are known/convicted sex offenders and were 58Sunliner Aug 2017 #33
Sounds just like willful ignorance Bradical79 Aug 2017 #34
You know nothing about the personal lives of men (and women) at Trump's $$$$$ level. Do not be WinkyDink Aug 2017 #14
We know that his name was in Epstein's little black book. pnwmom Aug 2017 #17
"Everyday crap" that's life in Trumpist Dumbfuck Whatthefuck?istan. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2017 #32
This is the only thing that would finally crumble his base (if proven true). yodermon Aug 2017 #55
Watch this BBC doc and tell me that intl modeling agencies aren't a cover for sex trafficking continentalop2 Aug 2017 #11
Thanks for posting this. Delphinus Aug 2017 #37
The Lolita honeypot is a KGB specialty... Raster Aug 2017 #53
Trump at the very least knows things. This subject is not a joke; rather, it is a tragic and WinkyDink Aug 2017 #12
Which of his tweets are you referring to? pnwmom Aug 2017 #16
The Daily Beast has had two long articles alleging that DT gave sex/drug parties pnwmom Aug 2017 #19
Sniffles does not do cocaine? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #27
Not back then, apparently. That was years ago. n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #42
God, he's a disgusting pig. smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #28
Is this the same story as Trump is pimping teen prostitutes out of 180 Riverside Drive? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #20
The only insider Claude Taylor has is the MineralMan Aug 2017 #21
Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeee DefenseLawyer Aug 2017 #22
I just served on a jury on this post. Coventina Aug 2017 #23
The going to Mars statement is a pretty big giveaway that OP is joking. Justice Aug 2017 #24
Agreed, but some people don't get humor. Coventina Aug 2017 #25
Wouldn't that be the reason for the alert? Bradical79 Aug 2017 #36
Except there is zero evidence for this theory mythology Aug 2017 #44
I won't believe this until... HopeAgain Aug 2017 #26
No he is not one step away. DT was quoted saying that a known serial pedophile was a good buddy. 58Sunliner Aug 2017 #29
I recommend looking at Epstein's Wiki page Not Ruth Aug 2017 #47
Setup Johnny2X2X Aug 2017 #38
Why are 80% Russian prostitutes under 17? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #46
Victims Johnny2X2X Aug 2017 #50
What happens when they turn 17? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #52
That wouldn't dissuade his demented followers. Aristus Aug 2017 #51
Given His Comments About His Daughter Me. Aug 2017 #54

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
2. In this case there was a woman who filed a lawsuit alleging that DT raped her when she was 13.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 12:45 AM
Aug 2017

And that she knew of another girl who was raped at 12.

The lawsuit was suddenly settled within days of the election -- it's not a laughing matter.

Now Taylor's source says that the former 12 year old is willing to talk to a journalist, if she's protected.

So we'll see.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
3. I believe the plaintiff dismissed the case rather than than settled it.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 12:51 AM
Aug 2017

She said she was too frightened to proceed.

brettdale

(12,384 posts)
4. no not that one
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 12:53 AM
Aug 2017

Hes saying, Trump ran a model agency and flew underage models all around the country
and they were forced to be prostitutes.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
7. Claude is saying that the (former) 12 year old, Maria, is now willing to talk to a journalist.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:03 AM
Aug 2017

She is the younger girl that the (former) 13 year old had mentioned in her lawsuit last year.

The questions about the modeling agency are a separate, though perhaps overlapping, issue.


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
35. OMG, I can't beleive that anyone wants to recycle the sordid tale of that claim
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 10:45 AM
Aug 2017

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rape-case_us_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834

Donald Trump Is Accused Of Raping A 13-Year-Old. Why Haven’t The Media Covered It?


The Daily Beast did a deep dive into the case and the people supporting the accuser in July, and came to a devastating conclusion: “Far from derailing the Trump train, Katie Johnson and her supporters seem to be in an out-of-control clown car whose wheels just came off,” wrote Brandy Zadrozny.

The Guardian and Jezebel also looked into the situation and came up with equally unfavorable takes. A writer who actually talked to Johnson came away confused about what to make of the allegations. It’s unclear if anybody has managed to speak to Tiffany Doe or Joan Doe, the two witnesses cited in the case. “Jezebel, The Guardian and The Daily Beast effectively poisoned the well on Katie’s credibility,” Baer lamented to HuffPost, accurately.

If you’re still struggling to understand why the story didn’t get more coverage, imagine for a moment that you’re a reporter thinking about spending weeks looking into it. Then go read the Daily Beast article. Still ready to go down that rabbit hole?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-rape-accusers-turn-on-each-other

Trump Rape Accusers Turn On Each Other

Chaos is erupting among the motley crew who supported a woman’s claims that Trump and billionaire pervert Jeffery Epstein raped her as a 13-year-old.


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When I had pointed out to you the numerous issues - and the factual differences - between the California proceeding and the New York one, and where you had proposed that she was popping by the mailbox of an unoccupied home occupied by squatters in order to correspond with the court, I thought you were simply being sarcastic.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
39. Given the reports in the Daily Beast about DTs sex/drug parties with underage models,
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 12:28 PM
Aug 2017

I don't know why anyone would assume DT must be innocent of all such claims.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9399619

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
40. Who has made any such assumption that "DT must be innocent of all such claims"
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:25 PM
Aug 2017

I was referring to this one, about which I had no assumptions prior to digging into the court filings on my own, making various observations of which you are aware, along with notable investigators who are certainly no friends of Trump also investigating this claim.

But you cannot simultaneously assert that (a) it was withdrawn because Lisa Bloom - not actually her attorney in the litigation anyway - said she was threatened, and (b) it must have been settled for a significant amount of money.

Wait, wait, don't tell me, part of the settlement agreement was that she would make a public statement saying she was threatened. Is that it?

No one says, "Stop what you are doing or I'll kill you" followed by "unless you'd rather have me pay you money not to kill you."

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
41. Yes, I can assert that that is a possibility.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:54 PM
Aug 2017

As in: "You have a choice. You can take this nice little settlement from us and go away. Or you can watch your family members go away. One by one by one. Which do you prefer?"

And she wouldn't necessarily have told Lisa Bloom about receiving any money -- how would that have been to her advantage? She could have told Lisa that she was just too afraid and just wanted it to be over.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
43. Ah, she settled the case secretly without telling her lawyers
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:05 PM
Aug 2017

That's brilliant.

And the lawyers who, as we all know, work on cases primarily for entertainment purposes, were perfectly happy to have invested their time in this matter without getting paid when she walked out on them.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
45. Precisely. That's why she wouldn't tell them about getting any money, IF she did.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:16 PM
Aug 2017

They wouldn't need to know about a new account in the Caymans.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
49. I understood that you were being sarcastic.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:56 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Tue Aug 1, 2017, 03:45 PM - Edit history (1)

I was pointing out that she might not have wanted to share a payoff. And with DT's history, it's likely that he'd know how to set up an account offshore.

58Sunliner

(4,398 posts)
30. Have you read up on the Elite model agency founder? Who DT also wanted to emulate?
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 10:34 AM
Aug 2017

Another abuser/rapist. His representatives in Paris were also known violent rapists. John Cassablancas. Also known as trafficking to be technical.

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
5. Yup, not settled and supposedly not her, but another girl that was also assaulted
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 12:55 AM
Aug 2017

at one of these parties that Trump attended. Then there is the Trump escorts and the "modeling" agency that Trump ran that encouraged young girls with questionable visas to attend these parties to entertain old men.

MLAA

(17,327 posts)
8. After all the creepy things The MF has said and done about/with young girls (including his daughter)
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:10 AM
Aug 2017

Why is it a bridge too far that he might have been involved in trafficking via his modeling agency that appears to have specialized in Eastern European and Russian girls?

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
9. He told a child he'd date her in 10 years.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:17 AM
Aug 2017

And then you have the inappropriate pics he took with his daughter. And then his behavior with the Boy Scouts.

This is a man who is without a conscious and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's a pedofile.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a5878445/video-donald-trump-dating-child-10-years/

brettdale

(12,384 posts)
10. Im sorry I hate trumpy as much as the next guy
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:22 AM
Aug 2017

But, hes not involved with child rape or running an international child
sex ring.

Its BS like this, that takes away from the everyday crap that he is doing.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
15. See my post below. You have no idea. Do you think it's POOR PEOPLE who traffic humans and drugs
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 03:04 AM
Aug 2017

WORLD-WIDE?!?!?

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
18. I know big picture logic
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 04:02 AM
Aug 2017

I don't care about day to day developments in politics because they mean nothing toward the likely election outcome. That is based on foundational factors.

Likewise in this case I'm not going to read an article or series of articles about human trafficking in regard to a high ranking political figure, even if he has no business being there. I post on true crime sites all the time, including today. Human trafficking is hoisted as the likelihood everywhere. It is a reality but absurdly overblown. They try to attach it to every high profile case, like Amy Billig or Tara Calico and countless others.

I'll say no every time and have so much the best of it the percentage is incalculable. Same when assigned to Donald Trump.

Backtracking obviously I care about political developments when it comes to something like saving the Affordable Care Act. I didn't mean to give the wrong impression there.

58Sunliner

(4,398 posts)
33. Big picture logic when the people Dt had associated with are known/convicted sex offenders and were
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 10:43 AM
Aug 2017

traffickers. I call your logic implausible denial on your part. Posting doesn't mean you have anything relevant to say, or two functioning brain cells.
"
I'll say no every time and have so much the best of it the percentage is incalculable. Same when assigned to Donald Trump. "
Have you been eating word salads?

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
34. Sounds just like willful ignorance
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 10:45 AM
Aug 2017

If you're not going to read about it, then don't make assertions one way or the other.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
14. You know nothing about the personal lives of men (and women) at Trump's $$$$$ level. Do not be
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 03:02 AM
Aug 2017

NAIVE.

He just intimated that unsavory events occur on beyond-legal-authorities YACHTS---said to THE BOY SCOUTS, FGS.

Models, "yacht girls," sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.....Yeah, nothing here, folks.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime--law/breaking-feds-explain-sweet-deal-for-billionaire-sex-offender-epstein/nN5WTmFcZRaRXzHZSYWtLP/

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
17. We know that his name was in Epstein's little black book.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 03:38 AM
Aug 2017

That came out in Epstein's trial for child rape. We also know that Epstein had "parties" for men involving young girls and sex.

We also know that a woman sued Trump for a rape that she said occurred at Epstein's when she was 13 -- and quietly dropped the case a few days before the election. But the lawsuit had a witness statement attached -- another woman verifying that the rape occurred.

But you are POSITIVE Trump didn't do this.

Many of us are not.

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
55. This is the only thing that would finally crumble his base (if proven true).
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 03:21 PM
Aug 2017

Mueller/Schniederman et. al. are saving this info for those swaying public opinion when the time comes.

in my opinion.

Delphinus

(11,840 posts)
37. Thanks for posting this.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 12:01 PM
Aug 2017

I just watched and was amazed by this entire process. It seems the females of this Earth are here to look beautiful in a certain way - a way that pleases those in power or those selling an image to the masses. I am sure many of these young girls think it's the only way out of a very dreary existence. My heart aches for them.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
53. The Lolita honeypot is a KGB specialty...
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 03:05 PM
Aug 2017

...dangle an underage girl (or boy) in front of someone susceptible and you've got someone on the hook for life... even if they become President of the United States.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
12. Trump at the very least knows things. This subject is not a joke; rather, it is a tragic and
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:56 AM
Aug 2017

hellish reality for too many children.

Your making light of it----FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXCUSING A SLEAZY KNOWN ACQUAINTANCE OF CONVICTED PEDOPHILE JEFFREY EPSTEIN---is not well-thought-out.

SOME CELEBRITIES ARE ACTUALLY COMBATTING THE PROBLEM.

Global star Ricky Martin, for one:
http://rickymartinfoundation.org/human-trafficking-2/

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
19. The Daily Beast has had two long articles alleging that DT gave sex/drug parties
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 04:03 AM
Aug 2017

involving cocaine and very young models.

Have you read them?

Here's one from October:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-donald-trumps-one-stop-parties-attendees-recall-cocaine-and-very-young-models

It’s not a time that Trump, who once blew up gossip reporters’ phones to dish on his own sexual exploits, real and imagined, is eager to remember now. But after I wrote for The Daily Beast earlier this year about the parties he hosted in the 1990s where “his wealthy friends, high-rollers from his Atlantic City casinos, and potential Trump condominium buyers could meet models” from second-tier agencies, several men who attended those parties at the Plaza Hotel emerged to share scandalous specifics about Trump’s presence and behavior at events where illegal drugs and young women were passed around and used.

SNIP

Trump would “go from room to room,” said the photographer, who added that “I was there to party myself. It was guys with younger girls, sex, a lot of sex, a lot of cocaine, top-shelf liquor” but no smoking. Trump didn’t approve of cigarettes.

Those men at these parties often knew each other. “It’s a small community,” the photographer says. “They exchanged information, facilitated each other. Trump was in and out. He’d wander off with a couple girls. I saw him. He was getting laid like crazy. Trump was at the heart of it. He loved the attention and in private, he was a total fucking beast.”

SNIP

Lucchesi’s recollection of the parties dovetails with the photographer’s account. “There was cocaine around. I never saw him do that. Donald Trump does not do cocaine. He’s in control of himself.”

SNIP

But did he have sex with his female party guests? “So, he’s a man with a woman,” Lucchesi says vaguely. How old were they? “A lot of girls, 14, look 24. That’s as juicy as I can get. I never asked how old they were; I just partook. I did partake in activities that would be controversial, too.”

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
20. Is this the same story as Trump is pimping teen prostitutes out of 180 Riverside Drive?
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 06:28 AM
Aug 2017

Or a newer story?

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
23. I just served on a jury on this post.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 09:32 AM
Aug 2017

I think the alerter doesn't understand that you are making fun of this idea.

Maybe you should do some editing or explaining.

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
25. Agreed, but some people don't get humor.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 09:36 AM
Aug 2017

I know I've given up on it, except in the Lounge.

But, it's just my opinion, the OP can take it or leave it.

I'm assuming at this point it has survived the jury.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
36. Wouldn't that be the reason for the alert?
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 10:53 AM
Aug 2017

It being viewed as a post being dismisive of a very serious issue.

Now, Taylor and Mensch are conspiracy theorists, but the human trafficking part isn't their creation. It's rather serious and has enough circumstantial evidence and is in line enoigh with Trump's past actions and statements to be worth exploring.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
44. Except there is zero evidence for this theory
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:07 PM
Aug 2017

Trafficking is a big issue, so why are Taylor and Mensah making things up? If they have evidence, bring it out. Otherwise they should shut up.

58Sunliner

(4,398 posts)
29. No he is not one step away. DT was quoted saying that a known serial pedophile was a good buddy.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 10:27 AM
Aug 2017

He thought nothing of the fact that Jeffrey Epstein abused girls regularly-according to multiple sources-that were younger than 14. He was convicted. Do your research please. Could very well be that DT was part of group of people, friends, he supplied victims for.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
47. I recommend looking at Epstein's Wiki page
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:26 PM
Aug 2017

He never graduated college, but he taught calculus and physics at the Dalton School (world famous, more difficult admissions than Harvard) He was a nobody that somehow made a billion dollars. And he had a LOT of celebrity pedophiles partying with him, I am guessing that he made a lot of his money as a pimp.

Johnny2X2X

(19,114 posts)
38. Setup
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 12:05 PM
Aug 2017

This is a setup so DT can claim fake news a fter it's shown to be BS.

Now the Pee Pee tapes will almost assuredly show DT involved in sex with under aged girls. It's no exaggeration to say that 80% of Russian prostitutes are under 17. If they were sending him prostitutes with the aim to film him to get leverage over him, they certainly would have sent him the youngest ones they had. So it will be no surprise if this tape comes out that the girls on it are children of 12 or 13 years old. And the Trumpsters will still defend him.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
46. Why are 80% Russian prostitutes under 17?
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:20 PM
Aug 2017

Isn't it semi legal there and in most parts of the world? Do they retire at 17? Move?

I have heard somewhat similar things about Japan, far lower percentage though, but that is because high school girls see it as a kind of adventure, in a very strict society, it is acceptable by their peers.

Johnny2X2X

(19,114 posts)
50. Victims
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:57 PM
Aug 2017

Prostitutes are victims of trafficking. Russian prostitutes are stolen from their homes, runaways, or sold into slavery. They get used and abused and have no way out, it's literal slavery for almost all of them.

There's this myth that prostitution is a victimless crime, in almost all cases it is not. And this was Putin setting Trump up, Putin is the Russian mob, the Russian mob controls much of human trafficking throughout Asia and Europe. I'm sure Putin used the youngest girls he could find, ones that had been trafficked, ones that had probably been raped and beaten into submission.

These young girls that Trump was with for his Pee Pee show were likely beaten severely for extended periods, they are likely prisoners, and they are likely very very young. That's why this tape is so devastating, it shows Trump victimizing young sex slaves.

Aristus

(66,462 posts)
51. That wouldn't dissuade his demented followers.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:59 PM
Aug 2017

They'd simply insist that pedophilia is more acceptable than sending e-mails...

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