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Trump won't resign in discrace - he has no shame
The GOP won't oust him - they haven't gotten their tax cuts yet*
His base numbers won't budge
Evangelicals will make excuses and continue their support
We've known about the tapes for so long that all the jokes have been made and the shock is worn off
Trump has been caught in so many lies that another one is no big deal
Getting it out in the open may be the best thing for Trump
*Pence will sign the tax cuts but that combined with his lack of base may condemn the party come 2018
Funtatlaguy
(10,885 posts)Where did you hear this.
I haven't seen it on any reliable mainstream source.
lame54
(35,315 posts)But I'll stand by my post
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)...if that video surfaces, it will be used to increase the credibility of everything ELSE in the dossier. If they got that right (the only part he has specifically made a point of denying, as far as I remember), then it will be that much easier for people to believe all the rest id right as well.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)All their own sins are projected on Democrats, so we're known to lie viciously and despicably at every turn. And of course they're too wise to believe anything we say.
Their election of Rump makes me believe that some of these people have been weaponized to such a degree that they really would vote for Jabba the Hut if he were presented by their party--to defeat us. They would reject all truths about him and accept only the image presented to them by their hopeful handlers.
Then there are the others we have to hope will reconnect their avowed values to their political behaviors.
trueblue2007
(17,237 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:21 PM - Edit history (1)
Christians, women, and conservatives would be horrified.
lame54
(35,315 posts)They should have been horrified by what we've seen already
Doodley
(9,119 posts)Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)If that outrageous accusation is proven to be true, then that lends validity to every other accusation out there. The humiliation of that tape would definitely change the minds of his base. No one wants to be associated with or defend that!
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)... the depravities of other Republicans. Cognitive dissonance is strong with them.
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Proud Liberal Dem
(24,436 posts)They rant all day about the supposed "perversions" of the Queer community and the horrors of Trans people using gender appropriate bathrooms and using the military as a "social experiment", but Trump literally talking about feeling entitled to sexually assault women by grabbing them by their genitals ultimately didn't matter to them. Even people like Jason Chaffetz- whom denounced those comments and initially said that he was so appalled that he couldn't vote for Trump and look his daughter in the eyes- later changed his tune (and probably voted for Trump). And apparently there were still plenty of people out there whom felt that Hillary's private e-mail server was more of a moral atrocity than any of the numerous awful things Trump has done and said in his entire lifetime. Republicans will find PLENTY of ways to justify the contents of the pee tape if it is real and is ever released to the public.
AJT
(5,240 posts)and another to see them. I think most everyone, even a lot of his base would be horrified and repulsed.
If they exist I wish they'd be released.
lame54
(35,315 posts)Then he was elected
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)That was why Mike Pence's "locker room talk" defense resonated with Republicans. They saw Trump kissing a woman at the end of it. They did not see him grab anyone by the genitals.
lame54
(35,315 posts)Because I've seen no sign of one
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)It's his supporters who do not know where it is.
lame54
(35,315 posts)jrthin
(4,837 posts)they recognize and are comfortable with his depravity. It is who they are.
trueblue2007
(17,237 posts)We Democrats have to stop being SO MEAN !!! Wash your mouth out wish soap.
I've been a Dem for more than 50 years. I'm a Christian and I am NOT MORALLY DEPRAVED.
You do not get voters to appreciate your candidate if you call them horrible names.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)who voted for Trump. I would at least use the word delusional. And I think they are also "SO MEAN." And I think some Christian leaders actually ARE MORALLY DEPRAVED, like Pat Robertson. He's a billionaire preacher, or am I wrong. That's twisted for my understanding of what Christ was about.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not trashing your religion, but you must admit it hasn't had a great record since the days of the Moral Majority.
jrthin
(4,837 posts)depraved, but the actions of those who voted for and still support THIS man suggests depravity.
Doodley
(9,119 posts)do.
Doodley
(9,119 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)There are no "pee tapes".
Sorry.
Doodley
(9,119 posts)Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)That would not do it either.
Evangelicals are horrified about abortion and homosexuality. What's a little pee pee to them?
So, he would have to say he is pro choice or be gay. Other than that, very little to curb their admiration.
Gawd is good.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)No one fucks more than Christian's. Kinky shit is their cup of tea.
Especially Christian's in small towns. They are some freaky mofos.
dembotoz
(16,826 posts)The hate being laughed at
It would be great fun
Adding links on their Facebook posts
No it would make a difference
lastlib
(23,271 posts)Becuz Benghazi! and GUNZ! and teh GAYZ!
riversedge
(70,282 posts)Orrex
(63,220 posts)brettdale
(12,383 posts)Because they think hes one of their own.
They will justify it somehow.
womanofthehills
(8,755 posts)Iowa evangelical leader suggests Trump fire Scaramucci
"Mr. President, it is time to look in the mirror, accept responsibility, apologize to the American people, and declare an end to this behavior immediately," he wrote. "While what Im urging may not be the 'Trump' brand, it is the brand of a leader. We need a leader. You must lead!"
"I suggest you lead by first washing out Mr. Scaramuccis mouth with a bar of soap," he continued. "After a thorough rinsing, strip his credentials and escort him personally off the White House grounds."
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/344502-iowa-evangelical-leader-suggests-trump-fire-scaramucci
trueblue2007
(17,237 posts)and perversions such as peeing and ranting about our African American President. I bet he was really nasty
i mean Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaastier than the billy bush tape. you know, horrible stuff.
i know Donald Rump has it in him to be just horrible. he is like one of the most perverted people in the world.
CONSERVATIVES, WOMEN, ETC WOULD BE SO UPSET. I think minority people, Catholic and evangelical people would
go nuts over awful sex stuff. They would hate his guts.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)and his base wouldn't say a thing.
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)lapfog_1
(29,219 posts)and they f'ing wouldn't care
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)TBA
(825 posts)"Trump can pee on my baby"
JDC
(10,130 posts)It's willful denial at this point
NCjack
(10,279 posts)most of the evangelical preachers have had one. It's no big deal, unless the prostitutes are replaced with ... (what ever).
Doodley
(9,119 posts)womanofthehills
(8,755 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)for the GOP base, but majority will be outraged and laughable, and "again" in the world view a total train wreck
lame54
(35,315 posts)kysrsoze
(6,022 posts)And so will the Republican Party for continuing to support him.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief, Comrade Casino, speaks volumes about what the actual republian "family values" are. Scuzzbucket City.
Too bad republicans have chosen to piss all over the core American values of honesty, cooperation, compassion, respect, and loyalty to the United States of America, not loyalty to freaking degenerate, corrupt Kremlin-backed money mobsters.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)He doesn't care if anyone sees him getting pissed on by Russian hookers, but he is terrified that people will find out he's a broke scammer.
lame54
(35,315 posts)It's him watching hookers pee on a bed that the Obama's slept in
Many think it shows what you described and will be disappointed when it doesn't
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Which is, none.
When it comes out, I will be happy to be proven wrong.
lame54
(35,315 posts)My post is based on the premise there is one
Of course i can't confirm it at this point
But you sound extremely sure it doesn't exist
womanofthehills
(8,755 posts)and it seems sex tapes are so so easy to get.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)but, I thought all of that had been debunked as dirty tricks by Fusion GPS. If there is new info, please let me know. (Haven't been following as closely as I probably should--much more concerned about the healthcare issue in Congress.)
standingtall
(2,787 posts)Just because Trump and republicans say the Steele Dossier is debunked doesn't make it so. I would say much of the Steele Dossier claims have been supported. The hooker tape does sound outlandish though.
lame54
(35,315 posts)We're through the looking glass
Norbert
(6,040 posts)will still use every excuse in the world:
-He's not a perfect man but neither was Moses.
-God wanted him to be president.
-They should quit picking on him.
-But Hillary's emails/she belongs in jail.
-Obama is a Muslim from Kenya.
-Trump won the popular vote.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,209 posts)being broke and not paying income taxes for over a decade, stiffing his vendors, raping a 13 year old ...
and the list goes on.
0rganism
(23,965 posts)if the other participants were male
sad but that's where we are now.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)lame54
(35,315 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)"The only way I can lose this election is if they find me in bed with a dead girl or a live boy"
samnsara
(17,634 posts)lame54
(35,315 posts)He'll buy her a nice necklace
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)lame54
(35,315 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)and I am not sure that's really possible anymore since she seems to enable all of his behaviors, he would have to give her something really big that she wants that she is not capable of getting for herself in order to get back in her good graces.
What that is I have no idea. I am not convinced that much of anything really matters to her.
I used to be a fan way back when but to say I am disappointed in Ivanka would be a huge understatement. I'm more disappointed in her than Donald because I had zero expectations of him.
lame54
(35,315 posts)Represented by shiny objects
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)it won't make a difference for trump or his suporters but it will sure send trump into overdrive mode and will further ridicule and destabilize our government and standing in the world. This is exactly what putin wants to achieve so I won't be surprised if the release of the tapes is imminent by kremlin via Wikileaks. Humiliting US and lowering its position in the world where its vote in UN, NATO, WTO, etc. will be severly diminished, will make Putin even more powerful on his expansion quest following dugin's plan.
Kaleva
(36,327 posts)It's down to 25% of likely voters who strongly approve of Trump's performance. That's a steady decline from the low 40% range when he first took office.
drray23
(7,637 posts)they will pray for him instead and say he redeemed himself and is forgiven. Some bullshit along these lines.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Too many here just whine and give up over things that haven't even happened. It's just contributing to disinformation and normalization.
lib-ruhl
(127 posts)Republicans have been doing it to them and enjoy it....
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)That is something the public won't swallow.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)A huge swath of Trump's support comes from the delusion that he is strong and powerful. If there is a tape that shows him being a creep that they are laughing at (them, not us) that will instantly make him look weak. If he is weak they are done with him.
lame54
(35,315 posts)Hasn't bothered them so far
He just does another rally and pretends to be tough
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Being a brash buffoon isn't weak to them. They don't care about policy, they like it when he calls people losers. Seeing his old naked ass doing something twisted would make him appear weak to them. As soon as the strongman isn't strong the authoritarians will be done with him.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)The one that got mysteriously settled?
womanofthehills
(8,755 posts)and underage girls from Russia. Last year, Mother Jones did an article about the girls barely making any money because of all the fees they were charged. They were working illegally on tourist visas.
Claude Taylor@TrueFactsStated
2 new passports that say they are older than they actually were. The girls were forced to "entertain" powerful men. Including Trump.
Former Models for Donald Trumps Agency Say They Violated Immigration Rules and Worked Illegally
But the moguls New York modeling agency, Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financial and immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trumps agency in the United States without a proper visa.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/
kairos12
(12,869 posts)ecstatic
(32,727 posts)Let the chips fall (or not fall) where they may.
Turbineguy
(37,364 posts)Their power lies in their being kept a secret. By making them public "The Dossier" has essentially thwarted using them as blackmail.
Nobody likes a blackmailer.
Doodley
(9,119 posts)but a lot of those don't have a clue what is going on. They vote Republican because that's what their family do. They think Trump is a businessman who is highly successful. They rarely watch or read the news, and if a tape came out, it would be the biggest news since his election. Trump's favorite poll, Rasmussen, puts those who strongly support Trump at only 25%. There's around 15% out there that support Trump but are not hard-line about it. They can be squeezed.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)... a) never hear about it, or b) believe it's fake.
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Doodley
(9,119 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The Repugs in congress are already unhappy with him and are worried about their 2018 re-election chances. They would force him out under threat of impeachment if something like this existed and came out. It's not his base that he has to worry about.
Doodley
(9,119 posts)legislation passed.
dawg
(10,624 posts)It's already well documented that he's a creepy buffoon with the comb-over from Hell. Anyone with any sense at all already knows the guy is a joke.
His hardcore supporters have already swallowed so much, why would a little watersports make a difference?
catbyte
(34,426 posts)as long as he says that he's asked God for forgiveness. However, his ego won't allow him to admit any wrongdoing. Interesting conundrum. Probably a staffer will steal his phone, tweet out a lame apology, then all will be forgiven. His Cult45 is so invested in him for some pathetic reason that they will forgive him anything, but that's only 30% or so of the population. It's the other 70% that has to get outraged and that just might do it.
brettdale
(12,383 posts)If there is a tape of him saying the N word on the apprentice, he would be gone the very
next day, and there must be a tape because Tom Arnold said there was.
Doesnt matter though, because Lousie Mensch and Claude Taylor are saying there
might be arrests tomorrow, well they said that around two months ago, but they
seem to be in the know.