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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 12:07 PM Jul 2017

Trump set a red line for Robert Mueller. And now Mueller has reportedly crossed it.

Bloomberg News is reporting that the Russia investigation led by special counsel Robert Mueller is zeroing in on President Trump’s business transactions.

The report quoted an anonymous source as saying that Trump’s financial ties to Russia are the focus: “FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008.” The Washington Post has not independently confirmed Bloomberg’s report.

Somebody is basically daring Trump to try to fire Mueller.

Just a day before the Bloomberg report, in an interview with the New York Times, Trump said this is precisely the thing that for him would cross a “red line” with Mueller. The Times reporters repeatedly asked what would constitute Mueller going too far, and eventually Trump agreed that probing his business and his family’s financial dealings would be a “violation.”

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Trump set a red line for Robert Mueller. And now Mueller has reportedly crossed it. (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2017 OP
I Hope Dump Does Fire Him, In a Way SDJay Jul 2017 #1
A breaking point for GOPers?? bobbieinok Jul 2017 #15
Robert Mueller is earning his Profile in Courage. Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #2
People fret that should Trump fire Mueller, we'll never get to the bottom of this. Girard442 Jul 2017 #3
Yep n2doc Jul 2017 #4
Thanks for the link Danascot Jul 2017 #12
I think you may be correct. triron Jul 2017 #5
Mueller's no dummy. He has a Plan B in case he gets fired, no doubt about that flibbitygiblets Jul 2017 #10
I'm guessing Mueller crossed that line a few weeks ago. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #6
45's sand-kicking isn't a deterrant: It's the start of his firing justification to his base. lindysalsagal Jul 2017 #21
Trump was aware of what Mueller is doing because flamingdem Jul 2017 #7
and such a well-done interview, really settled the whole thing once and for all... flibbitygiblets Jul 2017 #11
The NYT interview yesterday was a way to warn (threaten) Mueller. Justice Jul 2017 #8
Mueller crossed that line before the interview malaise Jul 2017 #9
we know tRump couldn't get loans the normal way, his rep for default and elmac Jul 2017 #13
PeeResident GallopingGhost Jul 2017 #14
I just hope Muller is keeping duplicate sets of records in undisclosed locations. SpankMe Jul 2017 #16
Good point. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2017 #20
Someone leaked what Mueller was about to announce a day ahead of time to Trump LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #17
The tie between trump and Putin has been Russian monies beachbum bob Jul 2017 #18
"Violation"? Of what? Trump's Law? louis-t Jul 2017 #19

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
1. I Hope Dump Does Fire Him, In a Way
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 12:09 PM
Jul 2017

that'd be the ultimate test for these repukes who so far are choosing Russia over their own country. It it went THAT far and they continued to act like cowards, I think that would lead to the bursting of the dam. I've said that before and been wrong, but there has to be SOME breaking point out there somewhere, doesn't there?

Girard442

(6,081 posts)
3. People fret that should Trump fire Mueller, we'll never get to the bottom of this.
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 12:11 PM
Jul 2017

If Trump fires Mueller, that's proof of impeachable offenses per se. If the House and Senate then fail to impeach and convict, that's also proof per se of a criminal conspiracy.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
4. Yep
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jul 2017

From https://lawfareblog.com/considering-trumps-legal-position-and-problems-after-new-york-times-interview

Few lawyers would say that the president helped his legal position with this interview. It may be that he only cares so much about the substance if he has concluded that he can end it all, “period,” terminating the investigation and then daring the Congress to impeach him. He would them have put the law behind him and it would be all politics. In the end, though he came close, Nixon would not go that far. As president and as “client,” Trump is different.

triron

(22,007 posts)
5. I think you may be correct.
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 12:15 PM
Jul 2017

But how is this resolved? May take people going to the streets but Americans are sheeple.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
10. Mueller's no dummy. He has a Plan B in case he gets fired, no doubt about that
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 01:27 PM
Jul 2017

I'm guessing that as a private citizen, he can take all the dirt he has on Dump to the press. Or "arrange" for someone else to do so. The results will be a shitstorm of incriminating evidence that will cause everyone (yes even Rethugs) to demand justice.

Also impeachment, then imprisonment. Done and done.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. I'm guessing Mueller crossed that line a few weeks ago.
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 12:20 PM
Jul 2017

Not like Dirty Donny's Russian mafia connections were unknown.

lindysalsagal

(20,693 posts)
21. 45's sand-kicking isn't a deterrant: It's the start of his firing justification to his base.
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 03:05 PM
Jul 2017

As long as he gives them the talking points, they'll go along with him to hell.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
7. Trump was aware of what Mueller is doing because
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 12:30 PM
Jul 2017

the media contact the Whitehouse before running a story - so the Times interview was in reaction to the knowledge of Mueller's work.

Justice

(7,188 posts)
8. The NYT interview yesterday was a way to warn (threaten) Mueller.
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 12:32 PM
Jul 2017


Threats being played out in public.
 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
13. we know tRump couldn't get loans the normal way, his rep for default and
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 01:31 PM
Jul 2017

big risks closed those doors. His failing businesses needed huge bailouts. Money laundering Deutsche Bank and the Russians were his lifeline.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
14. PeeResident
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 01:32 PM
Jul 2017

"I don't draw red lines." lmao

Somehow I think Mr. Mueller's attitude is, as the kids say, Bring it!

SpankMe

(2,958 posts)
16. I just hope Muller is keeping duplicate sets of records in undisclosed locations.
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 02:04 PM
Jul 2017

I can see Trump firing Muller and having all records gathered to date "seized in the interest of security and data integrity" for the next investigator (if there is one).

Then, while they're in their seized state, they mysteriously disappear or become altered in some way that we won't know.

At least original, unaltered docs would exist to be revealed at a later time to keep the record straight.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
20. Good point.
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 02:49 PM
Jul 2017

And I'll bet he has. I'd even bet on triplicate, with a copy in a safety deposit box somewhere. Because you're absolutely right...all records would be immediately seized. But these guys are pros...Trump is a playground bully who's in far over his head.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
17. Someone leaked what Mueller was about to announce a day ahead of time to Trump
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 02:16 PM
Jul 2017

So that Trump could 'trump' him first. That way 1. He might intimidate Mueller into at least delaying that route. and 2. failing that, Trump would be able to say..."hey, I warned him not to overstep his mandate...Now I have no choice but to fire him".

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
18. The tie between trump and Putin has been Russian monies
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 02:26 PM
Jul 2017

Trump used to bail out his business and why trump will not release his tax returns....mueller will be fired and all he'll will break lose....grab some popcorn

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