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spanone

(135,874 posts)
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:12 AM Jul 2012

Penn State Report: ‘Total disregard’ for welfare of victims

Louis Freeh, head of the independent panel investigating Pennsylvania State University's role in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal, said today the school's most senior leaders, including football coach Joe Paterno, showed "total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky's child victims."

Freeh made the statement in prepared remarks marked coincide with the release of the panel's report.

"The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized. Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley never demonstrated, through actions or words, any concern for the safety and well-being of Sandusky's victims until after Sandusky's arrest," Freeh said.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20120712_Penn_State_Report__Total_disregard_for_welfare_of_victims.html

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Penn State Report: ‘Total disregard’ for welfare of victims (Original Post) spanone Jul 2012 OP
I'm reading the report now....Freeh didn't pull any punches, it seems. msanthrope Jul 2012 #1
The Death Sentence for Penn State Football...only correct response from NCAA...nt Stuart G Jul 2012 #2
Fire the Coaches Leave the Football Program Alone erpowers Jul 2012 #17
That would work for me... MadrasT Jul 2012 #26
No. Iggo Jul 2012 #32
Not Punishing Kids erpowers Jul 2012 #37
You mean the same ADULTS who rioted when Joe Paterno was finally forced out? riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #39
Who? The football players? Iggo Jul 2012 #40
Not only should the football program be shut down, the university should be shut down too! DrewFlorida Jul 2012 #42
Good. Blame should be attached to all who covered this MineralMan Jul 2012 #3
The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children... spanone Jul 2012 #4
Indeed. To start with, they should lose their jobs. MineralMan Jul 2012 #6
it certainly appears that more men than just sandusky should be imprisoned. spanone Jul 2012 #8
Accessories after the fact to pedophilia Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #9
+10000. I agree completely. nt riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #11
I agree. A grand jury should investigate and MineralMan Jul 2012 #15
Absolutely. melissaf Jul 2012 #23
and pensions and whatever other benefits there may be nt justabob Jul 2012 #16
Oh, come on, Spanone. Everyone who's anyone knows that college football is coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #20
I believe Penn State gets funding from the Komen foundation, too! rocktivity Jul 2012 #19
Why? Because a Winning Football team trumped ALL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS AT PSU.... Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #5
ESPN says Freeh will have press conference at 10 am GreatCaesarsGhost Jul 2012 #7
Add Governor (and former PA Attorney General) Tom Corbett to that list LynneSin Jul 2012 #10
THIS! Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #30
Horrifying, despicable behavior by all. A huge effort to protect the football program and Sandusky riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #12
If ever crimes commited by... 99Forever Jul 2012 #13
Freeh live now on CNN and MSNBC maddezmom Jul 2012 #14
Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award rocktivity Jul 2012 #18
Live, from the Hallowed Halls of the Department of the Obvious . . . - n/t coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #21
The whole point was to protect the football program. Iggo Jul 2012 #22
Let the lawsuits begin. hifiguy Jul 2012 #24
damn right...think they need to be sued out of existence ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2012 #34
I don't think PSU is unique as an organization in how they reacted to this situation.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #25
Sadly I think you are right. MadrasT Jul 2012 #28
Look at what happen in the Boston Red Sox organization Johonny Jul 2012 #29
I wish there were a way to rec replies\responses as I would be coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #36
It's the natural behavior of any large organization to hifiguy Jul 2012 #38
never demonstrated, through actions or words, any concern for the safety and well-being seabeyond Jul 2012 #27
Covering Up! Who do they think they are . . ? marsh hawk Jul 2012 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Jul 2012 #33
Or U.S. politicians... polichick Jul 2012 #35
you know that unsettled feeling barbtries Jul 2012 #41
Kick. Iggo Jul 2012 #43
I was expecting more support over at the Penn State Collegian newspaper but found quite the opposite E-Z-B Jul 2012 #44
College Football "culture" is toxic. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #45

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
17. Fire the Coaches Leave the Football Program Alone
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:00 AM
Jul 2012

The main people who would be hurt by ending the Penn State football program would be the student football players. All coaches from the Paterno/Sandusky era should be forced to resign or be fired. Any school administrator(s) from that era who could have ended this situation but did not should be forced to resign or fired.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
26. That would work for me...
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:21 AM
Jul 2012

Edit to add... but maybe that isn't a painful enough "lesson" for PSU?

I am torn the more I think about it.

Iggo

(47,565 posts)
32. No.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jul 2012

They should lose that which they sought to save by covering up for the kid-fucker.

Otherwise, what's the point?

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
37. Not Punishing Kids
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:00 PM
Jul 2012

Ending the football program would mainly hurt students who did not have the ability to change the situation. If it has to go that far it would be better to put in place lifetime bans from academics and college sports for the adults involved in this case.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
39. You mean the same ADULTS who rioted when Joe Paterno was finally forced out?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jul 2012


These weren't "kids", they are adult university students.

There's a systemic rot in the entire Penn State culture right now that has permeated even the student body. What punishment do you think will be severe enough to get their attention and remind them of exactly how terrible this really was?

I'm pretty sure Penn State football players will get picked up elsewhere - they're the least of my concern really. Some other teams will snap them up asap.

Iggo

(47,565 posts)
40. Who? The football players?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:11 PM
Jul 2012

They can play somewhere else or not at all.

Sandusky's kid-fucking was covered up in order to save face for the football program.

The program's gotta go.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
42. Not only should the football program be shut down, the university should be shut down too!
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:19 PM
Jul 2012

The entire university should be shut down because of this wanton disregard for the safety of children. The school and sports programs could be phased out over a period of 4 years in order to reduce the negative effects to currently enrolled students. All officials involved with the cover up should be brought to justice.
No entity should be allowed to continue after such a history of disregard for childrens safety.

MineralMan

(146,331 posts)
3. Good. Blame should be attached to all who covered this
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:21 AM
Jul 2012

up or simply ignored what they knew about. At a minimum, the NCAA should ban Penn State from post-season play for several years. They won't, I suspect, but they should. Next, the Justice Department should investigate, and, if the allegations are correct, all federal funding should be withdrawn from Penn State.

spanone

(135,874 posts)
4. The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children...
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:25 AM
Jul 2012

how pathetic, sad and fucking sick is that statement.....

spanone

(135,874 posts)
8. it certainly appears that more men than just sandusky should be imprisoned.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:37 AM
Jul 2012

this was a conspiracy.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
20. Oh, come on, Spanone. Everyone who's anyone knows that college football is
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:07 AM
Jul 2012

way more important the the childhood victims of sexual abuse.

You'd better get with the program, as one of my old HS coaches - a real asshole - used to say.

(in case it's needed)

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
5. Why? Because a Winning Football team trumped ALL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS AT PSU....
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:25 AM
Jul 2012

Which was, ironically, the very thing Joe Pa was supposed to have kept in prospective. That WAS to be his legacy.

Shut football DOWN at PSU for at least 5-10 years.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
10. Add Governor (and former PA Attorney General) Tom Corbett to that list
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:42 AM
Jul 2012

His ass should be investigated - he was just as guilty as the other officials who knew what was happening but choose to do nothing.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
30. THIS!
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:44 AM
Jul 2012

Top of my hit list. Dude knew he was running for Governor and looked the other way for years as AG with his ONE (!) assigned investigator to this case.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
12. Horrifying, despicable behavior by all. A huge effort to protect the football program and Sandusky
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:51 AM
Jul 2012

nothing for the abused kids.

Shut the place down - they are fucked. up.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
13. If ever crimes commited by...
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:00 AM
Jul 2012

... an "academic sports" administration warranted ending it, this is it. Anything less, is a travesty of justice. Likewise, there are many who deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
18. Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:03 AM
Jul 2012

the "To Figure This Out, You Had To Do A Freaking STUDY?" category.


rocktivity

Iggo

(47,565 posts)
22. The whole point was to protect the football program.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:12 AM
Jul 2012

Fourteen years of letting Sandusky fuck children, just so they could protect the football program.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. Let the lawsuits begin.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:16 AM
Jul 2012

Penn State is in a world of hurt beyond words. IOW just where they deserve to be.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
34. damn right...think they need to be sued out of existence
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:47 AM
Jul 2012

and then raze the facilities and salt the ground...

sP

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
25. I don't think PSU is unique as an organization in how they reacted to this situation..
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:16 AM
Jul 2012

Indeed, I suspect this kind of turn a blind eye is more the rule than the exception in areas of life where money, power and particularly emotion run so high and hard.

The odds of these high ranking powerful people all being "natural" sociopaths is quite low (hopefully). No, what I think is that you have situational sociopathy where an entire organization becomes morally adrift to an astounding extent, I think it would work similarly in any similar organization with similar pressures.



MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
28. Sadly I think you are right.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:27 AM
Jul 2012

Penn State got caught in a way that couldn't be shoved under the rug. The crimes were too horrible.

Not saying all organizations are covering up the same things, but I don't think PSU is unique as a morally adrift organization.

And none of that makes it excusable in any way, of course.

Johonny

(20,888 posts)
29. Look at what happen in the Boston Red Sox organization
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:38 AM
Jul 2012

and the Catholic church. Two other high profile cases with tons of similarities to this case. The people on the bottom and the victims of the crime have their lives dramatically changed all because of corruption on the top. It's the reason many places take ethics training and places are trying to stress how organization ethics can be greatly effected by pressure from the top. See USA public and Bush torture crimes... So I agree totally.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
36. I wish there were a way to rec replies\responses as I would be
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:54 AM
Jul 2012

reccing yours emphatically.

As it is, I hope you will consider elaborating upon it and fashioning an OP around it. You might want to consider how that conspiracy of silence ('situational sociopathy') operated at Abu Ghraib. There too a lot of people in the chain of command seem to have known full well what was going down and did not do or say anything to stop torture.

At any rate, thank you for the though-provoking comment.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
38. It's the natural behavior of any large organization to
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:01 PM
Jul 2012

engage in denial and ass-covering when unpleasant or inconvenient truths come to light. Sweep it all under the carpet, pretend it doesn't exist, cover it up and it will all go away. See, e.g., the catholic church. Except it never does, at least it doesn't for anyone but financial terrorists/criminals.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
27. never demonstrated, through actions or words, any concern for the safety and well-being
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:23 AM
Jul 2012

that just says a whole hell of a lot.

Response to marsh hawk (Reply #31)

polichick

(37,152 posts)
35. Or U.S. politicians...
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:49 AM
Jul 2012

Interesting how easily people "look up to" psychopaths in high positions.

If more people recognized them for what they are, how might the world change?

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
41. you know that unsettled feeling
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:15 PM
Jul 2012

you get sometimes? something's wrong, something's being missed or forgotten or lost...these bastards must have been feeling uneasy for the past ten to fifteen years. or maybe not, maybe they just don't care. i'm reading the report but it's gonna take awhile since i'm at work and it's some 267 pages long.
it's astounding that people in such exalted and responsible positions could be so heartless and cowardly, could have their priorities so completely twisted.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
45. College Football "culture" is toxic.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:37 PM
Jul 2012

This isn't just a Penn State problem, it's a problem stemming from the corrupting puerile idiocy that is college football.

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