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Joy Reid Warns Dems: "Stop looking for converts" (Original Post) kpete Jul 2017 OP
Been saying this for a long time. This is why we dont need the alt left telling us anything Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #1
100% right. Put up a suitable candidate and get on with it. OnDoutside Jul 2017 #2
How did we let ourselves so far? DK504 Jul 2017 #3
I would like to know what percentage of those polled watch FOX News Mr. Ected Jul 2017 #4
Pretty much all Republicans do. Not sure if the Dem or Independent Trump voters do. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #13
This the elephant in the room Egnever Jul 2017 #15
We need to address this ethical disconnect, right now. Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #5
It really isn't ok. Important point. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2017 #6
But they do, apparently. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #14
I love AMJOY Gothmog Jul 2017 #7
This is like asking what % of christians believe in God leftstreet Jul 2017 #8
Propaganda Victims maxsolomon Jul 2017 #9
K&R Solly Mack Jul 2017 #10
So, if you can't convert all of them....don't even bother to try. virtualobserver Jul 2017 #11
yes, yes, yes, there is no cure for stupid elmac Jul 2017 #12
In want to know the percentage of Trump voters ThoughtCriminal Jul 2017 #16
Brilliant as usual flamingdem Jul 2017 #17
Naomi Klein on Tavis Smiley .... RestoreAmerica2020 Jul 2017 #18
I came here tonight to mention this Awsi Dooger Jul 2017 #19

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
4. I would like to know what percentage of those polled watch FOX News
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 06:59 PM
Jul 2017

Or listen to right wing talk radio. I'd like to know the frequency of their contacts with right wing media outlets.

That's the devil on the wall, hiding in plain sight. Wean them off the blatant propaganda, and maybe just maybe they return from their wayward journey.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
15. This the elephant in the room
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:01 PM
Jul 2017

We have blatant propaganda coming out of fox and am radio and have for years it is destroying our country and no one wants to talk about it.

Baitball Blogger

(46,716 posts)
5. We need to address this ethical disconnect, right now.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 07:05 PM
Jul 2017

It's not okay for Republican voters to think that treason is okay. It just isn't.

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
8. This is like asking what % of christians believe in God
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 07:33 PM
Jul 2017

(And I mean no offense to Christians or believers of any stripe)

It's just so obvious that Trump's supporters are 'believers' without evidence.

Which is fine in spiritual matters, but not in fucking government!

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
9. Propaganda Victims
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 08:21 PM
Jul 2017

It's up to them to sober up.

It's not like they're white opiate addicts or something.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
16. In want to know the percentage of Trump voters
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:44 PM
Jul 2017

who will no longer admit that they voted for Trump - even in anonymous polls.

Evidence somewhere in the raw data, but nobody talks about that. In 1964, 64% of polled voters said they voted for Kennedy, only 36% said they voted for Nixon. It was also increasingly difficult to find Nixon supporters post-watergate.


RestoreAmerica2020

(3,435 posts)
18. Naomi Klein on Tavis Smiley ....
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:04 AM
Jul 2017

Naomi Klein, journalist and author, this past week on Tavis Smiley (not sure if it was rerun) stated that 90million eligible voters DID NOT votein 2016 election; we need to focus on them; register, get to polls in 2018 and 2020. She didn't give breakdown as to party affiliation.

However, so many younger voters are opting for a third party. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the entire republican party dismantled entirely--meanness/evil/hate like that can't continue, not in a progressive America...which we know what we will be handing our children in the near future. Maybe we have had a setback but demoracy is an idea that will not be crushed.

Repubs have reached the apex of ita effectivenessn relevance...they are the oldwhitemans bigot ed party that ameri cans have no appetite for any longer, sure there is the base, but is dwindling as we speak. One can't deny birth to death ratio and not see the facts whiteamericans are at zero population. In addition to the birth/death data. This it for christian- republikkklans because younger voters aren't buying into hate and bigotry; this may well be their last hurrah --can't even repeal Obamacare; eight years of voting against it even with control of congress and executive branches, and still as of today, they are unable to repeal it, and if they do they will own it while 22 million Americrans (mostly trump and republican voters) will lose their healthcare. Hate cannot and will not stand because its foundation is based on lies told by liars for decades, centuries really.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
19. I came here tonight to mention this
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:50 AM
Jul 2017

I didn't know Joy emphasized it but I'm not surprised. She has an excellent feel for what is meaningful and what is not, unlike Rachel Maddow.

When I saw the poll results about Trump supporters not believing about Jr.'s meeting it reminded me of post-election when 52% of Republicans thought Trump won the popular vote and that number rose to 60% among non-college educated Republicans.

Nothing cynical is going to attach to that mindset. Not even close. That's partially why impeachment is a pipe dream. The conservative base will never believe anything Russia or demand the reps to act on it. They aren't going to abandon a president early in his first term.

But health care is something different. Where are all the effective commercials? I should be seeing them everywhere, like the Flo Progressive spots. We can absolutely convince and sway a vital few percent once people see GOP operative assertions about nobody dying due to lack of health care, or nobody having a constitutional right to health care. I'm sure there have been worse examples than that.

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