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Kali

(55,019 posts)
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:19 PM Jul 2012

A little while ago I had one of the saddest phone calls I have ever recieved.

I was in the feed store and there was kind of a rush for some reason so a lot of people were standing around visiting. My phone rang with a number I didn't recognize and for some strange reason I went ahead and answered. Not a normal thing for me to do inside a business like that.

It was a young man calling from our front gate (where I have my number posted) he said he was calling about someone who might have been left behind. A strange turn of phrase. He was obviously feeling awkward and finally asked almost as if he were inquiring about a lost dog, had anybody on the ranch seen a dead body.

It seems his cousin hasn't been heard from in over 2 months. He has been driving around the county trying to find the trail that the cousin was walking. The mother is panicking and wants to come across to search but where is she going to start, what can she do? He said he had called the Willcox Border Patrol but they said there hasn't been a body in this sector in over 8 months. I am so sad for this family. Can you imagine?

There are so many idiots running around on dune buggies and 4 wheelers, plus the local ranchers and other horseback travelers, constant low flying aircraft (more BP) - not to mention the other migrants passing through I would think somebody would have found any bodies by now from 2 months ago, but then some of the country is brushy and rough and the cycle of nature returns organic matter pretty quickly to the earth.

On the other hand a cell phone and a few minutes of Mexico calling is so cheap these days, if he was Ok they surely would have heard from him.

Can you imagine being the mother of this young man who tried to walk 100 miles to find work? I need to go hug my sons.

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A little while ago I had one of the saddest phone calls I have ever recieved. (Original Post) Kali Jul 2012 OP
How sad is that, my dear Kali... CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2012 #1
thanks, Peggy Kali Jul 2012 #21
I'll repeat this story the next time I hear a moron complaining about 'illegals." Gormy Cuss Jul 2012 #2
One can only hope he's gone on to somewhere farther north and is busy. But you never know. freshwest Jul 2012 #3
they put up some fliers Kali Jul 2012 #22
You're in AZ. I hope he didn't get a 1070. That's just way too sad. I'd look too. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #4
I think at this point that would actually be the best news this family could have. Kali Jul 2012 #19
Living in Arizona, I'm sure you've read Devil's Highway... a la izquierda Jul 2012 #5
this sector is a LITTLE easier - at least in terms of water and temperatures Kali Jul 2012 #20
I live near you Kali panader0 Jul 2012 #6
they never used to have to walk THIS far Kali Jul 2012 #23
I hope that this kid finds his cousin siligut Jul 2012 #7
so incredibly sad- Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #8
The problem of illegal immigration really comes down to one individual story after another. hedgehog Jul 2012 #9
This is a parent's worst nightmare. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #10
OMG!!! Odin2005 Jul 2012 #11
What's sad is some redneck could have shot him and then buried him with a tractor. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #12
eh, as far as I know there hasn't been much violence in this area Kali Jul 2012 #25
Isn't that what they always say? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #28
yeah but it is usually the family they wipe out Kali Jul 2012 #31
Still, some people are really good at crafting what they present to the world. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jul 2012 #27
Oh Kali I'm so sorry. nolabear Jul 2012 #13
11 Immigrant bodies found in train car (bodies had been in the rail car at least four months) Omaha Steve Jul 2012 #14
I won't wish death on anyone SCantiGOP Jul 2012 #15
that is so very sad. wow. no, i would not want to imagine. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #16
And maybe the 'lost' cousin doesn't want to found. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #17
today I found this taped up at the end of our road Kali Jul 2012 #18
Now, why isn't the state looking for him? Instead of flying people to HI for Obama's BC? freshwest Jul 2012 #29
I think they were. Kali Jul 2012 #32
Good and bad news, that. At least a humanitarian purpose served by BP. I'm sure there are others. freshwest Jul 2012 #33
I hope he's OK lunatica Jul 2012 #24
oy vey, oy gevalt. xchrom Jul 2012 #26
In another place and time it could be any of us... Tikki Jul 2012 #30
There's got to be some connections for the family turtlerescue1 Jul 2012 #34

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,704 posts)
1. How sad is that, my dear Kali...
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:23 PM
Jul 2012

And how fortunate that you answered.

I hope they find the cousin. I'm not hopeful that they will, though...

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
2. I'll repeat this story the next time I hear a moron complaining about 'illegals."
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:31 PM
Jul 2012

I hope for the sake of his family that they find out what happened to him soon.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
3. One can only hope he's gone on to somewhere farther north and is busy. But you never know.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:31 PM
Jul 2012

I called a friend a year or so to ask about returning some photographs of someone I cared a lot about, but had lost touch with. I thought the person would be doing well.

It was a shocking and tragic story, completely out of the realm of the future I had imagined. I was depressed for months, realizd that light had gone out of the world. I hope this story goes better for the family.

to another soul.

a la izquierda

(11,797 posts)
5. Living in Arizona, I'm sure you've read Devil's Highway...
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:52 PM
Jul 2012

by Urrea. Heartbreaking, and too common. If you haven't, I highly recommend it, with a strong stomach.
I teach a freshman seminar on immigration every once in awhile. I taught it last academic year. My students were truly floored by what migrants experience while crossing the border. It's just tragic and sad.

I hope that this young man finds his relative, or at least finds some comfort and peace. My sister disappeared from our lives for several years, and I know that my mother did not sleep well at night (she's reunited with the family now).

Kali

(55,019 posts)
20. this sector is a LITTLE easier - at least in terms of water and temperatures
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 04:54 PM
Jul 2012

still very rugged but easier than west of Tucson/Nogales

panader0

(25,816 posts)
6. I live near you Kali
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:55 PM
Jul 2012

I bought 40 acres here, shit, it's been over 30 years ago now, many illegals have walked through my property. One morning years ago I went out early and saw about a dozen people walking through, totally quiet. Two were young women with babies, held close. I helped many illegals back then, way before the Border Patrol. Water, a bit of food..............

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
10. This is a parent's worst nightmare.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:24 PM
Jul 2012

How horrible for her.

And how sadly frequent an occurrence in general.

This system is trying to force ALL of us into something like migrant status...searching from town-to-town, state-to-state, region-to-region, for some sort of work...ANY work at all...any place in life at all.

It's getting closer and closer to the time when we'll ALL be "Okies"...unless we can find the strength to be the new Tom Joads.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
12. What's sad is some redneck could have shot him and then buried him with a tractor.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:33 PM
Jul 2012

Or, as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle put it in 1892:

"Good heavens!" I cried. "Who would associate crime with these dear old homesteads?"
"They always fill me with a certain horror. It is my belief, Watson, founded upon my experience, that the lowest and vilest alleys in London do not present a more dreadful record of sin than does the smiling and beautiful countryside."
"You horrify me!"
"But the reason is very obvious. The pressure of public opinion can do in the town what the law cannot accomplish. There is no lane so vile that the scream of a tortured child, or the thud of a drunkard's blow, does not beget sympathy and indignation among the neighbours, and then the whole machinery of justice is ever so close that a word of complaint can set it going, and there is but a step between the crime and the dock. But look at these lonely houses, each in its own fields, filled for the most part with poor ignorant folk who know little of the law. Think of the deeds of hellish cruelty, the hidden wickedness which may go on, year in, year out, in such places, and none the wiser."


-- Sherlock Holmes in "The Copper Beeches"

Kali

(55,019 posts)
25. eh, as far as I know there hasn't been much violence in this area
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jul 2012

Rob Kreuntz was killed, and there have been a few bodies, but most of the violence has been robberies and kidnappings west of Tucson. (and for the most part by Mexican gangs, not rednecks)

Most of the "rednecks" around here are actually pretty decent human beings, despite their politics. I can't think of any of my neighbors who would do such a thing.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
28. Isn't that what they always say?
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:54 PM
Jul 2012

Whenever someone goes on an insane rampage the neighbors always say how the person seemed so nice and normal.

Kali

(55,019 posts)
31. yeah but it is usually the family they wipe out
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 06:08 PM
Jul 2012

I don't think this scenario is very probably in this case.

Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #12)

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
13. Oh Kali I'm so sorry.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:17 PM
Jul 2012

How many of us can even imagine? The heat alone could have killed him, not to mention so many deliberately violent people. I hope someone can help them.

Omaha Steve

(99,716 posts)
14. 11 Immigrant bodies found in train car (bodies had been in the rail car at least four months)
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:40 PM
Jul 2012

I remember this like it was yesterday.

http://columbustelegram.com/news/article_c545d487-b946-5c78-82a7-848805893d5e.html

Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2002

DENISON, Iowa (AP) - A rail car found to contain as many as 11 badly decomposed bodies was sealed and shipped to Des Moines for examination today by criminal investigators and the state medical examiner.

The bodies were found Monday afternoon by workers flipping open the lids of rail cars so they could be cleaned before loading at a grain elevator west of town, Crawford County Sheriff Tom Hogan said.

Jerry Heinauer, Iowa-Nebraska district director for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, said he was told by the Mexican consul that the rail car left Matamoros, Mexico, in June. It had been parked in Oklahoma since then, before heading to Denison, about 60 miles northeast of Omaha.

Matamoros, near McAllen, Texas, was once one of the major centers for illegal immigrants seeking to enter the United States. The increased border enforcement in the 1990s shifted many immigrants away from Matamoros and further west.

Read more: http://columbustelegram.com/news/article_c545d487-b946-5c78-82a7-848805893d5e.html#ixzz20N82f4mW

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
15. I won't wish death on anyone
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:22 AM
Jul 2012

but can't you wonder how it might change their thinking if Sheriff Joe and Jan Brewer and all those asshole border militias had to spend 2 or 3 days wandering lost in the desert? I can't understand how so many people in this country, most who claim to be ardent Christians, have absolutely no compassion for other human beings.

Kali

(55,019 posts)
18. today I found this taped up at the end of our road
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 04:49 PM
Jul 2012

and another was on the bulletin board in the post office

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
29. Now, why isn't the state looking for him? Instead of flying people to HI for Obama's BC?
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:59 PM
Jul 2012

I hope you can help organize people in your area to make law enforcement seek this young man out. I was talking to an officer who was sent to contact an elderly neighbor someone hadn't been able to raise on the phone and they were worried. It turned out she was okay but having phone trouble and didn't know it. He had made a welfare call, uniform and all.

That's what Sheriff Joe and his gang of misfits ought to be doing for the state of Arizona, not grandstanding. And the BP is flying overhead, probably looking for people. So can you guys get them to try to find him?

Kali

(55,019 posts)
32. I think they were.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 06:12 PM
Jul 2012

He said he had called BP and oddly enough back on Monday a guy that helps out around here was checking watergaps on our SE boundary when he came across a bunch of "official" types all over the place - they told him they were looking for a body. At the time we thought someone had seen one and reported it but now I think they were looking as a result of this guy's call to the BP.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
33. Good and bad news, that. At least a humanitarian purpose served by BP. I'm sure there are others.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 06:18 PM
Jul 2012

Looking for a body sounds pretty depressing, I hope that he's just taken a long ride to another area and got busy. Which does happen at times.

Tikki

(14,559 posts)
30. In another place and time it could be any of us...
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 06:04 PM
Jul 2012

I wish I could help. Sometimes I wish I was mega rich...rich enough to really help.


Tikki

turtlerescue1

(1,013 posts)
34. There's got to be some connections for the family
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 06:19 PM
Jul 2012

as leads, did he cross alone, with a group-.Mom must be crazy with grief and fear.


Hugs to her:


And what a phone call to fall into.

Hugs and prayers to the family and this cousin.



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