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struggle4progress

(118,319 posts)
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 07:04 PM Jul 2017

Russian Collusion Meeting More Suspicious

By Jonathan Chait
July 14, 2017
4:20 pm

On July 11 .. Jr., having been caught in a series of lies about his meeting .. appeared on Sean Hannity’s friendly program to insist implicitly that he had stopped lying. “That’s part of why I released all the stuff today. I wanted to get it all out there,” he said. Hannity asked, “As far as this incident is concerned, this is all of it?” Junior replied, “This is everything. This is everything.”

It wasn’t everything. The number of confirmed attendees at the meeting has continued to expand ... Meanwhile, the likelihood has grown that the meeting did in fact cover Russian hacking of Democratic emails.

Even if the meeting came to nothing, it may well have played an important role in collusion. The setup “bears all the hallmarks of a professionally planned, carefully orchestrated intelligence soft pitch designed to gauge receptivity, while leaving room for plausible deniability in case the approach is rejected,” explains Rolf Mowatt-Larssen, a former CIA counterintelligence official ...

And yet some of the information that has dribbled out over the course of the day suggests even more than this ...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/the-trump-tower-russian-meeting-gets-way-more-suspicious.html

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Russian Collusion Meeting More Suspicious (Original Post) struggle4progress Jul 2017 OP
Endless lies, crimes, treason. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #1
Brief review of Jr.s explanations struggle4progress Jul 2017 #2
Sure sounds like Russian intelligence struggle4progress Jul 2017 #3
It's actually kind of amusing to see the parade of different versions of each story. Nitram Jul 2017 #4

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
1. Endless lies, crimes, treason.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 07:06 PM
Jul 2017

If one scintilla of this occurred with any democrat, it would take all of one day to start impeachment by BOTH parties.

struggle4progress

(118,319 posts)
2. Brief review of Jr.s explanations
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 07:07 PM
Jul 2017

By Philip Bump
July 14 at 2:25 PM

... "I made a brief stop at a casino on the Las Vegas Strip. I was detained by security and, later, asked to leave. I did so" ...

"I did see my friend Rusty Ryan while I was in Las Vegas, as well as some other old acquaintances of mine. They were at the casino at the same time that I was and, I believe, misrepresented their identities to casino employees. But I left the casino with no more money than when I entered" ...

"There’s no fire here. Mr. Ocean’s time in Las Vegas was brief and largely uneventful. His ex-wife knew nothing about it" ...

"Just to lay it all out there: Along with a small group of known criminals, I did help build a replica of the vault at the Bellagio. This model was used to film a few brief videos and for The Amazing Yen to practice some acrobatic techniques. And, yes, I knew Bruiser, the bouncer at the Bellagio, but there was nothing fake about when he punched me in the eye" ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/14/a-brief-review-of-donald-trump-jr-s-explanations-of-his-meeting-with-a-russian-lawyer/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.a417e2dd284b

struggle4progress

(118,319 posts)
3. Sure sounds like Russian intelligence
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 07:10 PM
Jul 2017

By Rolf Mowatt-Larssen

... everything we know about the meeting — from whom it involved to how it was set up to how it unfolded — is in line with what intelligence analysts would expect an overture in a Russian influence operation to look like. It bears all the hallmarks of a professionally planned, carefully orchestrated intelligence soft pitch designed to gauge receptivity, while leaving room for plausible deniability in case the approach is rejected. And the Trump campaign’s willingness to take the meeting — and, more important, its failure to report the episode to U.S. authorities — may have been exactly the green light Russia was looking for to launch a more aggressive phase of intervention in the U.S. election ...

... Veselnitskaya is probably too well-connected to have independently initiated such a high-level and sensitive encounter. If she had, her use of known Trump and Kremlin associates (Aras and Emin Agalarov) to help make introductions and the suggestion, in Goldstone’s account, that she wanted to share “official documents and information” as “part of Russia and its government’s support” for Trump could have gotten her into significant trouble. Her efforts to meet Trump associates would have surely come to the attention of Russian authorities at some point, given Russian government email monitoring and other means of surveillance. The Kremlin would look harshly on someone going rogue in a manner that would surely damage ongoing Russian intelligence efforts related to the campaign.

... Veselnitskaya is far enough removed from Moscow’s halls of power to make her a good fit as an intermediary in an intelligence operation — as a “cut-out” with limited knowledge of the larger scheme and as an “access agent” sent to assess and test a high-priority target’s interest in cooperation. She may have had her own agenda going into the meeting: to lobby against the Magnitsky Act, which happens to affect some of her clients. But her agenda dovetailed with Kremlin interests — and it would have added another layer of plausible deniability. Russian intelligence practice is to co-opt such a person. News Friday that she was accompanied by Rinat Akhmetshin, a Russian-American lobbyist who is reportedly suspected of having ties to Russian intelligence (which he denies), further bolsters this reading.

... Russian intelligence presumably would not have risked passing high-value information through Veselnitskaya. As an untrained asset or co-optee — not a professional intelligence officer by any account — she would not have been entrusted with making a direct intelligence recruitment approach, including the passage of compromising information. Formalizing a relationship with the Trump campaign would be left for another day. If and when that day came, the pitch would be carried out by an experienced intelligence officer in favorable circumstances, with the right Trump associate and on friendly turf ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-jrs-russia-meeting-sure-sounds-like-a-russian-intelligence-operation/2017/07/14/5f7f3dfe-6762-11e7-9928-22d00a47778f_story.html?utm_term=.6f2924b923a8

Nitram

(22,843 posts)
4. It's actually kind of amusing to see the parade of different versions of each story.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 07:23 PM
Jul 2017

I wan't there. I was there but I didn't get anything. I got something but I didn't use it. Well, maybe I used it but everybody does it.

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