Kucinich: Trump Jr. Meeting Is a 'Bunch of Nothing'

[oberliner]

This is from Fox News:

Former congressman Dennis Kucinich doesn't see anything criminal about Donald Trump Jr.'s controversial June 2016 meeting with a Russian lawyer.

He explained that attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya claimed to have information damaging to Hillary Clinton, but it appears that she set up the meeting under false pretenses, as she really wanted to discuss a U.S. program for the adoption of Russian children.

Trump Jr. maintains that Veselnitskaya had no "opposition research" on Clinton and nothing came from the brief meeting.

"Big picture, I think this thing is a bunch of nothing," Kucinich said on "The Fox News Specialists." "I really do."

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/07/14/dennis-kucinich-donald-trump-jr-russian-lawyer-meeting-alleged-collusion-crime

When did Kucinich become a RW Fox News stooge?

[SHRED]

1. Kucinich sold out a while ago

[dhol82]

2. Ummmm - dementia setting in?

[JDC]

21. More like irrelevance.

[dhol82]

23. Good point.

[RiverStone]

22. WTF?

This would be sad as I really like Dennis, but have not heard from him for years.

I can't see why he would go on faux news and utter this b.s.??

[brush]

45. Haven't you heard? He went over to the dark side/sold out, a while ago.

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All his alleged progressive and leftist stance was all for show to get elected.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Kucinich went to the dark side a long time ago.

He was awfully popular among progressives for awhile, but I never thought he was the real deal. More recently he's proving he's as flaky as I suspected he was.

[oberliner]

4. But do you know how/why it happened?

I don't fully understand what underpinned his transition.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. I don't know that he actually changed, but that he showed his true colors.

He has taken many liberal positions that I agree with, but he has also aligned himself with the Greens and Jill Stein. In May he said that the "deep state" was trying to destroy Trump. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/05/18/kucinich_deep_state_trying_to_take_down_trump_our_country_is_under_attack_within.html

So there's that.

[nikibatts]

67. He still hates that Obama could be elected President and not him. Bigoted little man with Trumpian

instincts.

[bettyellen]

31. I think it's similar to the bitterness of the alt-left. Angry at "centrists" so fuck them?

He's not the only one, Stein, Greenwald etc...

[oberliner]

40. But Kucinich was always a Democrat

Whereas Stein and Greenwald never were.

[bettyellen]

62. I felt like he always had a libertarian or alt thing going on?

Vaguely half baked- while having seemingly good intentions? Not reliable though, something was always off to me.

[MurrayDelph]

59. I'm not sure either

but it makes me think of a very unfunny movie from 1980 called "First Family," written and directed by Buck Henry, where a throwaway line talked about a Democratic congressman who got so rich taking bribes that he became a Republican.

[riversedge]

5. Donald Jr conspired with a U.S. adversary-Russia-for information of value. That he did not get

this something of value is irrelevant.

[kacekwl]

20. He got plenty.

Why in earth would anyone believe him when he can't even get the spy count correct.

[AgadorSparticus]

49. +1,000!!!

[JI7]

6. Kucinich is the same as he has always been

[whathehell]

34. Really?

Could have fooled the rest of the world...

[iamateacher]

7. Like Flynn, he gets bitter

And turns on who he thinks betrayed him...

[ProudLib72]

8. So if some stranger on the street asks me if I want to buy some heroin

and I follow him into a dark alley with money in hand, but it turns out this guy was an undercover cop, then there is no case against me?

[mr_lebowski]

9. That depends, obviously

Are you, perchance, lucky enough to be a Wealthy Repuke?

[ProudLib72]

12. Well sir, mah name is JayBo Sessions

And I do happen to be pahticuraly fond of drugs, I do. But buying them from ah strangah makes me anxious.

[roamer65]

11. Sounds like he may have been a Russian asset.

[GulfCoast66]

13. Ironic how everyone who runs left of

And loses to 'establishment' democrats like me they spend the rest of their public life attacking the Democratic Party more than the republicans.

Seems to happen almost every time.

[Downtown Hound]

14. More vindication that I made the right choice in choosing Howard Dean over Kucinich

back in '04. Many of my super progressive friends at the time couldn't understand. They acted like I was practically supporting Bush and the Iraq War. But shit like this is why. I simply don't trust the man. Something about him has always rubbed me the wrong way. And although it was never something I could put my finger on, his behavior since then has only vindicated my position.

[WePurrsevere]

18. Word for word I felt/feel the same way.

I still like Dean and would love to see him more involved again. The party needs more like him IMO.

[obamanut2012]

25. This completely

[Tom Rinaldo]

69. In my case Clark, but I would have been honored to campaign for Dean as well.

Both Dean and Clark had solid leftist support, but also critics on the left who didn't understand how a progressive could back them. Both men had the honor and substance needed to lead. And I later swung behind Kerry without any reservations. I never could get behind Kucinich, though obviously I would have supported him over Bush at the time.

[Nitram]

15. "A bunch of nothing?" That's right, conspiring with a foreign power to steal a US election is okay..

...as long as it gets a Republican elected.

[Mr. Ected]

16. Thing is, the FOX reporting on what happened in that meeting is incomplete and highly misleading

The fact that tens of millions of Americans think that they are watching the news and instead are ingesting weaponized propaganda is the core issue that drives the demise of the USA.

I used to really like Dennis Kucinich. I feel terrible to know that the values he espoused were not genuine.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. Who?

[oberliner]

19. He has his own group here at DU

Been quiet for a long time:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1106

[Doremus]

24. I was a big fan of Dennis from his beginnings in Cleveland

He's always been about the people. He fought a hard battle to save the municipal electric plant from an army of bankers and industrialists who wanted it shuttered.

The last time he disappeared from the public eye, after his mayorship ended, he was a college professor as I recall. Later he ran for Congress and served in the 10th district for years until it was gerrymandered out of existence. While in Congress he was a staunch defender of liberal values.

I don't recall another time in his past where he went over to the dark side like this. He's had odd moments relating his experiences with UFOs and for all I know other weird stuff but I don't think he's ever NOT been a champion of the people.

All I can imagine is he's in desperate need of money to sell his soul like this.

[pnwmom]

37. He went over to the dark side when he went to Fox. And he basically refused to criticize DT

during the election, and nothing has changed that.

[Warren DeMontague]

26. Certainly not as substantial as, say, the Government's UFO coverup, right Kooch?

To think, I actually voted for that fuckin' guy in the 2008 primary.

[Sneederbunk]

27. Not sure what happened to Kucinich, but it is not good.

[FM123]

28. On a lighter note: I think a "Bunch of Nothing" would be a great nickname for the Trump family

[WinkyDink]

41. They could star in the movie "The Sound of Putin," as the singing Von Trumps. "Dough, it's dear,..."

[FM123]

53. "that brings us back to dough oh oh oh"

OK, I'll stop now 😀

[WinkyDink]

55. 😁

[MineralMan]

29. What is nothing is the value of

Kucinich's opinion. He is a flake.

[a kennedy]

30. Not sure......but he HAS BEEN BOUGHT OFF. JMHO. eom

[Squinch]

32. So we can add Kucinich's name to the "bunch of traitors."

[Caliman73]

33. Who cares?!?

What the hell Kucinich thinks. What I really want to know is what Lyndon LaRouche and James Traficant (yes I know he's dead) think. They have as much relevance and sense as Kucinich.

[whathehell]

35. A lot of people..

As this thread might suggest.

[oberliner]

38. Kucinich has his own group here on DU

And had quite a few supporters here during his past primary runs.

[Caliman73]

42. Yes. I know that he was a darling on the left for quite some time.

People change, they get desperate, they get bitter and sell their soul.

He's not out building houses for poor people or anything, just buddying up for Russia and going to bat for the Trumps. People need to let go of the past and see things and people for what they are now.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. And John Edwards had a lot of supporters at one time, too.

One of the things about being a grownup is being able to acknowledge mistakes.

[oberliner]

47. Agreed

Just saying why what Kucinich says now is potentially of interest.

[Caliman73]

57. There are always people will take interest

Whether for nostalgia, for their own grievances with the party, or whatever... there will be people who think what he has to say has some merit or interest.

Overall however, Kucinich's days of influence in the Democratic Party are over.

[Warren DeMontague]

58. I admit, I voted for him in the '08 primaries. At least, I think I did.

I was so pissed off by Bush's wars, etc. I wanted to send a message as far in the opposite direction as I could.

But even then I thought he was a bit goofy. Now, he's useless.

[spanone]

36. and the world moves by your opinion, dennis

mr. irrelevant

[WinkyDink]

39. Luckily, DK's opinion means nothing.

[Deb]

43. What a schmuck he turned out to be

and how would he know?

[LovingA2andMI]

44. When Faux News Started....

Paying his Mortgage....

[Kingofalldems]

48. Not really a good try there.

[CentralMass]

50. What a dick he turned out to be.

[greatauntoftriplets]

51. Huh???

[Starry Messenger]

52. But yet he believes in UFOs?

Ok.

[stevenleser]

54. There might be something else going on there with Kucinich. Don't forget, JPR types don't want to

believe that Trump conspired with the Russians because they have an agenda.

That agenda is that JPR types want to be able to attack Democrats and the DNC for having the temerity to vote to give the nomination to Hillary instead of Bernie. They want nothing to be able to detract from their assertion that Hillary was a terrible nominee. They can't do that if evidence shows that Trump cheated and Hillary would have won absent that cheating.

Kucinich might be approaching this from that angle.

Is he still a jerk for doing that? Yes. But the reasoning is different than attempting to appease right wing types.

[Kathy M]

60. This may be more of a reason Kucinich says some of the things he does

"Kucinich told Bill O'Reilly Monday night that a phone call to his congressional office from a foreign leader was tapped in 2011. Kucinich said he listened to the recording after leaving office in 2015."

"I cleared the discussion with House attorneys, and a member of Congress is not supposed to be listened to by the executive branch," he continued. "The director of national intelligence under President Obama was tracking my resolution, and I didn't find out until two years after I had left Congress."

Kucinich revealed in a Friday FoxNews.com column that investigative reporters from the Washington Times contacted him after obtaining the tape to verify his voice on the recording.

"When I met them at a Chinese restaurant in Washington, they played back audio of a call I had taken in my D.C. congressional office four years earlier," he told O'Reilly."

http://thehill.com/media/323846-dennis-kucinich-on-trumps-wiretap-charge-it-happened-to-me

[stevenleser]

61. It's unfortunate that he engages in distortions and mischaracterizations

This isn't complicated. Members of the Libyan government were the targets of wiretapping and spying efforts. And they should have been. When they called Kucinich, that call was picked up just like all of that Libyans other calls.

Distorting that to "Obama tapped my phone, a member of congress' phone" and then whining about it is part of the reason why his attempts to run for President went nowhere.

Some people are taken in my distortion and exaggeration, but not many. Particularly not many Democrats.

[BainsBane]

63. The DNC doesn't vote in elections

Voters do. JPR supports the Russian operation to undermine democracy because they likewise oppose democracy.

[herding cats]

56. Whatever it takes to generate his paycheck.

Just don't pretend people like Kicinich have ethics, or are driven by such. He's a fake, a con artist even. Not unlike Trump, but on the left. Yeah, they exist. Don't fool yourself into believing just because they say what you want to hear they're pure. Pay close attention with your logical mind. Vet your candidates with your logical mind, not your emotions, or your hopes and dreams.

I've learned so much in the past 13 years of my life. Many, many hard lessons, more than I care to admit. I'm not an easy con anymore like I was in my younger years. I'm well and truly woke.

[Beringia]

64. Wow that is strange

What is wrong with him. I had liked him when he ran.

[CanSocDem]

65. Chomp...chomp...chomp

The sound of DU biting off their leg to free themselves.....



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[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. He cut his teeth playing the politics of racial resentment.

He's at home now.

[nikibatts]

68. NAILED IT!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. Res ipsa loquitur

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ballot_box/2003/09/the_worst_of_dennis_kucinich.html

[dalton99a]

71. +1

[hatrack]

72. Clown . . .

Did brain-eating amoebas strike, or did this guy manage Total Turdsformation all on his own?