This fucking idiot misogynist is trying to primary Pelosi.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

I really hope he gets pummeled so hard that we can feel the rumblings of the pummeling from NYC


He calls the base of the party hillbots. Really nice not-sexist wording there guy.

Link to tweet

He's retweeting the Seth Rich conspiracist Tim Canova

Link to tweet

Watching her crush him will be absolutely wonder.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-nancy-pelosi-just-got-a-challenger-and-1493224950-htmlstory.html

[pirateshipdude]

1. Pelosi know what she is doing. The Democratic base not only respects and values her;

We vote for her.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

3. yup. i really she destroys him in a 80-20 margin or more.

[LisaM]

2. Well, that makes my blood boil!

I, too, hope she pounds him into the ground. Of course, he handily alienated every Hillary supporter in Pelosi's district, of whom I suspect there are quite a few.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. hillary won SF 55-43 in the primary.

[kimbutgar]

5. I live in San Francisco

Nancy Pelosi is respected and this guy is a joke. The people who would vote for him though can't afford to live in the city!

[phleshdef]

6. I support Pelosi 100%. But I don't find "hillbots" to be sexist.

That goes all the way back to 2008 when Clinton and Obama were running against each other. "Hillbots", "Obamabots", "Berniebros"... all the same shit, its silly and immature but its not sexist.

[Demsrule86]

56. Words like that should not be used by Democrats...

[phleshdef]

57. In 2008 and 2016, they were used by people all over this board.

I don't use those kinds of labels myself and I agree.

[Demsrule86]

73. I believe using such language could be construed as calling Democrats names,

not supporting Democrats and re-fighting the primary which is over.

[nikibatts]

7. All the grassroots in the country is really good for funding campaigns BUT grassroots do not have

the money needed nor the positions of power needed to get single payer passed. They buy-in from corporate and business men and women and the help from the so-called elites that the "progressives" disparage so often. If we don't recognize that we need all hand on board we will continue to be in the sinking GOP ship with them having the only life jackets.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

11. I don't need people in the party who try to alienate the base of the party

or spread conspiracies

[Eliot Rosewater]

8. Wait, are you fucking telling me this is a DEMOCRATIC candidate?

Just kidding, i predicted, long before anyone, that SOME so called progressives would do everything they could to elect more republicans.

Nancy can and will whip him at the polls, but in many cases when these folks primary they will cause major problems.

Personally I would like to see someone 20 times more liberal on wall street and economics than even Bernie Sanders, but right now my focus is on not dying from putin or fascists.

[Demsrule86]

74. More goodies from 'our revolution'...they are also primarying Manchin with a super liberal

candidate who would have no chance in a general and elect a GOP...you have wonder what our revolution is up to...electing Republicans perhaps?

[LanternWaste]

9. 'Hillbots', like 'SJW', is a pretty strong indicator the user is an idiot

'Hillbots', like 'SJW', is a pretty strong indicator the user is an idiot (but not a complete idiot-- just in case any incomplete idiots who use that term to advertise cleverness want to alert).

This Jaffe-wit is certainly doing his part to divide the party.

[pirateshipdude]

10. +1. Eom

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. yup

[JHan]

12. Hmm looks like I'll be donating to Nancy in the foreseeable future

[mcar]

13. What a fool

[Starry Messenger]

15. Berniecrat challenger to Pelosi claims Old White Guys unwelcome in SF politics

http://www.sfexaminer.com/berniecrat-challenger-pelosi-claims-old-white-guys-unwelcome-sf-politics/

Hard pass!

"Stephen Jaffe, 71, may not be hip to the digital lifestyle, but he’s already learned lesson No 1: Everything you post on social media can come back to bite you in the tuchas.

In October, he shared what he called a “politically incorrect” point of view on Facebook that has some supporters slapping their foreheads.

“Like everyone else, I have no control over who I am; I am an old white guy,” Jaffe wrote. Many local candidates emphasize their diversity — being all female, LGBT or of different genders and ethnicities, and they garner support from those groups, he claimed.

“But there is no Old White Guys Democratic Club in San Francisco,” Jaffe decried. “Many claim our government is controlled by old white straight men like me. But in San Francisco’s Democratic Party circles we are subtlely [sic] unwelcome because we are perceived as a politically incorrect liability.”

[La Lioness Priyanka]

17. HARD FUCKING PASS.

[NastyRiffraff]

26. If this is hard-left "progressive"

count me out.

Pelosi is going to crush him like a stepped-on cockroach.

[Starry Messenger]

33. She usually wins way over 50%--usually high 60-70%

The journalist who wrote up the story I posted is a lefty--I don't know who Jaffe thinks his constituency is, but it isn't the majority of San Francisco.

There are genuinely good progressives in San Francisco, I don't want folks to think this guy is representative.

I just don't know why he's being touted as the young new face of the Democratic Party, when he's 71? And obviously has retrograde views on race.

[NastyRiffraff]

70. He's younger than Sanders, for example

I can't understand the "young face" thing either. And I know San Francisco; there are indeed good liberal Democrats there. I don't think this guy is one of them.

[Bradical79]

69. Delusions of grandeur

They want to make a real difference, take down Republicans at the local level, and try to influence these people they claim mainstream Dems ignore. It's not as sexy as taking on the most well know Democrats, but a hell of a lot more useful.

[ismnotwasm]

16. So fucking disgusting.

[Trial_By_Fire]

18. Nothing wrong with candidate competition...right?

"Free public university. Cut military spending & export. Universal, singlepayer healthcare"
sounds good and progressive to me. Not sure what he meant by 'export'.

Naming calling, like Hillbots, BernieBros, Deplorables, etc. is never a good thing.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. LOL. ok. this guy will get shellacked by her.

[Trial_By_Fire]

21. Probably so...

Again, nothing wrong with challenging sitting elected officials...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. plenty wrong with retweeting conspiracists, calling over half the primary voters in SF hillbots

and writing marginally racist things like old white men are not welcome in politics in SF.

[Trial_By_Fire]

24. 'old white men' I would say is not racist...

And like I said, name calling like Hillbots, Berniecrats, BernieBots, deplorables, etc. is never good...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. his comment was implying that old white men are discriminated against, which is racist and sexist

and also delusional

http://www.sfexaminer.com/berniecrat-challenger-pelosi-claims-old-white-guys-unwelcome-sf-politics/

[KTM]

31. So, you think he considers everyone who voted for Clinton a "Hillbot?"

By the same logic, anyone/everyone who voted for Sanders is a Berniebro ?

Is that what you are saying ?

I wouldnt think that myself... I think there were some real die-hards on each side, but when I hear "Berniebros," although I voted for Sanders in the primary, I dont feel that that term applies to me.

[JHan]

32. care to point out....

Where in the OP it says elected officials should never be primaried?

[Trial_By_Fire]

35. Care to point out where I said that the OP said that officials should never be primaried?

[JHan]

44. Don't play cute

You said "Again, nothing wrong with challenging sitting elected officials..." Nowhere in the OP is there a complaint about elected officials being challenged, the OP is specifically about the idiocy of Pelosi's challenger.

[pirateshipdude]

29. Yes. When the point of the candidate is to cause destruction to the party that prevents

Republican powers, yes, there is something wrong. I am sorry this very basic fact misses so many in cognitive processing.

[Trial_By_Fire]

37. People are allowed to run for office...that is what Democracy is all about...

Destruction to the party - pretty far fetched....

The strong candidate will win...

[pirateshipdude]

38. No. When the purpose is to destroy, cause chaos to our party, it is ours to say no.

That is simply logical.

That is the whole purpose of some of these contenders.

[Trial_By_Fire]

41. Then *vote* no on this guy...very simple...

[pirateshipdude]

42. Right. I did not need your permission or suggestion. I pretty well get that.

As does the Democratic base, which was my original and consistent point.

[KTM]

45. Thats hyperbolic nonsense

His purpose presumably is to change the direction of the party he feels needs change. He believes voters there will support policies that he feels his opponent wont support, so he is running for office. Thats how the system works.

He says dumb things, appears to not know his electorate well, and is going to get crushed, but ascribing his motivation to a desire to "destroy/cause chaos to the party" is asinine.

[pirateshipdude]

46. Listen to the rhetoric. That is the claim, that is the action. No hyperbole. Fact. Eom

[KTM]

47. Where?

What fact can you point to that backs up your assertion this person's *goal* is to either destroy the Democratic party or cause chaos ? Other than your own attestment, where is it ? Where is the claim, the action, the rhetoric to which you refer?

The only goals I can see are "Free public university. Cut military spending & export. Universal, singlepayer healthcare."

This guy is going to get crushed, and thats fine, but I dont see the nefarious agenda you allege.

[pirateshipdude]

50. 5 decades of Sanders rhetoric, but I hate to put a lot of time and effort proving something known.

Only for it to be dismissed. The info is there.

I will leave it at that.

[KTM]

55. In other words,

You actually have nothing to back up your claims, its just more hyperbolic nonsense meant to inflame and divide. Got it.

"5 decades of Sanders rhetoric ?" This thread is about some dipshit in SF... THAT guy you said had a goal of "destroying the Democratic party." Just so we're all clear here, are you now stating that both this guy AND Senator Sanders have that goal in common ?

[pirateshipdude]

58. No. When someone spells it out for you, your "in others words" is misdirect. Eom

[KTM]

60. Spells out what?

The only thing you've delivered here is a series of ducks and dodges... you've not provided a single thing to back your original assertion; the most substantive thing you have had to say is "eom."

If you have something to spell out, by all means, DO IT. Otherwise, we can safely assume there is nothing you *can* bring to back your claim. And that's OK - one can't be asked to prove a negative, nor can one bring facts to back up obvious hyperbole.

[pirateshipdude]

64. What am I doing with this back and forth?

We all know this game. We also know the facts being politically aware as we are.

I am going to the ocean for some sea food. Have a good day.

[KTM]

68. Take your ball with you!

I know plenty of facts, and am quite politically aware, thanks. I dont see *any* that point to a desire from either of these people to destroy the party as you have asserted. I am quite conifdent that there are none, as are you I believe. The answer to your question is "Avoiding personal responsibility and trying to save face."

Enjoy the seaside break.

[Hekate]

34. Oh, there you are. I was wondering if you would show up to tell us again how NP needs primarying

[Trial_By_Fire]

40. I never said Pelosi should be primaried...

Not sure what the sarcasm thingy is all about.

Your post suggests that I said Pelosi 'needs to be primaried' again and again...Absolutely a false statement on your part.

[Hekate]

61. Tsk. I must have mistaken you for someone you were tag-teaming with in several other posts...

But you and I have chatted before.

[Trial_By_Fire]

67. Yes, we have chatted before...

I believe we agreed that there is nothing wrong with primary-ing elected officials including Dems...
Please correct me if I am wrong.

[NCTraveler]

49. They have become one of my favorites.

[KTM]

20. I dont know diddly about this guy and this race

Did I miss some other thread or discussion maybe ? Im not seeing the misogynistic bit here ? And how do you get to the statement "he calls the base of the party hillbots?" Had a tweet started "Hey Berniebros, dont read this" would it be any different ?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. from a person who need votes from Berniebros? it would be incredibly dumb

also, look at the rest of this thread. He's retweeting Tim Canova who is still talking about the Seth Rich DNC conspiracy, more than half the primary voters voted for hillary in his district (55-43), and he says things like old white men are discouraged from SF politics.

the guy is poisonous to the Democratic brand.

[KTM]

28. Didnt say the guy wasnt an idiot....

I just dont see the misogyny here and figured I missed it elsewhere, and assumed that you might point me to some other thread or article.

I think he stands about as much chance of winning as that schlep in Vermont running against Sanders, and he seems to say and do some pretty dumb things, I just dont see to what you are referring.

[Progressive dog]

27. Another pretend Democrat

who doesn't like real Democrats.

[wryter2000]

43. You nailed it

I don't live in her district, but I can send her money.

[Gothmog]

30. This guy is an idiot

[oasis]

39. I'm eager to see the level of national attention the race will attract. nt

[Hekate]

53. Follow the money. It will be nasty, because the GOP wants her dead and gone. Even in my own district

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...which doesn't produce colorful nationally recognized Congresscritters, just good Democrats, we are told will have an obscene amount of GOP money thrown into the race next year. That's not just local rumor, that's the Los Angeles Times. Our Congressman is in his first term, and already there's a lineup of 4 Republicans coming for him, including the guy who lost to him the last time.

So when I read here that Nancy Pelosi "should be primaried," and we "should be looking for new talent" and garbage like that, I truly have to wonder what their motives are. Because the GOP really wants her dead and gone.

[oasis]

59. I guess we can expect an all out anti-Pelosi crusade. Including

a bot brigade stationed hereabouts.

[Hekate]

62. Believe it

[Jim Lane]

72. I don't think the GOP wants her dead and gone. She's their cartoon villain.

For example, based on what I read about the Georgia special election, the Republicans spent millions of dollars on ads that portrayed a centrist Democrat, Jon Ossoff, as the pawn of the radical leftist Pelosi.

If by some fluke Pelosi were to lose her seat, it would take the Republicans a while to gin up the same level of demonization against her successor as Democratic leader.

The GOP knows it can't capture that seat. Given that the Member of Congress will be a Democrat, the GOP would rather it be Pelosi than an unknown.

[NCTraveler]

48. Hillbots? This is an adult. I guess I should just say it. He has the Bro vote locked down.

[Orsino]

51. Rather than getting pummeled, he seems likely to be ignored.

That would work.

[BeyondGeography]

52. Sounds almost as lame as the guy who's challenging Bernie

It's good to be an incumbent.

[Demsrule86]

54. Our Revolution at work...do not have anything to do with them.

[Blue_Tires]

63. Doesn't matter, he'll lose by 30 points

But I am interested to know why the Bernie folks had such a hard-on for a Pelosi challenger...

(I already know the reason, it was just a rhetorical question)

[DemocraticWing]

65. Jaffa has Trevor Hill's support, which is good enough for me.

"We're capitalist and that's just the way it is" Pelosi should have lost to Harry Britt in the 1980s, so I guess she's always had a problem with LGBTQ socialists like me.

http://www.newnownext.com/young-gay-and-post-capitalist-meet-the-nyu-student-who-challenged-nancy-pelosi/02/2017/

[Me.]

66. OOOOH, SCARY

"He's pretty hardcore"


Didn't anyone tell him that Bernie and his candidates don't win elections?

But the Dems just won 4, Oklahoma, no less. So I guess, boys, Nancy is going to stay.

[trueblue2007]

71. NANCY PELOSI is fantastic and this guy is deplorable.