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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:37 PM Jul 2012

Good Cop, Bad Cop

Lots of stories about the Bad Cop around here. You'd think every police officer everywhere is just looking for someone to beat up or kill. Not so many stories about the Good Cop, though. There are plenty of stories, but they're not in the news, and nobody posts about them. Here are a few, from my own experience. Maybe you know of others. Let's tell them:

Situation 1. My father-in-law took a fall, ending up on the floor in a confined space in his home's laundry room. He's a big man, and I'm the only other guy in the family. My mother-in-law called us, and we dashed over there. It's just a five-minute drive. The man was chronically ill, had lost most of the strength in his legs, and weighed around 250 lb. He was in a bad spot, and there was no way for me to get him up on his feet. He wasn't hurt, but it was impossible for one guy to get him back up. I told my mother-in-law to call 911 and explain the situation. She did, and within about three minutes a squad car pulled up, and two youngish cops knocked on the door. We showed them to the situation. After a brief discussion, and after explaining that he also had a very painful shoulder from bursitis, they came up with a plan. One went out and came back in through the garage, so he could be behind the fallen man. Together, they popped him up on his feet, basically using brute strenght. I had come around behind with a chair, through the garage and they sat him on the chair and then evaluated him to see whether paramedics were needed. They weren't. We transferred him to his wheelchair and that was that. They said, "Call anytime there's a problem." We did, and always got the help that was needed from either the cops or the paramedics. He died a couple of years later, at 87.

Situation 2. I heard a knock at my door one afternoon. When I went to the door, the two kids from across the street were on the porch. Ages about 13 and 11, both girls. I asked what was wrong, since they both looked scared. "We think there's someone in our house." They had just come home from school, and heard something that frightened them. "OK, " I said, "just sit here on the porch." I called 911, explained the situation, and they sent someone out. Within five minutes, two cars pulled up, one a canine unit. They came and asked the girls some questions about what they'd heard, and decided to go have a look. Since there was a canine unit, I explained that there was a German Shepherd dog in the house. The canine officer said that could be an issue, so I told them that if we could open the back door, I'd handle the dog. So, I grabbed a leash, we went over, they opened the door, and I leashed the dog and went across the street to my house and tied it up. I knew the dog and it liked me a lot, so there was no problem. Then, the cops brought in the canine and they went through the whole house. Turned out there was nobody there, but the cops said it looked like the dog that lived there had knocked a table over in the basement, so that's what the kids heard. They thanked me for calling them, told the girls that they had done just the right thing, and drove off.

Situation 3. At about 2 A.M. I woke up to someone pounding on my back door and yelling "Let me in!" Sounded like a drunk. So I went over near the door and yelled back, "You've got the wrong house." It happens sometimes at 2 A.M. He kept yelling and pounding on the door. Now, it was unlikely that he'd be able to make entry, since it's a solid door with a deadbolt, so I wasn't all that worried. I told him three or four more times that he had the wrong house. He persisted, so I told him I was calling the cops. He kept up the banging and drunken yelling. I called 911, but before I did, I retrieved my shotgun from the closet. I explained the situation and told the dispatcher that I had armed myself with the shotgun, but that I would secure it as soon as the patrol car arrived. Within five minutes, two cars showed up, and I secured the shotgun. The door-banging stopped. One of the cops knocked on the front door, which I opened. The other cop was there holding the drunk up. They asked if I recognized him. "Nope." So the second cop put him in one of the cars. The cop at the door asked about the shotgun. I told him that I had secured it. He said, "OK." I asked him what was going to happen to the guy. He said that they had his ID, and that they'd take him to his own house, which was a couple of blocks south of mine. "Looks like he closed the bar to me," the cop said. He hadn't done any damage, so they were taking him home.

Three situations in St. Paul, MN. Three cases where cops did what they were paid to do. My father-in-law was off the floor, two little girls weren't scared any more, and a poor asshole who was too drunk to recognize that he was at the wrong house got taken home. Good cops!

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TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
1. Acknowledging good cops is verboten on DU.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:41 PM
Jul 2012

Didn't you get the memo? All police officers are bloodthirsty fascist psychopaths taking orders directly from the 1%. Anything that acknowledges police are just like ordinary people, or that with 680,000+ police officers employed in the US you can find plenty of examples of either heroism or misbehavior, must be ignored in order to protect the narrative.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
2. Not verboten on DU - just forgotten.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:44 PM
Jul 2012

I won't play that game. Those are three stories. I could tell more stories very similar to those that I personally witnessed over my 66 years. I could tell one bad story, but there are plenty of those, and it's way outnumbered by the good stories. The Good Cop makes the news less frequently, it seems, and even if he or she does, it doesn't get posted on DU. I think that's too bad, really. Maybe I'll start posting those stories from the news. A little balance shouldn't come amiss.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
6. yeah I kinda fell into that trap myself.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:50 PM
Jul 2012

I know that most cops are good cops, and my earlier post on another thread was just me ranting, but the problem is good cops close around bad cops and give the impression of a cover-up. Also, so many dept. are militarizing their dept. with surplus military equip. which gives the wrong impression to the public.

There needs to be alot more transparency. My first thing would be to take police misconduct investigations away from the police and appoint a citizen review board and none of the members can have ANY ties to LE.
This practice of cops investigating own doesn't make any sense to me.
You can't have the fox guarding the chicken coop from the rest of the foxes.
In my 30 years with Phoenix FD, I saw alot of good cops do amazing things, I also saw over time how the attitudes of police change to a us vs. them, which, in my opinion, does nothing to foster good relations with the public.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
9. Cops, more than any other occupation must be closely monitored and kept in check.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:58 PM
Jul 2012

They have the sole monopoly on the use of force. That is a dangerous thing. It doesn't matter how many good ones their are. When cops go bad, and MANY do, it is with much greater consequence than other jobs. They ruin lives and kill people. They deserve the close scrutiny.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
11. This is a topic I have a tough time discussing on du.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 03:16 PM
Jul 2012

I have very similar feelings to your post. I don't mind at all that the negative is focused on more than the positive, due mainly to the power that they are given. I also don't like how all officers are swept up in the negative.

There must be great scrutiny of leos. There must be more outside influence and oversight of leos. Non-Government oversight.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. Cops are like everyone else. There are great ones and assholes.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:49 PM
Jul 2012

We only hear about the assholes, really. Too bad.

They're workers, union members, parents, and more. They don't deserve to be reviled in toto here. The bad ones need to be shown the door and prosecuted if they commit crimes. But not all cops are Bad Cops. In fact, most are the opposite.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
8. We hear about the assholes because they beat people, kill people and ruin lives.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:56 PM
Jul 2012

We should hear about them.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
4. Was watching a cop show yesterday
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:49 PM
Jul 2012

the real ones...the cop saved two girls from a car that was quickly going underwater. Neither of the two girls knew how to swim (they were terrified and not going to leave the car voluntarily. He risked his life, in an instant broke out the window and grabbed them both as the top of the car disappeared into the water.

He could have just as easily drowned with them had something gone wrong, yet I watched he did not hesitate in the least bit and saved two lives.

That was just a 5 minute story among many on the show, good cops DO get recognized. Some make it onto our national airwaves. So, if I have to decide who gets more exposure I would say it is the Good Guys. Of course you would never see a show where 15 cops stand around while someone dies in their custody. Who would show that?





 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
7. Oh wow! Cops actually doing their job?
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:55 PM
Jul 2012

The job they are paid to do? Three examples even! Those three cops may have done their job properly in those three situations, but who know what kind of assholes they are to minorities in poor sections of town. Who knows if they cover for their corrupt brethren or are themselves corrupt.

You'll forgive me if I don't sing the praises of cops based on your three little stories. I have spent time in prisons and jails. I have seen what cops do as a matter of routine. I have seen the cover-ups. As a whole I find them far more damaging and corrupt than a service to the neighborhood.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
14. Just wondering. With the marked
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 03:59 PM
Jul 2012

antipathy you've got for law enforcement in general it seemed logical.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
18. Understood. I wouldn't be ashamed if I had done time, nor am I at
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:02 PM
Jul 2012

all offended by the question. My unapologetic antipathy for cops does come from close observation, though.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
13. The good cops aren't the problem.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 03:40 PM
Jul 2012

They're the ones doing their jobs properly.

It is the endless cavalcade of incidents of police brutality, corruption, and thuggery that is the problem. I think there is a serious problem in our culture of policing and I think there is a serious lack of effective civilian oversight. Posting stories about good cops doesn't make those problems go away.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
15. But don't these good stories just warm the cockles of your heart?
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 03:59 PM
Jul 2012

I am in full agreement with you.

"Good stories" are pointless and muddy the waters of the true problems. It is funny that some think the "good stories" could be newsworthy.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
21. "Good stores muddy the waters" -- SPOT ON!
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:07 PM
Jul 2012

Forgive me folks, if I don't feel the need to send a hallmark card every time a cop (a) does his job according to the law, or (b) acts like a decent human being. I remember a time when (a) was an expectation of any cop, and (b) was the expectation of most decent people.

Police culture across the country has been overtaken by a culture of corruption -- that "blue wall of silence" -- that shields a lot of bad cops from the consequences of their bad actions. And to the extent that otherwise good cops remain complicit and continue participate in that culture, it rather puts a stain on their claims to "goodness." Further, the collective emotional insecurity of police officers, evidenced by their compulsive need to balance every "bad cop" story with either a "good cop" story, or a rush to proclaim the "goodness" of the "vast majority" of law enforcement officers, is precisely the thing that renders them incapable of policing their own ranks!

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
16. I would be the last to argue that there
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:01 PM
Jul 2012

aren't examples of the type of police misconduct you state - clearly, as in any human endeavor there are those who can't or won't perform their job the way we expect them too. But if you could actually quantify the enormous number of law enforcement - civilian contacts in this country each day, I think you'd agree that the number of cases of misconduct in relation to the total is really very small.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
17. I never knew a bad cop.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:02 PM
Jul 2012

Who did not also do good things between his evil.

Situation 1. My brother discovered the woman in charge of 4-H Fair concession stands was embezzling funds. He called the sheriff. Turns out she also sits on the Peer Review board for that dept. Cops come to my house while my brother is at work. My mother runs over and unlocks the door before they can break it in. They go to another door and try to break it down instead. My mother could not unlock that one because that door does not open. After knocking holes in the door, cops finally realize the door does not open. So they resort to using the door my mother had opened earlier. Inside they find a gun safe. My mother hands them the combination. They throw it away and proceed to drill the safe open.

Situation 2. Two cops show up at my door in the middle of the night to ask if the teen they had with them lived here. When I told them he did not, they told me they found him and another teenager in the backyard. The one got away, but the bike was still in my backyard. "If the other kid got away, and you walked around the block with this kid to get here, then I seriously doubt the bike is still in my backyard." "Shit!" "You can cut through my house." No bike.

Sometimes funny stuff happens on the job.

Situation 3. We come home to find a dog we were taking care of temporarily had escaped its confines and killed my (now ex-)wife's cat of 19 years. "He killed my baby," she screamed as she ran out the backdoor. Hearing that, neighbors call the cops and come running over. Police walk into the crowd of people, grab the one Black man in the crowd who is still in his CTA bus driver's uniform, cuff him and lock him in the police car. No words were exchanged except by everybody else in the crowd demanding to know what they hell they were doing.

Situation 3b. I walk into the bar at the end of the block. This is directly across from the police station. I relate the above story. Every police officer in the joint states they would have done the same thing to ensure their safety. "Because almost every nigger is a violent criminal."

Situation 4. State Police officer makes a routine traffic stop in the middle of Alfordsville, IN. Behaves like an asshole. Driver has enough, manages to get his cuffs, cuffs the cop to the outside mirror, and gives him a beating. Nobody in this uber rightwing, evangelical town of 100 people see a thing though the cop claims there were lots of witnesses.

Situation 5. Same cop. Loogootee, IN this time. Catholic and more liberal, but still pretty rightwing. Same thing happens. Again, nobody sees shit.

From everything I ever heard, this cop turned into one of the nicest cops on the force. Apparently, he just needed a couple of beatings which the "good" people ignored to get the message.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
19. Exactly.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:06 PM
Jul 2012

The stories in the OP are meaningless. It is the same as saying, "where are all the posts about when the pizza delivery guy delivered on time?!?!?!"

The stories of cops violating civil rights and the Constitution are extremely important to spread far and wide. When cops beat, steal, kill, target, etc. Light must be shined on them.I would love to never read a cop story, but cops are in positions to abuse power and do all too often.

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