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renate

(13,776 posts)
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:08 PM Jul 2012

Robert Reich's very clear explanation of LIBOR and what it means to the U.S.--from The Guardian

Most importantly, Wall Street will almost surely be implicated in the scandal. The biggest Wall Street banks – including the giants JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Bank of America – are likely to have been involved in similar manoeuvres. Barclay's couldn't have rigged the Libor without their witting involvement. The reason they'd participate in the scheme is the same reason Barclay's did – to make more money.In fact, Barclays' defence has been that every major bank was fixing Libor in the same way, and for the same reason. And Barclays is "co-operating" (giving damning evidence about other big banks) with the justice department and other regulators in order to avoid steeper penalties or criminal prosecutions, so fireworks in the US can be expected.

There are really two different Libor scandals, and both are about to hit America's shores. The first has to do with a period just before the financial crisis, around 2007, when Barclays and, presumably, other major banks submitted fake Libor rates lower than the banks' actual borrowing costs in order to disguise how much trouble they were in. This was bad enough. Had American regulators known then, they might have taken action earlier to diminish the impact of the near financial meltdown of 2008.

But the other scandal is worse, and is likely to get the blood moving even among Americans who assume they've already seen all the damage Wall Street can do. It involves a more general practice – starting around 2005 and continuing until … who knows, it might still be going on – to rig the Libor in whatever way necessary to assure the banks' bets on derivatives would be profitable. This is insider trading on a gigantic scale. It makes the bankers winners and the rest of us – whose money they've used to make their bets – losers and chumps.

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It would amount to a rip-off of almost cosmic proportions – trillions of dollars that average people would otherwise have received or saved on their lending and borrowing that have been going to the bankers instead.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/08/american-libor-banking-scandal-us

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Robert Reich's very clear explanation of LIBOR and what it means to the U.S.--from The Guardian (Original Post) renate Jul 2012 OP
Thank you! hedgehog Jul 2012 #1
One good article deserves another: hedgehog Jul 2012 #2
that THUNK was the sound of my jaw hitting the floor. I am gobsmacked renate Jul 2012 #6
The article you've posted is better by far dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #8
I've been trying to follow these, hampered by the problem that hedgehog Jul 2012 #10
What I fail to undestand dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #13
Dude, who peed in your Cheerios? hedgehog Jul 2012 #12
Short answer: If the scandal causes a market crash, we'll have to bail them out again. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #3
Won't happen. During the period of alleged manipulation in 2008 bank earnings banned from Kos Jul 2012 #4
Got a link for any of that, banned from Kos? Octafish Jul 2012 #7
Glass-S was antiquated and worthless by 1999. banned from Kos Jul 2012 #9
Glass Steagall kept the U.S. taxpayers off the hook from the Banksters' venality. Octafish Jul 2012 #11
...and they all walk away laughing at us poor chumps. RagAss Jul 2012 #5
Thank heavens for Integrity. Octafish Jul 2012 #14

renate

(13,776 posts)
6. that THUNK was the sound of my jaw hitting the floor. I am gobsmacked
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
Jul 2012

"In the rapidly spreading scandal of LIBOR (the London inter-bank offered rate) it is the very everydayness with which bank traders set about manipulating the most important figure in finance. They joked, or offered small favours. “Coffees will be coming your way,” promised one trader in exchange for a fiddled number. “Dude. I owe you big time!… I’m opening a bottle of Bollinger,” wrote another. One trader posted diary notes to himself so that he wouldn’t forget to fiddle the numbers the next week. “Ask for High 6M Fix,” he entered in his calendar, as he might have put “Buy milk”."

They were asking billion-dollar favors as if they were asking a buddy to help them move... and these few people had their thumbs on the scales of hundreds of millions of people's lives!

I am just stunned. Thank you for that EXCELLENT article. The more I read about this, the less abstruse, less complicated, and less theoretical this racketeering seems to be. I heard an expert on NPR the other day say with absolute confidence that people WILL go to prison for this.

P.S. I love your sweet hedgehog picture!

Edited to add: I was so amazed by that entire article that one sentence above didn't quite sink in right away: "Coffees will be coming your way." The entire world economy could be influenced by someone buying someone else a coffee? It really is a game to them, isn't it? It's as if the rest of us simply do not exist in their eyes.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
8. The article you've posted is better by far
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:22 PM
Jul 2012

aided by the fact you didn't fall into the trap of changing the headline as your header. The OP's headline was rendered meaningless by the use of poor english construction.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
10. I've been trying to follow these, hampered by the problem that
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:30 PM
Jul 2012

my eyes glaze over when finance is the subject. (Sad to say, I've yet to remain conscious through to the end of the explanation of what "term life insurance" is.

What boggles my mind is the growing impression that certain people are more or less allowed to print their own money at the expense of the rest of us!

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
13. What I fail to undestand
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:52 PM
Jul 2012

is why, given this was issue known May 2008, it has been kept under wraps for 3 years by both our governments. The WSJ made the subject public then only for it to disappear into obscurity until now.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
3. Short answer: If the scandal causes a market crash, we'll have to bail them out again.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:10 PM
Jul 2012

That which gets rewarded gets repeated.

 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
4. Won't happen. During the period of alleged manipulation in 2008 bank earnings
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jul 2012

were non-existent. Losses were huge.

US banks are solidly profitable now and will weather the remainder of the Mortgage Disaster.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. Got a link for any of that, banned from Kos?
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:21 PM
Jul 2012

Or do you still peddle the idea that repealing the Glass Steagal Act had nothing to do with the meltdown of 2007-08?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002590367

 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
9. Glass-S was antiquated and worthless by 1999.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:24 PM
Jul 2012

Lehman, Bear, Merrill and others never wanted to be in deposit banking thus were unaffected by old G-S.

You can protest much but it is the truth.

WaMu, IndyMac, and Countrywide were not affected either. Neither was Fannie and Freddie. Whining about G-S is for losers.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Glass Steagall kept the U.S. taxpayers off the hook from the Banksters' venality.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
Jul 2012
Who do you think bailed out Wall Street?

13 Bankers: The American Oligarchs And The Systemically Dangerous Institutions (SDIs) They Rule

EXCERPT...

We demonstrated during the reregulatory phase of the S&L debacle that regulators that understand accounting control fraud can identify and close the frauds before they cause catastrophic failures, but Geithner and Summers cannot even bring themselves to use the "f word" -- fraud -- much less identify, constrain, and prosecute it.

Furthermore, why do you side with pro-Gramm-Leach-Bliley crowd instead of the pro-Glass-Steagall, banned from Kos?

RagAss

(13,832 posts)
5. ...and they all walk away laughing at us poor chumps.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:17 PM
Jul 2012

And their children will have a better life and our children will not. You see, they are better than us. They deserve to prosper and we deserve to fade away like the pieces of shit that we are.

Had enough yet ?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
14. Thank heavens for Integrity.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jul 2012

...and Dr. Reich. He raises questions that more than a few Banksters will have to answer.

An honest socialist brings some wood for the fire:



Allegations of government collusion in Libor fixing raised in UK Parliament

By Christopher Marsden
6 July 2012

The declaration by chairman Andrew Tyrie that some of what Barclays chief executive Bob Diamond said in testimony Wednesday to the parliamentary Treasury Committee seemed “implausible” ranks as a masterpiece of understatement.

Diamond was answering before MPs on accusations of organized rigging of the Libor rate by his employees and those of 16 other major banks. Barclays was fined a record £290 million by regulators in Britain and the US last week for manipulating the Libor.

SNIP...

In any event, there is a mass of evidence, including letters and email exchanges, demonstrating knowledge of Libor manipulation by Barclays and other banks as a matter of routine from as early as 2005, which was brought to the attention of both the BBA and FSA on numerous occasions.

SNIP...

Diamond also named Lady Shriti Vadera during his testimony, an economist who advised Gordon Brown and was then made a minister. She has denied authoring a Treasury note entitled Reducing Libor, and having “a conversation with Paul Tucker about Libor”.

SNIP...

In a measure of the mounting economic crisis that underlies the Libor scandal, yesterday saw the Bank of England make available another £50 billion quantitative easing package—bringing the total so far to £375 billion.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jul2012/libo-j06.shtml



Anyone doubt that similar arrangements were in play on this side of the Atlantic between The Fed and its faves in Congreff and Wall Streef?

Let's add more fuel, DU. It's the "Mehr Licht" another man with integrity spoke of with his last breath.

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