Fox brainwash watch: Charlie Gard is what happens with single-payer health care...euthanasia

[lostnfound]

Fox just told the story of Charlie Gard in the framing of "this is the consequence of having single payer" -- the government makes the decisions and appoints a guardian for your baby who makes all the decisions, and decides if the baby should die, they call it "a duty to die" and cost cutting is what underlies all of a government run healthcare system.

Their viewership must be just dumb as fenceposts.

That was my five minute excursion into the dark underworld. Made it out alive. Ick. Time for a nice hot shower and a drink.

[VMA131Marine]

1. The irony is that Charlie's parents would have been bankrupted...

by the system that the GOP wants.

[anneboleyn]

4. Yep -- I posted the issue of for-profit private health insurance.

[Skittles]

2. WTF

repukes DON'T APPROVE OF BIRTH CONTROL and they DON'T APPROVE OF HEALTH INSURANCE - WHAT IS THEIR FUCKING PROBLEM?

[anneboleyn]

3. Because, you know, health insurance companies NEVER deny coverage or tell a patient that

certain procedures won't be covered...the Fox viewers who don't stop for the two seconds it would take to realize that if they aren't on Medicaid or Medicare then a private for-profit company is deciding all of their healthcare decisions just amaze me (and many companies have policies of denying initial requests for imaging procedures, etc so that doctors and patients have to apply multiple times for coverage).

But you know in Fox world only the evil imaginary "gov healthcare" does that as private companies freely and endlessly fund all healthcare procedures out of their goodwill.

[Warpy]

5. I guess no one is ever TERMINAL in Pox World.

You'd think they'd be picking their victims a little more carefully. Terri Schiavo's brain was gone. So is this kid's. That's the bottom line. What made them human beings was no longer functional. There was no chance for improvement, no matter how much of a nation's wealth was pushed their way or how many religious hysterics howled and spoke in tongues. Just not gonna happen, folks.

This is why we have licensing requirements for health care. It's complicated and you can't do it without knowing exactly what you're doing. The average bozo in Pox Land can't read an MRI or EEG and doesn't know squat about autosomal recessive congenital illness. It's far, far beyond their understanding so they can't be expected to issue policy about any of it.

The problem is that the more ignorant a person is of any specialty (and I'm certainly guilty now and then), the more vehement the incorrect position becomes and the more defensive the person gets when contradicted by facts.

Charlie Gard will be off the ventilator because that part of him that could see, hear, move, and react to his surroundings is dead and the rest of his body needs to follow. It has nothing to do with socialized health care. It has everything to do with distraught parents contacting the media in a futile attempt to keep him technically alive and possibly in pain when all hope is gone.

Socialized medicine is what will keep his parents from going bankrupt over his care so far.

[lostnfound]

9. Supposedly the crowdfunding is enough to pay for it but government is prohibitign it

I don't know if that's accurate, I was more interested in how blatantly FOX was spinning it for politician reasons

[csziggy]

6. They should take that up with Stephen Hawkings

Stephen Hawking: I would not be alive without the NHS
Professor Stephen Hawking defended the National Health Service from attacks by the American Right, claiming that he would not be alive without it.



By Damien McElroy

7:29PM BST 12 Aug 2009

The British physisist spoke out after Republican politicians lambasted the NHS as "evil" in their effort to stop President Barack Obama's reforms of US health care which will widen availability of treatment but at a cost to higher earners who will pay higher insurance premiums.

"I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS," he said. "I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived."

Prof Hawking, who has had Lou Gehrig's disease for 40 years, was in Washington to be awarded the America's highest civilian honour, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

He received emergency treatment in April at Addenbrooke's hospital in Cambridge. An American newspaper subsequently used Prof Hawking as an example of the deficiencies of the NHS. "People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless," it claimed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6017878/Stephen-Hawking-I-would-not-be-alive-without-the-NHS.html
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[lostnfound]

8. Good point. Nt

[sinkingfeeling]

7. No, he's the result of both parents carrying a faulty gene. Must be the

fault of that being in the sky.

He's such a sweet looking little baby and I feel sorry that his family will have to loose him. But there are tens of thousands of people with terminal diseases. Will Trumpcare save any of them?

[malaise]

10. Send them this

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8225637/ns/us_news/t/schiavo-autopsyshows-irreversiblebrain-damage/
— An autopsy on Terri Schiavo backed her husband’s contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state, finding that she had massive and irreversible brain damage and was blind, the medical examiner’s office said Wednesday. It also found no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused.

But what caused her collapse 15 years ago remained a mystery.

The autopsy and post-mortem investigation found no proof that she had an eating disorder, as was suspected at the time, Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Jon Thogmartin said.

Autopsy results on the 41-year-old brain-damaged woman were made public Wednesday, more than two months after her death on March 31 ended a right-to-die battle between her husband and parents that engulfed the courts, Congress and the White House and divided the country.

Schiavo's husband, Michael, said his wife never would have wanted to be kept alive in what court-appointed doctors concluded was a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery. Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, doubted she had any such end-of-life wishes and disputed that she was in a vegetative state.

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The vast majority of doctors are rational and base their comments on fact based evidence. They won't say someone is brain dead unless they are. I understand the parents emotional stress - they too will eventually get the post mortem results.
Politicizing this is as sick as the Bush led madness around Terri Schiabo.

[Crunchy Frog]

11. I guess nobody remembers this incident.

https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Texas_baby_removed_from_life_support_against_mother%27s_wishes

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Baby-dies-after-hospital-removes-breathing-tube-1926032.php

It's what happens when you're not useful as a political football.