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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow is it that such an incompetent Party controls all the branches of government?
And they do not know how to govern in any of them.
How could the American people be hoodwinked to such a degree?
Will we ever rid ourselves of these dangerous, incompetent politicians?
dalton99a
(81,488 posts)CurtEastPoint
(18,644 posts)GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)Is the reach of Fox News. In a recent NYT article, they discuss the fact that Fox News viewers will believe anything they see on Fox News. No Republican politician is able to survive Fox turning against them.
It also seems that Fox plays along well with Putin's plans. The question is it is deliberate or coincidental.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)all are correctable by each one of us being involved in the process.
conservatives win because they know how to win....
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Response to kentuck (Original post)
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)(a) allows 8% of the American people can elect 50% of the Senate.
(b) allows the electoral college to override the collective will of the people as expressed in the national popular vote.
(c) allows members of the House to be elected in highly gerrymandered districts.
(d) states to erect barriers to broad participation.
(e) fails to foster an ethos of broad participation
(f) monied interests to dominate politics.
Should I go on?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)We are now owned by Putin and friends.
BTW, if you own land, you dont really own it.
What the idiots will soon find out is the ONLY thing that maintains their ownership is our INSTITUTIONS which Trump, Bannon and Putin are on record saying they want to dismantle.
So your land is gone, whether you can live in your home built on your land will depend on if you are going to have to double up, triple up with neighbors.
This is what is ACTUALLY going to happen, now, because of 3rd party voters and idiot rednecks.
Oh, and SS, Medicare?
mitch96
(13,904 posts)In this last election less than 25% of the people in this country voted in this asshole.... Besides all the other shenanigans going on.. Obama had a large turnout. This time? not so much.
Drives me nutz...
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lunamagica
(9,967 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)if you haven't. Again if you have.
It's become too accurate to be funny.
Aristus
(66,369 posts)I was in a depression for days after watching it...
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)"President Barack Obama on Monday offered one of the most blunt assessments of the Democratic party's failure to win the White House in 2016, arguing that the party needs to reframe its debates for suburban and rural voters.
In an interview on NPR posted Monday morning, the outgoing president chalked up Hillary Clinton's popular vote win, but failure to woo voters in more rural states like Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan, to structural hurdles based on where Democrats live, as well as the party's failure to frame the debate for voters.
"We have a scrambled political landscape right now. There are some things that we know are a challenge for Democrats - structural problems. For example, population distribution, oftentimes younger voters, minority voters, Democratic voters, are clustered in urban areas," Obama said.
The president continued: "As a consequence, you've got a situation where there are not only entire states but also big chunks of states where, if we're not showing up, if we're not in there making an argument, then we're going to lose. And we can lose badly, and that's what happened in this election."
While he denied that there was anything wrong with the "core argument" of the Democratic message around issues like raising the minimum wage, he admitted that there were "failures on our part to give people in rural areas or in exurban areas, a sense day-to-day that we're fighting for them or connected to them." "
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)Actually, six years late.
New Congressional districts will be set soon & if this is the condition of our state governments, the dems will lose the House for another decade.
certainot
(9,090 posts)and while most liberals are on computer most of 40 states with 80 senators is dominated by the fake news buzz of 1000 radio stations.
worse than that we let 88 major universities broadcast sports on and basically endorse the global warming denial, racism, sexism, anti- public ed propaganda, and trump excuses on 257 limbaugh stations.
that is why. and dems don't even poll for it.
money, GOTV, voter suppression, appeal to 'white working class' are all symptoms of continuing to give the republican right a free speech free ride to blast the country with coordinated lying and swiftboating in what putin would call a classic military style psyops.
see below.
certainot
(9,090 posts)this country has been awash in fake news from 1000 coordinated radio stations. it has a hugeinfluence on the MSM media which are much less effective as propaganda operations because they are still somewht democratic with alternatives. in most part of the us there are no free easy alts for politics than this:
at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 5 = $75,000/wk x 1200 stations rw talk radio is worth $18MIL/day or 390MIL$ /month or 4.68 BIL$/ year FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican free market deregulation and wall st think tank propaganda, swiftboating, and the hate and fear used to get people to vote republican.
trump studied it before his campaign. putins best trolling piggybacked it. but dems dont poll for it and it gets a free speech free ride from those it attacks.
the planet cant wait for liberal billionaires to buy radio stations. its too late to compete and ineffective anyway, as they have a 95% monopoly and they protect it.
to start, dems have to poll trump support for it too much analysis ignores the fact that this is actually the talk radio president and most of putins trolling piggybacked it. maybe when it shows as the closest association outside of white. as long as limbaugh and sons continue to make excuses for trump he will keep a lot of the base, the real base.
monitor it should be easier to automate that now so people can search and study the patterns and repetition. if all of a sudden theres a spike in, say the word iran or mueller deep state etc, it probably means something. knowing about it before it becomes reality means not always having to play catch up
credit it trump needs a RUSH tattoo on his forehead, as do all republican pols and media hacks they all ride the talk radio bandwagon and feed from the daily smorgasbord of talking points and excuses. preface answers to republican media hacks and politicians with thats what limbaugh says but...
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investigate it how long has putin been using it? trump studied it - who told him that was a good idea? did they find a way to feed limbaugh and coordinate with him and others? are any of them being paid freelance money? exposing the talk radio gods as tools, especially russian tools, would help.
thank all local businesses that advertise on RW radio stations thank them for trump, trumpcare, global warming, privatization of public education, voter suppression, deregulation, tax breaks for billionaires, etc. its easy and fun to listen to a few minutes here and there and get a few email addresses for thank-you notes that can get to the boss/owners.
include the radio stations in any progressive protest they may be better places to protest than capitols republicans will notice.
to combine a few of those, push the 88 universities that endorse 257 limbaugh stations to stop crapping on their mission statements and start looking for apolitical alternatives to broadcast sports on maybe their political science faculties and students can start studying the most dominant political factor in the US the last 30 years.
and these 88 universities are good places to protest global warming, Trump, everything

heaven05
(18,124 posts)racist cultural core group that did vote...voila!!!!! A racist, idiot cretin as potus. And please do not forget ALL MSM media played up this cretins campaign for potus as something positive because the racists disguised their hate with words like WHITE race economic anxiety ect and covered for the racism and sexism of the man/child himself in his run for the office he has diminished so horribly.
Amerikan racists has always been waiting for the left to slip up so horribly....and here we are. At the base of a mountain, in a valley so deep that we finally realize we got to start climbing before america is the white supremacist haven that bannon, miller, alec jones et al. desire and is lost to the rest of us forever. And we will only, as the left wing political group of a seriously fractured culture, have ourselves to blame if we end up in camps, deported or shot down like is happening with more regularity of AA now, it seems..
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)How did democrats lose in 2016? Let us count the ways
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/opinion/guest-columnists/how-did-democrats-lost-2016-let-us-count-the-ways-20161114
This one has some brutal assesments of the state of the party.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442474/democratic-party-lost-governors-state-legislature-seats-2016-election
Barack Obama Won The White House, But Democrats Lost The Country
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/barack-obama-won-the-white-house-but-democrats-lost-the-country/
doc03
(35,337 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)But I suppose you have to be fucking stupid to buy into it in the first place.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)going to be privately owned and controlled (in this case, by corporations). But no one forces the stupid electorate to believe the media -- they do that all on their own.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)they saw him on TV. Personally, I never watched his program.
Examples of Texas voting is, the winning of Pappy W. Lee O'Daniel who won the Governorship with his musical band,
The best example is a man Named Jessie James who won the office of Texas State Treasure for many elections. There some people who just like to vote for clowns.
eppur_se_muova
(36,262 posts)... and idiots constitute a large enough voting bloc to put them in office.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Working people, who live paycheck to paycheck, have been convinced that Walmart and Wall Street are not the problem, working immigrants and minimum wage laws are (i.e. just having a MW is wrong in their tiny minds)
That protecting the environment is too costly to them.
I think in all sincerity climate change is going to CORRECT the human errors simply by wiping most of us out. We are too dumb to be in charge of this unusual and fantastic planet.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)(tm Marguerite of "Wife Swap"
ZX86
(1,428 posts)Where ever it goes.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)and a healthy does of psyops.
rock
(13,218 posts)I'm surprised I have to say on this board.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If you know what I mean.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)"Will we ever rid ourselves of..." is code for "murder."
See: Henry II, trials of various mob noses.
And no, we won't be rid of them until we start winning elections. I believe this starts by winning elections at the lowest level. Not a base of activists -- we've got that -- but a base of politicians.
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...and they're the ones who tend to vote.
malaise
(268,998 posts)Dems will have to learn that playing nice and believing others won't break every rule and loot all of government is not a winning strategy.
Dems will also have to learn to LOCK THEM UP.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)ananda
(28,860 posts)They have co-opted the elections process and the courts
to manage a corporate, anti-people agenda.
This means that they have to destroy everying in America
that puts people and the environment first, instead of
corporate and personal greed and power.
That kind of destruction does not take any particular level
of intelligence or competence; but keeping power and position
does, and they have all that corporate power, money, and
wealth-driven institutions behind them, including the media
and all the positions bought and paid for in bastions like
universities and local and state government.
They have succeeded enormously in many red states, and formerly
blue states that have been turned red.
They have also succeeded in the national arena in ways that sort of
get hidden under the table since the media keeps us so distracted
with single hot button issues most of the time.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Of GOP cuts to education. And a reality show mentality
NotASurfer
(2,150 posts)There is no competency test for voting (in fact I'd say it's unconstitutional). And we have a goal of making sure everyone votes. I'd say the Electoral College is actually a good idea if the electors only did their job & refused to elect a person who won a majority of the clueless. Until then, if people vote stupid, stupid gets elected
usaf-vet
(6,186 posts)Using every tool they could dig up.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)and 2016.It was just too damn easy for the Republicans to retain control of the Senate
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)SpankMe
(2,957 posts)It all boils down to voter turnout, really. Left-leaners and independents don't vote in sufficient numbers to keep things safe and sane. So, the extremist, crazy right - which votes with almost 100% turnout - overwhelms the tepid "things-will-take-care-of-themselves" non-voter.
One thing the Dems need to undertake as part of any comeback they fantasize about is a relentless campaign of "non-vote" shaming. If done right, it will make more people vote rather than alienate them.
alfredo
(60,071 posts)They yearn for a aristocratic state like the antibellum south. They have created a bond with the poor whites through race. The poor whites see the aristocratic whites as guardians of white supremacy
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)IMO.
Plus many Americans seem to love idiocy and bluster.
That's why a sexual pervert and a born liar is now shitting all over our White House.
Easiest place to be a successful con man has got to be the USA.
We are full to the brim with fools.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)Non-stop paranoid bullshit, aimed at morons and self-righteous Thumpers and people who want easy answers to everything.
raccoon
(31,110 posts)Including voter ID laws.
KG
(28,751 posts)party needs to look in the mirror. DWS was a joke. the dems lost hundreds of seat on her watch. but she kept her job for years.
D_Master81
(1,822 posts)Because they have a message that resonates in wide swaths of the country. Many people in rural america distrust government and that message they provide is an easy sell
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)They've managed to rig the government and have massive propaganda outlets.
Dems have played by the rules and have real news but that doesn't work when the opposition is so dirty.