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diva77

(7,643 posts)
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 05:02 PM Jul 2017

France has 3 major political parties, 20 minor ones. Voted with HCPB and the liberal candidate won

France has 3 major political parties and 20 minor parties
France voted with hand counted paper ballots (HCPB) in the most recent election and the liberal candidate won.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_France


United States has 5 major political parties and 33 minor parties.
US voted with corporate controlled computerized voting machines and tabulators in the majority of districts and the most corrupt, revolting republican candidate won

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_the_United_States

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diva77

(7,643 posts)
2. Precinct size is 2500 or fewer usually so it's not a matter of how large the country is so much.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 05:16 PM
Jul 2017

it's a matter of having a precinct size that is manageable. There has been a consolidation of precincts in recent years, which helps to make people think that HCPB is not a viable option. HCBP is absolutely doable.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
3. The land area of the U.S. is many times that of France.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 05:26 PM
Jul 2017

In fact, France is a little smaller than the state of Texas.

What you describe is what is in place here in Philly - i.e., precincts (we call them "divisions" and we have 1,686 of them) with something like 4000 - 10,000 per division. However the city is obviously a dense area and most division polling places are no more than a mile or so from the resident.

However in the suburban, exurban, and rural areas, that kind of proximity between the resident and a polling place can't happen. The only way to solve it is by mail-in.

diva77

(7,643 posts)
5. We haven't been getting the representation proportional to backlash
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 05:50 PM
Jul 2017
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/14/1598918/-Republicans-now-dominate-state-government-with-32-legislatures-and-33-governors

snip...With a firm grip on the presidency, Congress, and soon the Supreme Court, Republicans have won more political power in 2016 than in any election since at least 1928, when Herbert Hoover was elected to the White House. Democrats now face a deep hole they need to climb out of to fight back against the coming reactionary policy shift of the pending Trump administration and its allied state governments...snip

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With a combo of voter roll purging, gerrymandering, computerized voting machines, optical scanners, central tabulators, disregard for exit polls, etc., Democratic representation has been tanking

diva77

(7,643 posts)
7. possibly - article in Boston Globe 4-23-17 agrees with that theory
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 07:11 PM
Jul 2017

French election is a backlash to the backlash
By Michael A. Cohen April 23, 2017
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2017/04/23/french-election-backlash-backlash/b6x1kooHnKlJy9stI18khJ/story.html

of interest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_by_country#cite_note-25

In January 2007 France's UMP party held a national presidential primary using both remote electronic voting and with 750 polling stations using touch screen electronic voting over the Internet. The election resulted in over 230,000 votes representing a near 70% turnout.[22]

Elections in France utilized remote Internet voting for the first time in 2003 when French citizens living in the United States elected their representatives to the Assembly of French Citizens Abroad. Over 60% of voters chose to vote using the Internet rather than paper. The Forum des droits sur l'Internet (Internet rights forum), published a recommendation on the future of electronic voting in France, stating that French citizens abroad should be able to use Internet voting for Assembly of the French Citizens Abroad elections.[23] This recommendation became reality in 2009, with 6000 French citizens choosing to make use of the system.[24]

On March 6, 2017 France announced that Internet voting (which had previously been offered to citizens abroad) would not be permitted in the 2017 legislative elections due to cybersecurity concerns.[25][26]

Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_by_country
Germany ended electronic voting in 2009, with the German Federal Constitutional Court finding that the inability to have meaningful public scrutiny meant that electronic voting was unconstitutional.[37]

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