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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 04:58 PM Jul 2017

Could It Be End Of America As We Have Known It?

With Trump and the Sadistically Cruel GOP in charge who knows. It seems like there is nothing the GOP will not take away from Americans in the name of patriotism. Even veterans care is hardly safe under GOP tutelage. You can risk your life and even get maimed in combat now in this country and have to count on charity for your care.

Nothings what so ever is sacred to these cretins. They even brazenly and openly are trying to steal and taint all future elections. They are determined to deliver a banana republican And it looks like Trump can be as outrageous and dastardly as he wants and nothing will be done about it. In fact his base and the GOP even celebrate or excuse the chaos. And such shenanigans are now embarrassing us internationally with no end in sight.

Trump, Ryan and McConnell look like the Three Stooges.

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LakeArenal

(28,820 posts)
1. I haven't recognized "my" America for some time.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 05:06 PM
Jul 2017

President Obama tried but our obstructionist Con-us, kept tearing it down.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
4. The America we all thought we knew has vanished over the last 45 years.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 05:28 PM
Jul 2017

What we saw, and thought was still America, was a thin veneer of civilization seen through a veil of wishful thinking. Trump's election stripped the veneer and tore the veil.

So it goes.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,181 posts)
13. Perhaps Frank Zappa was right after all...
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 06:32 PM
Jul 2017

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
9. Obama did everything he could to undo the damage,
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 05:47 PM
Jul 2017

but that single decision empowered the GOP, when they realized that they didn't have to play by the rules anymore.

Once the GOP controlled ANY branch of the government, they could do criminal acts and get away with it.

We were doomed from the moment Bush v. Gore was decided.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
6. The next major event will probably an economic downturn with a currency collapse.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 05:43 PM
Jul 2017

When secessionist pressures reach a climax, the dollar will take a beating.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
8. This too shall pass.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 05:47 PM
Jul 2017

Democracies come and go. It's how history works.

I expect sometime between now and the climate apocalypse (in 20-30 years) the U.S.A. will break up into anywhere from 4 to 8 separate countries.

People who live in times of collapse never believe it could happen to them. But it does. Over and over.

And, as the old saying goes, Those who do not learn from history will have to take it over in summer school.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
12. Millions of people will flee to higher ground.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 06:13 PM
Jul 2017

A good chunk of the southeastern US will be under water.

Not a bright future.


Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
15. I think it will be a hundred years or more before Florida is under water, but...
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 06:57 PM
Jul 2017

civilization will be long gone before then.

Human beings may well survive, here and there, as hunter-gatherers, or in favorable areas, as subsistence farmers. But "civilization" depends on the ability to grow massive quantities of grains. When that goes away, civilization goes away.

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
18. Democracies come and go. It's how history works.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 08:27 PM
Jul 2017

I read somewhere that no democracy has lasted over 200 years. We are living on borrowed time.
Things are getting weird. I hate to get all misty eyed and it was nice while it lasted...
Fight the good fight.
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Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
10. Pitchforks and hot tar/feathers will have to proceed losing the U.S.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 06:06 PM
Jul 2017

I think the people will rise up before they allow a coup by the Republican/Russian party. There are more of us than them and we have a personal interest to drive us. They don't care what happens to the U.S. as long as they gain wealth out of the deal.

Was that awful "campaign" speech he gave the military a couple nights ago a prelude to a coup so the troops would do as he says? I don't know how many times he said he'd back them up 100% and support them while all the time he's thinking of cutting their benefits. They are too wise to fall for that. He's simply using them.

As you point out, Trump, Ryan and McConnell are the Three Stooges. They may think they're smart, but they are just cagey and street smart. Nothing to be proud of there. Bark at them and they wither.

mnhtnbb

(31,392 posts)
14. I can tell you one thing: I have no interest in attending a fireworks celebration
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 06:48 PM
Jul 2017

of our country's birth this year. I think the country is on a big downward spiral and it will take at least a generation--if ever--to pull it
back from complete destruction as a Republic. We have already become an oligarchy and it remains to be seen in 2018 if the direction
the country is headed can be changed.

Bush v Gore

Voter Suppression and Intimidation

Stolen election 2004?

Republican insistence on obstruction of anything Obama

Republican theft from Obama of the Supreme Court Justice nomination in 2016.

Collusion with Russia in the 2016 election?

Trump nomination of Cabinet members with the mission to destroy their Departments.







csziggy

(34,136 posts)
16. The beginning of the end was over fifty years ago
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 07:14 PM
Jul 2017

At the 1964 Republican National Convention when Gov. Nelson Rockefeller was booed off the stage. His speech was trying to get the Republican Party to recognize the mistake they were about to make:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c3807346/governor-nelson-rockefeller-addresses-64-convention

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Remarks on Extremism at the 1964 Republican National Convention

FOR RELEASE AT 6:00 P.M., PDT, TUESDAY, JULY 14, 1964 ROBERT L. McMANUS, PRESS SECRETARY TO THE GOVERNOR

TEXT OF REMARKS BY GOVERNOR NELSON A. ROCKEFELLER PREPARED FOR DELIVERY BEFORE THE THIRD SESSION OF THE 1964 REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION IN MOVING ADOPTION OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE ON RESOLUTIONS ON THE SUBJECT OF EXTREMISM, COW PALACE, SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA JULY 14, 1964

Mr. Chairman, fellow delegates, I move that the following language be inserted in the proposed 1964 Republican Platform as a new full paragraph between the present sixth and seventh paragraphs under the section headed "For a Free People."

"The Republican Party fully respects the contribution of responsible criticism, and defends the right of dissent in the democratic process. But we repudiate the efforts of irresponsible, extremist groups, such as the Communists, the Ku Klux Klan, the John Birch Society and others, to discredit our Party by their efforts to infiltrate positions of responsibility in the Party, or to attach themselves to its candidates."

The time has come for the Republican party to face this issue realistically and take decisive action. It is essential that this Convention repudiate here and now any doctrinaire, militant minority, whether Communist, Ku Klux Klan or Bircher which would subvert this party to purposes alien to the very basic tenets which gave this party birth.

Precisely one year ago today on July 14, 1964, I issued a statement wherein I warned that:

"�.The Republican party is in real danger of subversion by a radical, well-financed and highly disciplined minority."

At that time I pointed out that the purpose of this minority were "�.wholly alien to the sound and honest conservatism that has firmly based the Republican party in the best of a century's traditions, wholly alien to the sound and honest Republican liberalism that has kept the party abreast of human needs in a changing world, wholly alien to the broad middle course that accommodates the mainstream of Republican principles."

Our sole concern must be the future well-being of America, and of freedom and respect for human dignity - the preservation and enhancement of these principles upon which this nation has achieved its greatness.

During this year, I have criss-crossed this nation fighting for those principles, fighting to keep the Republican party of all the people - and warning of the extremist threat, its danger to the party and its danger to the nation.

The methods of these extremist elements I have experienced at first hand.

Their tactics have ranged from cancellation by coercion of a speaking engagement before a college audience to outright threats of personal violence.

These things have no place in America, but I can personally testify to their existence. And so can countless others who have also experienced:

Anonymous midnight and early-morning telephone calls.

Unsigned threatening letters.

Smear and hate literature.

Strong arm and "goon" tactics.

Bomb threats and bombing.

Infiltration and take-over of established political organizations by Communist and Nazi methods.


These extremists feed on fear, hate and terror. They have no program for America - no program for the Republican party. They have no solution for our problems of chronic unemployment, of education of agriculture, or racial injustice or strife.

These extremists have no plan and no program to keep the peace and bring freedom to the world.

On the contrary - they spread distrust. They engender suspicion. They encourage disunity. And they operate from the dark shadows of secrecy.

They have called President Eisenhower "a dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy."

They have labeled a great Republican Secretary of State, the late John Foster Dulles, "a Communist agent."

They have demanded that the United States get out of the United Nations and that the United Nations get out of the United States.

There is no place in this Republican party for such hawkers of hate, such purveyors of prejudice, such fabricators of fear, whether Communist, Ku Klux Klan or Bircher.

There is no place in this Republican party for those who would infiltrate its ranks, distort its aims, and convert it into a cloak of apparent respectability for a dangerous extremism.

And make no mistake about it - the hidden members of the John Birch Society and others like them are out to do just that!

These people have nothing in common with Republicanism.

These people have nothing in common with Americans.

The Republican party must repudiate these people.

I move the adoption of this resolution.
http://rockarch.org/inownwords/nar1964text.php
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(Since the text of the speech is a release by the Rockefeller Center, I don't think quoting the entire piece is a violation of copyright.)

The Goldwater Republicans refused to even listen to Rockefeller, much less think about what he had to say.

Then Barry Goldwater who was their nominee gave his speech full of hatred, very similar to what we have been hearing from Republicans ever since:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?4018-1/barry-goldwater-accepts-1964-republican-presidential-nomination

Goldwater's speech was sometimes called the "worst acceptance speech" but that was before last year. This was the speech that included the lines, "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwaterspeech.htm
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Compare the plea for sanity from Rockefeller with the rhetoric Goldwater spewed. Then compare Goldwater's words to nearly every speech given by Republicans since - they are spewing the same garbage with little shift in the attitudes over a half century later.

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
17. WOW!!
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 08:23 PM
Jul 2017

I never read about this from Rockefeller... Some spooky shit.. He pretty much nailed it..
m

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
19. I hadn't until recently
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 08:35 PM
Jul 2017

I'm on Volume 3 of March by John Lewis - it's slow reading for me because of the graphic novel format - and yesterday was reading the section on the campaign of 1964. He quoted both Rockefeller and Goldwater but the complete text of each is amazing. I am stunned at how little has changed in all those years - except moderate Republican attitudes are now those of moderate Democrats and the Republicans keep getting more and more radical.

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