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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,741 posts)
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 05:49 PM Jun 2017

So far 21 states have refused to comply with the "Advisory Commission on Election Integrity."

Last edited Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:41 PM - Edit history (1)

They are: California, Connecticut, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maine, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Mexico, Nevada, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin. Some of these are "red" states, so Sarah Halibut Sanders can STFU about how a refusal to comply must be politically motivated.

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/340289-19-states-refusing-to-provide-voter-data-to-trump-panel

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So far 21 states have refused to comply with the "Advisory Commission on Election Integrity." (Original Post) The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 OP
Thanks for the list. SamKnause Jun 2017 #1
I talked to a lady at the Oklahoma State Board of Election avebury Jun 2017 #2
Same here. The woman who answered the phone at the Okla sec of state's office sounded Tess49 Jun 2017 #39
I talked to a woamn here in Arkansas and so far WhiteTara Jun 2017 #54
I checked the SoS website. TomSlick Jun 2017 #80
Have been hunting and searching for PA and Wolf did finally respond! YAY BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #3
Really happy to see Mississippi on the list. Tatiana Jun 2017 #4
Really happy to see Iowa stood up to Trump. Thanks so much n/t emulatorloo Jun 2017 #5
Wow.. Good! Cha Jul 2017 #91
very happy to see NM on that list. chillfactor Jun 2017 #6
Come on Oregon! Matthew28 Jun 2017 #7
I talked to the SOS office. He has been out of town but told me there are only 3 things they can OregonBlue Jun 2017 #15
Just listened to a recording. GallopingGhost Jun 2017 #48
I don't trust him. Kittycow Jun 2017 #60
Me neither central scrutinizer Jun 2017 #63
Oh great. I didn't know that. Kittycow Jun 2017 #65
It'll be pretty damned disgusting GallopingGhost Jun 2017 #66
Apparently he will only release what campaigns and pollsters Kittycow Jul 2017 #83
yeah, I'm sad that the governor of my state is a teapublican and will absolutely release any info lark Jul 2017 #99
Oregon has been confusing me lately. Doreen Jul 2017 #102
OREGON is not turning over information to Donald Rump !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trueblue2007 Jul 2017 #127
Copy of Gov. Tom Wolf's (PA) letter BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #8
Our Governor Tom Wolf is awesome FakeNoose Jun 2017 #55
I was checking the state website multiple times today BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #58
Sure sounds like it! BRAVO to him for a superb letter! calimary Jun 2017 #75
Perfect response NBachers Jun 2017 #61
Gov Tom Wolf is brilliant.. the Govs/SOS of Cha Jul 2017 #89
I am hoping that because of the "bipartisan" blowback BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #92
Fascistrumps are enemies of the state.. did you Cha Jul 2017 #93
Yup and at least Wolf mentioned the problems with Crosscheck in his letter BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #94
Every governor aquamarina Jul 2017 #109
Washington state should not be on this list. FuzzyRabbit Jun 2017 #9
Washington State IS on this list RainCaster Jul 2017 #105
Washington state voter information is already available to anyone who wants it. FuzzyRabbit Jul 2017 #117
I'd like to think it was my email to the Sec'y of State of Minnesota yesterday The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #10
Here in KS we are screwed. KOLBACH is our Secretary of State! nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #11
The latest LBN says fear not! BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #14
This F***er gave personal info from abortion clinics to Bill O'Reilly when he was KS AG! tblue37 Jun 2017 #19
I expect your state constitution has limits to this type of thing BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #23
RWers don't care about bankrupting their cities or states with lawsuits for doing stuff like this. tblue37 Jun 2017 #26
But then the "States Rights" mantra that they have engrained in their minds BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #29
They don't care about states' rights of they interfere with the RW agenda. Look at tblue37 Jun 2017 #35
But remember, they are only recently operating "from the other side" BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #44
Well, I will keep my fingers, toes, and eyes crossed & wish for the best. nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #47
I here ya! Let's hope the blowback means this request gets cancelled. 👍 nt BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #49
+1. nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #51
I am pretty sure that was Phil Kline. MuseRider Jul 2017 #107
Sorry. You're right. These RW SOBs start to blend together in my mind. nt tblue37 Jul 2017 #108
He did illegal things while State party head. MuseRider Jul 2017 #110
I called the office of Susanna Martinez -my Gov. to thank her. alittlelark Jun 2017 #12
was a little surprised and delighted Cha Jul 2017 #90
Trussia !!! love that! Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2017 #104
My POS Republican SOS in MI is going to comply. Barack_America Jun 2017 #13
This is great. 👍 Duppers Jun 2017 #16
OK? I thought head douchebag of the Commission was the SOS of OK jpak Jun 2017 #17
It's Kobach from Kansas. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #18
He is Kansas SOS. Maybe he got publicly embarrassed and means to stealth comply tblue37 Jun 2017 #20
the 'states rights' party demands you turn this information over.....such hypocrisy spanone Jun 2017 #21
Hilarious indeed malaise Jun 2017 #31
Yes - the Red states have just as much to lose as the Blue states FakeNoose Jun 2017 #82
I'm disappointed Madam Mossfern Jun 2017 #22
Anyone whose state isn't on that list NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #24
Russian gangsters are talented identity thieves, and whatever Trump's minions get will tblue37 Jun 2017 #38
They asked for publicly available info. Igel Jun 2017 #59
Please don't be fooled by the "publicly available info" request NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #111
But for those states that do charge and their state laws require that they do give out info under Squinch Jul 2017 #129
Agreed, and I hope NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #131
Thank you Riffraff saidsimplesimon Jul 2017 #116
SO many thanks for this list, Ocelot!! I'm to old and fried to compile all this and send around, Leghorn21 Jun 2017 #25
I feel sure that Brian Kemp of Georgia will want to personally deliver this info. to japple Jun 2017 #27
So would Paul Pate 47of74 Jun 2017 #43
How Hitler-esque can you get? mdbl Jun 2017 #28
Yep. Right alongside Homeland Security and Immigration LuckyLib Jun 2017 #72
We were fascist under GW Bush mdbl Jun 2017 #74
And, putinesque.. Cha Jul 2017 #95
Very Putinesque! smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #103
Does the Con know about malaise Jun 2017 #30
10th Amendment? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #32
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah malaise Jun 2017 #33
Good. It's the job of the state execs to put the brakes on this. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #34
I can't figure out why Illinois is not on that list. murielm99 Jun 2017 #36
Mebbe 'cause Illinois has it's head up it's governor's ass, elleng Jun 2017 #40
Very pleased to see this. elleng Jun 2017 #37
That's my California! calimary Jun 2017 #41
Speaking of.. Yay LA! Los Angeles City Council votes unanimously to rename southwest LA street Cha Jul 2017 #96
And our mayor, Eric Garcetti, is a leader of a group of mayors committed to calimary Jul 2017 #113
Wow, I can't believe TN refused! Lars39 Jun 2017 #42
If your state has refused, take time to thank the SoS, too. Lars39 Jun 2017 #45
I called the Arkansas SOS today and they said they hadn't gotten the sinkingfeeling Jun 2017 #46
K&R. nt raccoon Jun 2017 #50
Up to 24 now - even Arizona! QED Jun 2017 #52
M$NBC (Ali Veshi) says it's now up to 24 states. nt BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #53
If its bi-partisan who is on this commission? blueinredohio Jun 2017 #56
it needs to be FIFTY spanone Jun 2017 #57
Thank God, who'd trust Trump? Hieronymus Jun 2017 #62
Where is oregon? WTF Matthew28 Jun 2017 #64
24 states now Gothmog Jun 2017 #67
First of all, half those refusing states are Red defacto7 Jun 2017 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Jun 2017 #69
Colorado SOS saying state law requires him to turn over this info Jake Stern Jun 2017 #70
Wisconsin? old guy Jun 2017 #71
Anyone know why? HuskyOffset Jul 2017 #123
From what I gather old guy Jul 2017 #125
Texas not on the list I see. They probably plan to "challange" the voters with Spanish surnames McCamy Taylor Jun 2017 #73
Texas is refusing to release private info but will release public stuff. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #76
I wrote to Rick Scott tavernier Jun 2017 #77
That asshole Ruiner will give them Illinois I bet. . He will try to sell it to them first lunasun Jun 2017 #78
Sorry, Florida, we moved HockeyMom Jun 2017 #79
Mississippi is about as red as a state can get.... paleotn Jun 2017 #81
Of course, Michigan is playing along with these motherfuckers MrScorpio Jul 2017 #84
Damn Snyder Bullshit.. Can't wait till Cha Jul 2017 #88
Embarrassed for my state... llmart Jul 2017 #115
Nevada Is doing this... Cha Jul 2017 #85
So is my state, New Hampshire. I just sent an email to the governor's office. Vinca Jul 2017 #86
Right.. Mahalo, Vinca! "Data Collection" and Cha Jul 2017 #87
I was pleasantly gobsmacked about Indiana SOS denying the width and breadth of this request Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #97
The person that surprised me was the Ohio SOS. Blue_true Jul 2017 #120
GA should be on that list as well. Dulcinea Jul 2017 #98
Remember, they only need to suppress 4 of the swing states and maybe only to light blue states. nikibatts Jul 2017 #100
It's the swing states that count SHRED Jul 2017 #101
I agree. But it is encouraging to see red states slap back at this. nt Blue_true Jul 2017 #121
I have a feeling this is an intentional overstep. Expect them the quickly "compromise" and only briv1016 Jul 2017 #106
I really don't see early voting going away. Blue_true Jul 2017 #122
UPDATED LIST: NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #112
States' refusals are representative of a larger issue ailsagirl Jul 2017 #114
Governors and Secretaries of State want to be re-elected. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #128
You're right about that! ailsagirl Jul 2017 #130
"... video explains how restrictive laws have already hurt voting rights." L. Coyote Jul 2017 #118
If a SOS says they have to release voter info Blue Idaho Jul 2017 #119
NEBRASKA frogmarch Jul 2017 #124
whew. WI is on the list. afraid the turd brigade in madison that stupid. pansypoo53219 Jul 2017 #126

avebury

(10,952 posts)
2. I talked to a lady at the Oklahoma State Board of Election
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 05:53 PM
Jun 2017

today and she indicated that they would release the information as a Freedom of Information request.

Tess49

(1,580 posts)
39. Same here. The woman who answered the phone at the Okla sec of state's office sounded
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:30 PM
Jun 2017

frustrated, to say the least. Said they've gotten a lot of calls. Directed me to the State Board of Elections. The woman I spoke with there said they will not give out SSN# or DL#s. All other info is available under our open records act, and can be found online anyway.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
54. I talked to a woamn here in Arkansas and so far
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:58 PM
Jun 2017

our SOS hasn't received the letter and is accepting calls to let him know the public's opinions. The young woman I spoke to didn't seem like she thought it was a good idea, but who knows what that means. Our SoS phone number 501 682 1010 should anyone wish to call him. Ask for the elections department.

Sorry that Crosscut has your records.

TomSlick

(11,100 posts)
80. I checked the SoS website.
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 08:53 PM
Jun 2017

The form asks for either the DL# or "at least" the last four digits of the SSN.

The name and addresses of all Arkansas voters are accessible in an easy internet search. There usually is no party identification in Arkansas voter registrations since we have open primaries.

Arkansas has one of the broadest FOIA laws in the country (I know, right?). Unless someone put their full SSN on the registration (which should be confidential), I suspect everything in a registration form is subject to a FOIA request.

BumRushDaShow

(129,127 posts)
3. Have been hunting and searching for PA and Wolf did finally respond! YAY
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 05:53 PM
Jun 2017





TEXT
Governor Tom Wolf?Verified account @GovernorTomWolf

Governor Tom Wolf Retweeted Ari Berman

You can add PA to that list. We will not participate in this systematic effort to suppress the vote.

Governor Tom Wolf added,
Ari BermanVerified account @AriBerman
I'm now counting 18 states opposed to Kobach voter data request: CA, CT, IN, KY, MA, MN, NC, NM, NV, NY, OH, OK, RI, TN, UT, VA, VT, WA
4:20 PM - 30 Jun 2017

His earlier tweets on the subject -




TEXT
Governor Tom Wolf?Verified account @GovernorTomWolf

I have serious reservations given historical suppression of voting rights and the Trump admin's false statements on the integrity of voting.
4:21 PM - 30 Jun 2017




TEXT
Governor Tom Wolf?Verified account @GovernorTomWolf

During the campaign, then-candidate Trump repeatedly suggested wide-spread voter fraud in Pennsylvania without evidence.
4:21 PM - 30 Jun 2017




TEXT
Governor Tom Wolf?Verified account @GovernorTomWolf

Even worse, after the election the President-elect said millions of votes in U.S. had been cast illegally while providing no evidence.
4:21 PM - 30 Jun 2017

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
4. Really happy to see Mississippi on the list.
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 05:53 PM
Jun 2017

Fingers crossed. If we reach 35-40 states refusing to comply, the ones like Oklahoma will feel significant chagrin (and possibly blow-back from their voters) for handing over the data.

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
15. I talked to the SOS office. He has been out of town but told me there are only 3 things they can
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:11 PM
Jun 2017

legally reveal about their voters and even though he's a Republican the person in his office assumes he will not be willing to open the state up to a lawsuit.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
48. Just listened to a recording.
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:48 PM
Jun 2017

They are receiving a high volume of calls from pissed off voters and a decision is still being "reviewed."

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
60. I don't trust him.
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 07:11 PM
Jun 2017

I think he's looking at his Sect. of State position as a segue into eventually becoming governor. He already lost that race once. His decision will probably be made with his own political future in mind and not what's good for Oregonians.

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
65. Oh great. I didn't know that.
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 07:29 PM
Jun 2017

The only voter fraud in my recent memory in Oregon was a few years back when a Republican elections worker in Clackamas county got caught filling in choices people left blank on their ballots. The case dragged on and she only got a slap on the wrist. She claimed to be under stress or something

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
83. Apparently he will only release what campaigns and pollsters
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 05:35 AM
Jul 2017

get for $500. The other stuff kobach trump wants breaks state laws.

I still don't trust him, however. If he lies himself into a governorship, I'm sure it will be bait and switch.

lark

(23,120 posts)
99. yeah, I'm sad that the governor of my state is a teapublican and will absolutely release any info
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 10:56 AM
Jul 2017

allowed by state law. FL has some pretty strict privacy laws, but don't know how they are with respect to government inquiries? Bondi and Scott are both idiot liars who skirt the law when it's personally convenient, so no faith in them doing the right thing at all.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
102. Oregon has been confusing me lately.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 11:05 AM
Jul 2017

They have been doing things that are good for the people then they turn around and do things that are against the good of the people. What is it with them lately? They need to chose one track and stay on it.

trueblue2007

(17,228 posts)
127. OREGON is not turning over information to Donald Rump !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 04:50 PM
Jul 2017

27 states now opposing Kobach: AZ, CA, CT, IN, KY, MA, MN, MS, MT, NC, NM, ND, NV, NY, OH, OK, OR, PA, RI, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, VT, WA, WI.

BumRushDaShow

(129,127 posts)
8. Copy of Gov. Tom Wolf's (PA) letter
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:01 PM
Jun 2017






TEXT

View image on Twitter
Follow
Governor Tom Wolf

@GovernorTomWolf

Here's my full letter to the Trump administration's Kris Kobach denying his request for personal information of every registered PA voter.
5:00 PM - 30 Jun 2017

BumRushDaShow

(129,127 posts)
58. I was checking the state website multiple times today
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 07:03 PM
Jun 2017

looking for press releases and finally saw PA listed at the OP's link which included one of Wolf's tweets.



(and his mention about Corbett and "Crosscheck" was something I didn't know about so glad he brought that up too)

calimary

(81,323 posts)
75. Sure sounds like it! BRAVO to him for a superb letter!
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 08:23 PM
Jun 2017

My governor (Jerry Brown) is another awesome example. I've loved, admired, and respected Jerry Brown since the first time he was a two-termer, here in California, back in the mid-70's. I'd vote for him for a THIRD set of two terms if that was at all possible. He will rock, in my view, til he drops.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
89. Gov Tom Wolf is brilliant.. the Govs/SOS of
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 06:36 AM
Jul 2017

the states that are turning over their Voters' Data are stupid.. sheep are smarter.

BumRushDaShow

(129,127 posts)
92. I am hoping that because of the "bipartisan" blowback
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 06:49 AM
Jul 2017

this whole ridiculous effort will be halted and that stupid "commission" ends up disbanded. The commission is technically headed up by Pence and his mentality is to run the federal government like it is a state, where he can ram through draconian legislation and invasive policies.

They think they are fooling people but they have exposed themselves as frauds. They should be investigating why the hell the Russians hacked into our systems.

BumRushDaShow

(129,127 posts)
94. Yup and at least Wolf mentioned the problems with Crosscheck in his letter
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 07:30 AM
Jul 2017

and our state dropped use of it. We use a different system ("ERIC&quot to do verification.

Ari Berman was on (I think) Chris Hayes' show last night discussing this.

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
9. Washington state should not be on this list.
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:01 PM
Jun 2017

Kim Wyman (R), Washington secretary of state, may yet hand this information over to the Kobach voter suppression commission.

Most of this information is already publicly available. Kobach could look for it himself if he wanted to, so why Wyman would waste her staff's time and taxpayer money giving Kobach something he can get for free is beyond me.

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/06/30/25260306/was-republican-secretary-of-state-wont-rule-out-handing-voter-info-to-trumps-goons

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
117. Washington state voter information is already available to anyone who wants it.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 03:08 PM
Jul 2017
Wyman, a Republican, said on Thursday she would consider the request over the weekend, but on Friday she tweeted the state will send the commission names, addresses and dates of birth of registered voters because that information is available to the public.

http://q13fox.com/2017/06/30/washington-state-will-send-some-voter-data-to-trump-commission-but-not-confidential-information/

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,741 posts)
10. I'd like to think it was my email to the Sec'y of State of Minnesota yesterday
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:02 PM
Jun 2017

that persuaded him (he was earlier reported to be "considering" not complying), but that's just Trumpian self-importance. And I'm sure I wasn't alone (and he probably would have done it anyhow). Makes me happy.

BumRushDaShow

(129,127 posts)
14. The latest LBN says fear not!
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:11 PM
Jun 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141811608
---
Kris Kobachs Own State Just Defied His Bogus 'Election Integrity' Commission
Source: Talking Points Memo

By MATT SHUHAM Published JUNE 30, 2017 4:41 PM

The vice chair of President Donald Trump’s shady “election integrity” commission has added his own state to the growing list of states that will not fully comply with the commission’s requests for sensitive voter information.

That’s right: Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach will not hand over information to his own commission.

“In Kansas, the Social Security number is not publicly available. … Every state receives the same letter but we’re not asking for it if it’s not publicly available,” Kobach told the Kansas City Star Friday. It was a change in stance from Thursday, the paper reported, when Kobach said Kansas would provide all requested information to the commission.

Kobach added Friday, hedging somewhat: “If the commission decides that they would like to receive Social Security numbers to a secure site in order to remove false positives, then we would have to double check and make sure Kansas law permits.”

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/kris-kobach-bogus-election-integrity-commission

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
19. This F***er gave personal info from abortion clinics to Bill O'Reilly when he was KS AG!
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:13 PM
Jun 2017

IOW, he can't be trusted with "secure" info.

BumRushDaShow

(129,127 posts)
23. I expect your state constitution has limits to this type of thing
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:17 PM
Jun 2017

just like here in PA and he finally got bonked on the head about it - e.g., SS #s (as if your state even has the money to try to defend the lawsuits that would result ).

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
26. RWers don't care about bankrupting their cities or states with lawsuits for doing stuff like this.
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:20 PM
Jun 2017

Look at all the times they post the Ten Commandments in public spaces, have prayer or bible study in school, or push Creationism in science classes. They get sued every time and lose, but they keep on doing it anyway.

BumRushDaShow

(129,127 posts)
29. But then the "States Rights" mantra that they have engrained in their minds
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:24 PM
Jun 2017

will cause them a horrible struggle because they don't like nor want the "big bad feds interferin'" (even though THEY are now "the big bad feds"! It'll be like cognitive dissonance for them.

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
35. They don't care about states' rights of they interfere with the RW agenda. Look at
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:28 PM
Jun 2017

Sessions' intentions toward states with legal weed.

BumRushDaShow

(129,127 posts)
44. But remember, they are only recently operating "from the other side"
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:34 PM
Jun 2017

Their States Rightsers buddies will be tough nuts to crack! When you have a state like Mississippi tell Kobach to "Go jump in the Gulf", that's what I'm talking about! They are too brainwashed and are anti-fed unless it is a social wedge issue.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
110. He did illegal things while State party head.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 12:23 PM
Jul 2017

I think they did not pay taxes and took in illegal donations. I believe he left the party almost broke or at least still owing money and this idiotic state elected him SOS.

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
12. I called the office of Susanna Martinez -my Gov. to thank her.
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:08 PM
Jun 2017

She is a Repuke, and I could never imagine voting for her, but NM will not let Tr-ussia get ahold of our voter roles.

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
20. He is Kansas SOS. Maybe he got publicly embarrassed and means to stealth comply
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:15 PM
Jun 2017

when no one's watching.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
82. Yes - the Red states have just as much to lose as the Blue states
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 11:50 PM
Jun 2017

Everyone should fight this and it should be taken to court. Maybe even the SCOTUS.

This is a DANGEROUS precedent. If the White House wins this there's no going back.
Why can't the Republican Governors see what a problem this is?

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
22. I'm disappointed
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:16 PM
Jun 2017

that NJ isn't on that list.
But then again.....Christie.


Is he giving up my personal information?

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
24. Anyone whose state isn't on that list
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:18 PM
Jun 2017

PLEASE call, email, snail mail, ANYTHING to your state's SoS. I just emailed Maryland's and tried to call but couldn't get through.

That so-called Commission is threatening to MAKE PUBLIC all information turned over to them. That's right; including your social security numbers.

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
38. Russian gangsters are talented identity thieves, and whatever Trump's minions get will
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:30 PM
Jun 2017

he handed right over to Putin.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
59. They asked for publicly available info.
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 07:10 PM
Jun 2017

With a list of what they'd like. But the first constraint rules.

But we don't want them together make public publicly available info?

It's like people didn't actually look at the request.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
111. Please don't be fooled by the "publicly available info" request
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 01:01 PM
Jul 2017

They WANT personal information, including "partial" SS numbers. (And don't be fooled by that "partial" bit either. The last 5 numbers are unique so the rest can be easily extrapolated.) They can get publicly available information themselves; they don't need to send out a letter asking for it. Many states charge for it, so they can pay for it if they want it badly enough. To my knowledge NO state includes SS numbers, partial or full, as public information.

They have said that all data collected will be made public.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
129. But for those states that do charge and their state laws require that they do give out info under
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 05:36 PM
Jul 2017

FOI (which I don't understand because why would that apply in some states and not others, but anyway,) those states should charge the fee for EACH record.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
116. Thank you Riffraff
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 03:05 PM
Jul 2017

"illegitimi non carborundum", do not be discouraged, I like it.

Thank you for taking action. Resist

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
25. SO many thanks for this list, Ocelot!! I'm to old and fried to compile all this and send around,
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:18 PM
Jun 2017

but thanks to you, I can now!!

japple

(9,833 posts)
27. I feel sure that Brian Kemp of Georgia will want to personally deliver this info. to
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:20 PM
Jun 2017

tRUMP, just so he can kiss his ass in person. Brian Kemp, has announced his candidacy for Gov. of Georgia.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
28. How Hitler-esque can you get?
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:23 PM
Jun 2017

The Advisory Commission on Election Integrity? This country is no longer a democratic republic, it's a banana republic. Any state that doesn't stand up to these control freak nut jobs needs to be over-exposed for their treachery.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
72. Yep. Right alongside Homeland Security and Immigration
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 08:20 PM
Jun 2017

and Customs Enforcement, and US Customs and Border Protection. Are we fascist yet?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
103. Very Putinesque!
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 11:18 AM
Jul 2017

The fact that the Trump administration even REQUESTED this should alarm anyone who is interested in preserving our democracy. This is one of the most frightening things they have done yet.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
40. Mebbe 'cause Illinois has it's head up it's governor's ass,
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:31 PM
Jun 2017

at the moment; it can't figure out where the hell it is.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
113. And our mayor, Eric Garcetti, is a leader of a group of mayors committed to
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 02:02 PM
Jul 2017

adhering to the Paris Accord. DESPITE whatever trump might want, or want to do.

Our mayor here in L.A. is pretty damn sweet. #TheResistance !

sinkingfeeling

(51,460 posts)
46. I called the Arkansas SOS today and they said they hadn't gotten the
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:40 PM
Jun 2017

letter yet. That was the Elections department.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
68. First of all, half those refusing states are Red
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 07:45 PM
Jun 2017

But what's really stupid about this whole thing is the reason Trump and his cronies want this info. They say so they can cross reference the data looking for voter fraud. That's the stupidest most illogical reason they could possibly have to gather all US voter info. This can not possibly be why they want it. The states can do this themselves or already do. Piling it up in a new db on the Internet is utterly asinine.
There is some other reason... period. What it is... that is anyones guess and I can think up a lot of possibilities.
Any state that goes along with it even with the availability excuse is walking into something they will regret as will we all.

Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

HuskyOffset

(889 posts)
123. Anyone know why?
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 04:01 PM
Jul 2017

Fellow Wisconsinite here, also figured Walker would happily hand over the data. Wondering why WI refused, anyone know?

old guy

(3,283 posts)
125. From what I gather
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 04:22 PM
Jul 2017

it would violate state law to give them what they want. They can get some of it under narrow circumstances but would cost $12,500. Check the Capitol Times as they have a item on it and explain it better than I can.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
73. Texas not on the list I see. They probably plan to "challange" the voters with Spanish surnames
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 08:20 PM
Jun 2017

before the 2018 midterms to keep the state red.

If you have a list of everyone who voted, then you know where to target your voter disenfranchisement.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
78. That asshole Ruiner will give them Illinois I bet. . He will try to sell it to them first
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 08:35 PM
Jun 2017

Cuz he's not a politician he is a bizness man.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
79. Sorry, Florida, we moved
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 08:37 PM
Jun 2017

Voted in the 2016 Election. Born in the Foreign Country of New York. Hello, Donald?

Registered to vote when we got our Pa. Driver's Licenses. Is that still allowed? Showed our Out-of-State Licenses, BC, for me Marriage License, and two pieces of mail addressed to each of us at new address. Not ENOUGH?

Funny part? My husband and I got our Voter ID cards two weeks later. A month after that I got a 2nd voter ID card whereas my husband (Republican) didn't. I guess Pennsylvania wants to make SURE Democrats can vote???????

llmart

(15,540 posts)
115. Embarrassed for my state...
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 02:31 PM
Jul 2017

I hope like hell that Schuette doesn't win. He's a Snyder toadie.

Time to write another letter to that jackass Snyder.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
85. Nevada Is doing this...
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 06:01 AM
Jul 2017

"Information on Nevada voters, including names, addresses, dates of birth and voting history, will be turned over to President Donald Trump's election integrity commission, but the Nevada Secretary of State will not provide confidential information such as a voter's social security number"

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/30/nevada-turn-over-some-voter-data-trump-election-integrity-commission/443604001/

Dumbshits! Wonder how the Voters in Nevada feel about this obvious scam to rig another election?

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
86. So is my state, New Hampshire. I just sent an email to the governor's office.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 06:12 AM
Jul 2017

IMO, this is little more than a data collection operation for Dear Leader's 2020 campaign.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
87. Right.. Mahalo, Vinca! "Data Collection" and
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 06:30 AM
Jul 2017

Purging Voters with the Orwellian "Ethical Election" or whatever Bullshit name they're pushing. We know they rigged the election... trump wants to change history and push the propaganda that he won the popular vote.

Wonder how the Nevada Voters feel about this?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,415 posts)
97. I was pleasantly gobsmacked about Indiana SOS denying the width and breadth of this request
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 10:06 AM
Jul 2017

We're a Republican-locked State at the moment and our Republican SOS and Mike Pence dramatically shut down a Democratic-leaning voter registration effort last fall in a massive state police raid leading up to the November elections- the outcome of which we have yet to hear about AFAIK.

I thought that we were supposed to have a secret ballot? The fact that Kobach requested actual voting records for people now makes me wonder if he knows something that the rest of us don't know about............

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
120. The person that surprised me was the Ohio SOS.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 03:53 PM
Jul 2017

He came out in no uncertain words and said that his office would only send publicly available information that anyone could ask for. On top of that he pointed out that Ohio had looked at voter fraud three seperate times and found no real issues outside of minor errors in a few situations.

Dulcinea

(6,645 posts)
98. GA should be on that list as well.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 10:33 AM
Jul 2017

"Georgia plans to provide publicly available voter information to President Donald Trump’s commission on election integrity, but will not share information considered private under state law such as registered voters’ driver’s license numbers or Social Security numbers."

http://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/georgia-share-data-with-trump-commission-voter-fraud/g1cIww5anWQoeiDGbTwa9K/

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
100. Remember, they only need to suppress 4 of the swing states and maybe only to light blue states.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 10:58 AM
Jul 2017

They don't really care about most of those who are refusing. It's an electoral college numbers game. Wealthy blues need to move in and take over.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
106. I have a feeling this is an intentional overstep. Expect them the quickly "compromise" and only
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 11:40 AM
Jul 2017

use district level data. They don't need to know individual votes in order to create new laws.

They've already written their recommendations anyway. 50 state voter ID and ending all early voting.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
122. I really don't see early voting going away.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 03:58 PM
Jul 2017

I see reduced days. Early voting is popular with liberals and conservatives.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
112. UPDATED LIST:
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 01:03 PM
Jul 2017

Arizona, California, Connecticut, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, New Mexico, Nevada, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin.

Per The Hill (Updated July 1, 2017, 10:45 a.m.)

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
114. States' refusals are representative of a larger issue
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 02:22 PM
Jul 2017

They're symbolically telling that clod to DROP DEAD

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,741 posts)
128. Governors and Secretaries of State want to be re-elected.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 04:51 PM
Jul 2017

Turning over personal data that can be used for identity theft as well as voter suppression would not sit well with a lot of people, regardless of party affiliation. There might be a small percentage of dead-ender Trumpazoids who'd be OK with it ("Yes! Yes! You can have my name, date of birth, Social Security number, voting history, and the number of freckles on my butt as long as it helps prove that Dear Leader really won the popular vote, and if it makes it so only white people get to vote next time!&quot , but sending in that info could be a career-killer for many state officials.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
119. If a SOS says they have to release voter info
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 03:41 PM
Jul 2017

Because of the Freedom of Information act - tell them "Fine, then I am requesting you release the same information to me."

frogmarch

(12,154 posts)
124. NEBRASKA
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 04:14 PM
Jul 2017

Undecided

A spokeswoman for the secretary of state said it's not clear whether the request has been received.



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