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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you think Mueller will clear Trump or charge him?
Will he charge him with a crime or misdemeanor?
Or will he say there is no evidence that Trump did anything wrong, in regards to Russia?
What do you think?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)spiderpig
(10,419 posts)I can't even consider the alternative.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)If there's something there which we all seem to believe I am confident he will find it.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Donald Trump is a nasty, horrible, mendacious, mean-spirited and all-around evil human being.
What more can be said, except that something needs to be proven in a court of law to get him out of our lives.
DK504
(3,847 posts)The Nazi Nacho and his brownshirts did work with the Russians to defeat Hillary and he knew.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Rollo
(2,559 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)on their Security Clearance Forms facts about their meeting Russians. FEL. O. NEY, Baby.
Kushner also attempted, AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN IN 2016, to work with a foreign government (Russia, of course) to set up a PRIVATE, OUTSIDE US GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES, and SECURE line IN the foreign embassy to communicate directly with that govt's leader. This is in violation of the LOGAN ACT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act
Flynn: Undeclared, then declared actual AGENT of Russia. It's the "undeclared" illegal time that is making him sing right about now.
Page: See Flynn.
Pence, McConnell, Nunes, Ryan---All, IMO, going to be charged with crimes (e.g., Nunes, possible Obstruction of Justice).
And Then There Was One: TRUMP.
Obstruction of Justice--Multiple Counts (Face to-face; Tweets);
Money-Laundering--Multiple Counts (Mar-A-Lago; casinos; golf courses; hotels--foreign and domestic);
Violation of the Constitutional Nobilities (AKA Emoluments) Clause--Multiple Counts; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_of_Nobility_Clause
Income-Tax Evasion (Probably)--Multiple Counts;
And the coup de grace---Collusion with Russia as to Overthrowing the 2016 Presidential election, AKA TREASON.
There's not enough popcorn in the world......
pnwmom
(109,015 posts)in an impeachment proceeding. He may list DT as an "unindicted co-conspirator," like Richard Nixon.
OTOH, I could imagine NY attorney general actually indicting him under state law. And then all hell will break loose.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)charged for obstruction of justice, but I'm not sure Congress will do anything about that. Trump might be cited for his financial entanglements with Russia as being a conflict, but, again, not sure Congress will do anything about it, even if Democrats get control of one or both houses.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)KPN
(15,668 posts)charge him in criminal proceedings, I'm leaving the party OR the country! This would be king is destroying 230 years of history, 230 years of human progression.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)they will be anxious to impeach. Republicans established in the 90s that Obstruction of Justice is an impeachable offense. They will cite the Gingrich precedent in drafting the impeachment.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)And he will hold this card very close to his vest. We won't see it coming, so Trump won't have a chance to fire him first.
tblue37
(65,502 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)I think there are a number of good reasons to think he will get hung up on this because that is just his style. Before this investigation became as serious as it looks now, we read of many incidents that didn't pass the smell test. I also think he is guilty of the obstruction of justice charge as well as perjury.
Mueller wouldn't have hired an expert criminal lawyer if didn't feel sure he really needed one!
Not sure about Pence. I do think Trump's son-in-law will have huge problems.
Sam
janx
(24,128 posts)the intelligence community, as well as their guarded replies in public, I think that Trump will be charged.
BUT--it's going to take a long time. The intelligence community is going to be uber methodical about this one. They have to be. So I don't think we're going to have answers to our questions next week, for example. This thing is going to stretch into next year, at the very least.
Edited to add: Trump will be charged with obstruction. It's fairly obvious that he should be charged with more, given his brazen continuance of things pro-Russia, but the people charging him might (sigh) charge him with less "for the good of the country."
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,909 posts)specifically money laundering and racketeering, which probably are the basis of his relationship with Russia. The answer is always, "Follow the money." I wouldn't be surprised if they discovered tax evasion as well. Whether he is actually charged and prosecuted will depend on what else happens, legally and politically.
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)but the illegal $$$ stuff that nails Trump. (and I hope Jared, etc.)
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Trump will be lucky to avoid jail.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)And Trump has already confessed for all practical purposes.
kairos12
(12,883 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)We have a winner.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Then sue the government to get his job back, which will of course require that some of the evidence be released to the public. So it's a lose-lose situation for Trump.
tableturner
(1,685 posts)Most of the dossier will be proved, which will be wildly explosive and cause quite a few serious charges. In addition, he will be indicted (or temporarily be an unindicted co-conspirator) for be all kinds of financial crimes, including money laundering. There will be scores of unrelated crimes found due to the investigation looking into every corner of anything Trump has touched even remotely.
What is the chance that will all of the hundreds of loans he has taken out, that he has not lied in the loan applications of which he is a party? Look.....a whole lot of everyday people fudge on this, and quite a few outright lie. Most do not get caught. Trump will.
He's doomed, he knows it, and that is why he is continuing to obstruct justice, which will be the least serious of his crimes.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)He will be a proven piss fetishist.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)In the decades to come.
Baconator
(1,459 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,674 posts)To bring down the Russian syndicate with which Trump was a player until they pushed him onto the world stage as their stooge and chief mouthpiece.
The pincer attack is in motion, with Schneidermann on the ready to take Trumpco down on state charges and Mueller laying it on thick at the federal level.
They're not playing around, and FOX's fake news won't be a witness at trial.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Flynn and several others that were close to Trump get charged.
Trump has been cautious enough in what he does to avoid any direct links to him, leaving it to his lackeys to face charges much like how a mob boss operates.
Trump will act outraged and declare he had no idea it was happening.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)What give the appearance of and what can be prosecuted and convicted of are two widely different things.
Comeys testimony that he didn't change anything and didn't allow it to influence his actions don't help the case.
Now, if it can be proven he discussed what he planned to ask of Comey with someone else then you can look at a Conspiracy to obstruct justice charge- but you need proof of discussion with another party.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,909 posts)and we don't know what that is yet.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)of the FBIs findings. What we currently know is extremely damning. I feel that the investigation is taking them places they never thought it would go. I hope that their investigation is wide enough to simply be looking at Russian interference.
Both parties have ignored election tampering and fraud for too long. I think this report, Trump of no Trump, is going to be a serious eye opener.
What we know without the report is damning. We know a Florida Republican reached out to Russian hackers and was directed toward hacked political information. Said Republican then shared it with others. We know for a fact that the Russians attempted to get into our voting machines.
The list of horrifying and factual information is out there. It can't be pulled back. I want to see what the FBI has unearthed and how wide their net is. Example: Are they looking into Josh Uretsky? Was he directed to vulnerabilities by someone on the outside? It seems the vulnerability he exploited was already know by people connected to Russia. Gucifer has even mentioned him with respect to his clear intent.
We cannot use all of this to win back the house and senate simply to move on to the next order of business. I am hoping the report is so damning on our voting system that it can no longer be ignored.
This isn't all about Trump to me.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)Mark my words.
He is that crazy.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)WhiteTara
(29,728 posts)become PapaDoc for Life
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)He'll document a bunch of activity of the Trump campaign and individuals within the organization. It will reveal that some of them worked with people that they did not know were from the Russian security services. It won't be clear what Trump personally knew. Some people will fall on their swords to protect him. And the whole report will be turned over to Congress for them to decide on a course of action.
Vinca
(50,319 posts)What a fucking mess.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)Flynn, Kushner, Page, Manafort and several others are charged next summer. Trump will pardon them all. His approval ratings go in the tank. Democrats win big in the House in 2018 and gain a net 1 or 2 seats in the senate.
Trump will be recommended for charges Obstruction of Justice, Collusion with a Foreign Power, Witness Intimidation and more. He'll suffer a "heart attack" on a foreign trip and be airlifted to a Russian hospital where he requests asylum and it is granted.
Mike Pence takes over, but agrees not to run for re-election and to step down in January of 2021. Democrats effectively gum up the works and not allow him to pass most of his agenda. After he resigns, more comes out that Pence should also have been charged, but a backroom deal was made to keep him in place for government stability on the condition that he does not propose anything too radical.