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DFW

(54,447 posts)
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 01:40 AM Jun 2017

Here is an unnerving article with a VERY scary ending (as in "legalized murder of Democrats").

The one one incident is bad enough:
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/not-racist-member-of-white-privilege-club-tries-to-run-over-trumpcare-protesters-with-motorcycle/

But the last sentence is deserving of a complete story in itself:

"Republican lawmakers in several states, including North Carolina, North Dakota and Tennessee, have introduced legislation to protect drivers from civil liability if they hit protesters with vehicles."

WTF?????

So, if you want to run over and/or kill a protester with a vehicle in NC, ND or TN, it's fine and dandy as long as it can be determined they were protesting something. Why don't Republicans just issue Confederate uniforms and paint the stars and bars on the vehicle doors while they're at it?

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Here is an unnerving article with a VERY scary ending (as in "legalized murder of Democrats"). (Original Post) DFW Jun 2017 OP
As if further proof was needed ... NanceGreggs Jun 2017 #1
Indeed DFW Jun 2017 #4
They are waaaay ahead of you. lapfog_1 Jun 2017 #2
Oh gods Hekate Jun 2017 #3
Democratic Cleansing democratisphere Jun 2017 #5
Ahh shucks...now we can run them over to Doreen Jun 2017 #6
Injure people whose health care has been taken away. BadgerMom Jun 2017 #7
And Jesus and the American Way DFW Jun 2017 #11
Option II Tetunot Jun 2017 #8
ND guss Jun 2017 #9
Liberals Have Cars Too All-In Jun 2017 #10
Yeah, they're insanely Stupid. Cha Jun 2017 #12
Trouble is, they have the cops DFW Jun 2017 #13
True guss Jun 2017 #30
Cars Bear Creek Jun 2017 #14
Actually, no it doesn't endorse "murder of Democrats"... brooklynite Jun 2017 #15
Thanks for the voice of reason. SharonClark Jun 2017 #16
Darn those troublesome facts!!!! Lurks Often Jun 2017 #18
Actually, I agree with the last part about inconveniencing like-minded people DFW Jun 2017 #22
It legalizes murder and it could backfire on them. Vinca Jun 2017 #17
Do you feel you should be held liable if you strike a protestor with your car? Lurks Often Jun 2017 #19
If a protester is lying down somewhere, the chance of him running into your car is remote DFW Jun 2017 #23
So no comment about the actual wording of the ND law? Lurks Often Jun 2017 #24
I hate to burst your bubble, but your auto insurance company pays for your lawyer and damages elehhhhna Jun 2017 #26
Depends on the charge and the state Lurks Often Jun 2017 #27
What's your point? elehhhhna Jun 2017 #28
I don't think a driver (or anyone else) who has done nothing wrong should be faced with a civil suit Lurks Often Jun 2017 #29
If it helps, TomSlick Jun 2017 #25
This is scary!!!! Initech Jun 2017 #20
I think the Republicans should just issue brown shirts. nt raccoon Jun 2017 #21
oh there smart huh? bluestarone Jun 2017 #31

DFW

(54,447 posts)
4. Indeed
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 01:50 AM
Jun 2017

So THIS is how Republicans feel they need to be able to get their point across.

It doesn't seem like they have a lot of confidence in traditional ways of persuasion, like peaceful discussion, for example.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
6. Ahh shucks...now we can run them over to
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 02:06 AM
Jun 2017

and just go home and have supper and call it a good day. We can put a sticker on our economy cars that says "The only good Republicans are ones with tire tracks on them."

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
7. Injure people whose health care has been taken away.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 02:35 AM
Jun 2017

Sure. Why not? Tell me again how much they love the Constitution.

guss

(239 posts)
9. ND
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 02:52 AM
Jun 2017

I Live in ND and when they Proposed this. My thinking,
Is North Dakota Proposing State Sponsored Terrorism?
Look how many Vehicles been used around the world to smash into crowds!
Could they get out of a Conviction if they said hmmmm, I thought they were protesting.

Idiots!!

DFW

(54,447 posts)
13. Trouble is, they have the cops
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 04:44 AM
Jun 2017

If a Republican driving a car kills a Democrat protesting Trump, it's supposed to be a perfectly legal act.

If a Democrat driving a car kills a Republican harassing a Planned Parenthood clinic, it's vehicular homicide.

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
14. Cars
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 04:54 AM
Jun 2017

GOPers have ginormous trucks and suvs. The democrats have economy cars.
So now they are legitimizing terror acts to use against a constitutional right?

brooklynite

(94,786 posts)
15. Actually, no it doesn't endorse "murder of Democrats"...
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 07:27 AM
Jun 2017

This is about CIVIL liability. It is still a CRIME to intentionally kill or injure someone, in a car or otherwise.

The argument here is that protestors blocking an operational roadway cannot make a legal claim if there's an accident with a car legally and responsibly operating on the road.

I am a First Amendment absolutist, but I continue to think that blocking roadways, which affects people NOT involved in the dispute being protested, is a stupid way to send a message.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
18. Darn those troublesome facts!!!!
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:29 AM
Jun 2017

On a more serious note, does anyone do basic research anymore or do they just believe what ever is reported as long as it agrees with what they want to hear?

DFW

(54,447 posts)
22. Actually, I agree with the last part about inconveniencing like-minded people
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:54 AM
Jun 2017

I have to contend with it all the time over here, especially in France and Belgium and it drives me nuts.

However, removing the civil liability removes, in my opinion, a good part of the inhibition to attempt not to injure someone, which is why I see it as a very thinly veiled sanction to injure whom someone sees fit. In such states, law enforcement is always disinclined to prosecute someone for doing something they would have been glad to do themselves. The threat of a civil suit was the last "but what if" barrier to open season.

Vinca

(50,318 posts)
17. It legalizes murder and it could backfire on them.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:20 AM
Jun 2017

I'd be aiming for the guys in the white sheets and the guys protesting with their great big guns.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
19. Do you feel you should be held liable if you strike a protestor with your car?
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:37 AM
Jun 2017

Here is the scenario: You are driving home from work, obeying all the speed limits and a protestor runs out into the middle of the road right in front of your car. You are unable to stop in time and strike and kill the protester. The accident is clearly the fault of the protester, however the protestor's relatives choose to sue you.

Why should YOU have to pay hire a lawyer and got through the expense and stress of a civil trial?

On edit - Here is a link to the actual bill being proposed: http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/65-2017/documents/17-0351-02000.pdf

"Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a driver of a motor vehicle who
unintentionally causes injury or death to an individual who is intentionally obstructing
vehicular traffic on a public road, street, or highway is not guilty of an offense."

DFW

(54,447 posts)
23. If a protester is lying down somewhere, the chance of him running into your car is remote
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:57 AM
Jun 2017

This is not a story about people playing stickball in the street at a protest for losing their health care.

Your lawyer won't be billing you any hours for that, rest easy.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
27. Depends on the charge and the state
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:31 PM
Jun 2017

and the insurance company's lawyer is working for the insurance company, not you.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
29. I don't think a driver (or anyone else) who has done nothing wrong should be faced with a civil suit
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 11:06 AM
Jun 2017

Even if the insurance company pays, which can include settling, the driver is still going to have to either use up vacation time or go with getting paid while having to attend the trial. Explain to me how that is fair?

TomSlick

(11,114 posts)
25. If it helps,
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:10 PM
Jun 2017

If a driver is sued for damages from a driving accident, your insurance company will hire a lawyer. Personal injury defense lawyers have mortgage payments too and some of them are Democrats.

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