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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy are there no Dems pushing to get rid of the electorial college?
If I am missing some bill or stance on the Dems part, I would be happy for DU to bring me up to the latest.
I hear everyday how voters are to blame for our past loss. But in light of the majority of voters voting for us, why do comments still push this idea.
Please do not ridicule my lack of knowledge.. Thanks.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...and not a "bill" or even a "stance".
A Constitutional amendment requires a 2/3 majority in both the House and Senate, and then would have be ratified by 3/4 of the states (38).
Democrats control the governorship and legislature in six states.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)and getting rid of it would require a Constitutional Amendment. No such amendment could succeed at this time, so there is no point in pushing for it. Instead, we need to replace the congressional Republican majorities with Democratic majorities, and then replace the Republican President with a Democrat.
Then, and only then, can we begin to look for ways to prevent a recurrence of 2016. Don't waste your time on impossibilities. Instead, work as hard as you can to regain control of government.
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)You were the one I hoped would answer me.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)#resist
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Look it up.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)LesterKasai
(132 posts)To get rid of it, 2/3 of the States need to agree...and 2/3 of Congress.
Now why would any small population state like Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, North Dakota etc agree to such a change? The Electoral College helps them retain their GOP relevancy. They are not going to agree to get rid of it. Most of those states are RED and they want to keep it that way.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)so the EC is just a formality before inaugurating the Democratic Prez.
UTUSN
(70,740 posts)on the platform and declaiming and shaking fists of determination that they/we all would be working to reform the system, and *ZILCH* has happened. And here we are again.
That said, I thought Eric HOLDER was working on something.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)It's in the Constitution, so it would take a Constitutional amendment. It would take a supermajority (66) of the Senate, and then would need to be ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatures.
The Senate is controlled by the Republicans, and it is HIGHLY unlikely that either party will ever hold 66 seats ever again. In addition, the Republicans control a vast majority of the nation's legislative seats.
This article has a map of the legislatures held by party: https://ballotpedia.org/Gubernatorial_and_legislative_party_control_of_state_government
The D's can bring up anything they want, but I can tell you for a fact that eliminating the Electoral College won't happen for probably at lest a generation.
Hers is the Constitutional Amendment process:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_amendment#Federal_constitution
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)The only way to effectively get rid of the Electoral college is by the concept of state compact to support the winner of the national popular vote
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Imagine how much politics will change if republicans are suddenly not dependent on rural white votes to win, and actually have to appeal to urban voters whose needs outweigh the few... would be nice.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their respective electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. The compact is designed to ensure that the candidate who wins the most popular votes is elected president, and it will come into effect only when it will guarantee that outcome.[2][3] As of June 2017, it has been adopted by ten states and the District of Columbia. Together, they have 165 electoral votes, which is 30.7% of the total Electoral College and 61.1% of the votes needed to give the compact legal force.
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/written-explanation
AND:::
Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote
The National Popular Vote interstate compact would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
The National Popular Vote bill has been enacted by 11 jurisdictions possessing 165 electoral votes61% of the 270 electoral votes necessary to activate it, including four small jurisdictions (RI, VT, HI, DC), three medium- size states (MD, MA, WA), and four big states (NJ, IL, NY, CA). The bill has passed a total of 33 legislative chambers in 22 statesmost recently by a bipartisan 4016 vote in the Arizona House, a 2818 vote in the Oklahoma Senate, a 574 vote in New York Senate, and a 3721 vote in Oregon House. A total of 3,055 state legislators have either sponsored or cast a recorded vote for the bill.
The shortcomings of the current system of electing the President stem from state winner-take-all statutes (i.e., state laws that award all of a states electoral votes to the candidate receiving the most popular votes in each separate state).
Because of these state winner-take-all statutes, presidential candidates have no reason to pay attention to the issues of concern to voters in states where the statewide outcome is a foregone conclusion. As shown on the map, two-thirds of the 2012 general-election campaign events (176 of 253) were in just 4 states (Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Iowa). Thirty-eight states were ignored.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Thanks for posting the information. I enjoyed reading your material.
Thanks for posting!
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)But why isn't it part of the message. We need to work for it and continually bring it up.
Everything is impossible until we get it done. Why do we continually blame voters?
Is it part of any platform: to work for the elimination of the "Electoral" (thanks, mm) College.
Why aren't we shouting it from the rooftops, instead of blaming voters?
We would never have had all the impossible accomplishments we've had if we deem it impossible.
Thanks for everyone commenting.. Du is the best place to learn politics.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)for a FEW states (California, New York, etc.) this would be an overwhelmingly great idea, and readily accepted. But, much of the rest of the country is pretty evenly divided. If this were part of the party platform in solidly red states, or even in states like Wisconsin or Michigan (which actually had a voice in deciding this election) I think it would bring out the R voters like NOTHING else ever would. You would be taking power from states that don't want to give it up.
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)I find our Democrats weak and ineffective. I would welcome a new "fire and brimstone" candidate.
Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)It's a constitutional issue, and cannot be fixed without an amendment, and the states who benefit from it won't concede.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)But Repugs are always calling for Amendments that are probably never going to happen. But it's part of their larger conversations. The base love it. We don't have repeal of the Electoral College on ANYONE'S lips.
I get that I have started beating a dead horse and will not ask "why not" anymore...
Thanks everyone.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)We already have 170/270 needed to make it happen.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)If states worth 100 ecs (5 of the right states, really), pass the same law, then the electoral college will effectively be gone.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)--which states have passed it? Solidly blue states? Are there enough other states with EC votes totaling 100 likely to pass it?
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)California and most of New England. The most likely way for it to happen is if we have enough of a wave in 2018 to give us state control in enough states to make it happen. But believe me, the Democratic Party has been a strong force in helping this through
On edit: but mostly non-partisan groups like the one I shared with you.
Tiggeroshii
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Progressive dog
(6,918 posts)which stands no chance at the present time to even get through Congress. You can find the Constitution online through google. It's even in wikipedia.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)It really just needs states with 270 ecs to commit to giving those votes to the popular vote winner. http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state-status
Progressive dog
(6,918 posts)So it requires trust in many Republican controlled states to stick to the agreement, if it ever reaches 270 ec votes.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Although many of those states have put it in their constitution. Not all though... and I think it would be harder convincing people why the popular vote shouldn't decide our elections, once it actually starts happening. Especially if 2018 makes this happen, then it will likely be some time before enough states change it back.
You are right though. A constitutional amendment will guarantee we keep it, but isn't by any means the only way in making it happen.
It's funny too because when Democrats do great in the ec, suddenly republicans hate it. So there have been support from republicans to abolish it as well.
still_one
(92,394 posts)bottomofthehill
(8,346 posts)Then introduce legislation that would give PR and DC statehood, split CA into 10 different states with about 4 million in each and change the Electoral College map than to eliminate it. Nearly 25% of the states have less than 3 Members of Congress and I dont believe you would get any of them (St. Bernie's Vermont included) to give up the Electoral College.