True story - the Lord's Prayer

[underpants]

So my daughter is going to YMCA Camp this year.
Me being super planner thought we should go by today and get a lay of the land. Figure out where check in is etc.

She's gone to Jewish camp the last few years. "Israel Day" was a hoot including getting camou'ed up, low crawling, and info on the IDF. Great Camp. Seriously a camp of your dreams.

So we are heading back to the car and I see the Chapel in the woods. I ask her "Do you know the Lord's Prayer". I'm thinking that might be covered.

Little one responds: "Amen??"

We went to church mind you. From the polyester suits to Mom needing a day off, when she asked is if we wanted to keep going to church my brother and I looked at each other and said "No". My Mom was a school librarian who worked part time at Sears where she met my stepfather. He was,at the time, going through a divorce. He lost pretty much everything. My dad just checked out one day. As my Mom says she had "a thousand dollars, a car that leaked oil, a degree, and two kids". Let's not forget on Father's Day women who raised kids without a Father. I found out a few Months ago that my father died I'm 2014. My brother and I were in the obituary but no one bothered to contact us. The only reason she had a degree was because a spinster who took a liking to her at a young age paid for her college. She graduated in 3 years.


I learned the Lord's Prayer from playing high school football in the 80's. We pretty much had to all go over and kneel down after the game. It's just what we did.

Little one will probably learn it in the same way I did. She's in a International Baccalaureate program. Just finished the 6th grade. 7 A's and a B+ in a brutal English course. FYI.

[question everything]

1. I lived in a city where the council decided to start each meeting with a "non-denomination" prayer

delivered by different clergy. Yes, the "Lord's Prayer" was included..

I once protested that one of the apostles said that the prayer should be said when one is inside a closet.. Did not help

[SCantiGOP]

2. Here's your Bible verse:

I keep it on hand when arguing against forced public prayer:

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are; for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men ... But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou has shut thy door, pray to the Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." --Matthew 6:6

This language is obviously King James, which was the result of an English monarch ordering a rewrite of the Bible to emphasize the 'obey your masters' aspect of the original text so no one would question the principle of Divine Right of Kings.

[malaise]

3. You mother

who fathered you -there are lots of them to celebrate

[furtheradu]

4. Thanks for this! My 2 thoughts/2 cents

#1) Thank You for remembering single moms.
I was 1, & so was my mom.
#2) "Lord's Prayer".. Although I consider mySelf a Christian, I have strong pagan tendencies. I was once told I'm too "churchy for pagans, & too witchy for church". I'm ok with that.
Anyways, in my researchin years ago, I read an original translation of this prayer, from original Aramaic to Hebrew to English. It was amazing & BeautiFULL! Alot longer, very descriptive, & very little of it sounds like the common prayer we know. The original (as I remember) praised the glory of Nature, Earth & ALL planets & heavenly bodies, that ALL humans & living creatures are equal & related.
Mostly about Love, & compassion, & JOY.. NO fear.
It was beautiful, & I wept as I read it.

Wish I had a copy of it.
Thanks for sharing Your adventure! "Amennn"!

[blaze]

6. Could it be this one?

https://www.amazon.com/Prayers-Cosmos-Meditations-Aramaic-Words/dp/0060619945/ref=mt_hardcover?_encoding=UTF8&me=

The author offers numerous possible translations and the hows and whys of how it can be translated so many different ways.

For example:

KJV: Give us this day our daily bread.

Possible translations:

Grant what we need each day in bread and insight:
subsistence for the call of
growing life.

or

Give us the food we need to grow
through each new day,
through each illumination of life's needs.

or

Animate the earth within us: we then
feel the Wisdom underneath
supporting all.


Even if it isn't the one you remember, I think you'd like this.

[furtheradu]

7. Thank YOU.💖

That isn't it, but similar, in tone & vibes.
I DO like, very much!
Thank You for sharing this!

[woodsprite]

5. We aren't really religious although we do go to church.

Our friend invited us to get involved in the music program and we ended up staying (22 yrs now). It's a Dem-heavy very small historically liberal church, so we've felt comfortable there. From an early age, we started teaching our kids the Lord's Prayer, the Nicene Creed, the Doxology, and Psalm 23. We figured that would serve them well in pretty much any service they attended. Now that they're pretty much grown, our daughter (24yo) attends service with us and helps by serving as a deacon. Our son (just turned 17) goes to church with us, but doesn't really attend the actual service. He's there for youth group, helps with other duties, and participates in the music programs. I figure he may change his mind later about attending service.

I probably feel the way I do about church because I was forced to go to an ultra conservative fire-and-brimstone church when I was really young, and my parents didn't really attend much - just made my brother and I go. It screwed me up for a long time, anxiety attacks, nerve meds, all through elementary school.

Is the International Baccalaureate program called the Cambridge Program? Our son just completed his Cambridge testing and requirements. The most stressful thing for him was the multi-year testing. That program only goes up to the 10th grade in our school district. In 11th and 12th, they go strictly into AP classes. Best of luck to her in the IB program!

[Solly Mack]

8. Wow! She's already in the 6th grade. Time flies by.

She'll be graduating high school before we know it.

I suspect she has your sense of humor, yes?