Sessions ordered Rosenstein to write positive and negative Comey memos, released one

[L. Coyote]

Looks like Sessions is definitely part of the obstruction of justice conspiracy. Do you think Rosenstein is also?

Link to tweet

Louise Mensch 5 minutes ago
EXCLUSIVE: #Sessions ordered DAG #Rosenstein to write positive and negative #Comey memos - then only released one
EXCLUSIVE: DAG Rosenstein has no intention of recusing himself - the obstruction came from @JeffSessions #ComeyDay
EXCLUSIVE: Sessions Ordered Two Comey Memos; Rosenstein Will Not Recuse
http://patribotics.blog/2017/06/18/exclusive-sessions-ordered-two-comey-memos-rosenstein-will-not-recuse/ …

Exclusive: According to sources with links to the Justice Department and intelligence community, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein was ordered by Russian hacking suspect, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, to write two separate memos regarding Director Comey; one that argued for Comey’s strengths as FBI Director and the second, which Sessions used in his obstruction of justice to fire Director Comey.

This means that it is Jeff Sessions who is directly responsible for obstructing justice by misusing Rosenstein’s pro and con Comey memos, and not Donald Trump. The Deputy Attorney General made a point of saying that even in his ‘negative’ memo, he would not recommend that Donald Trump fire Director Comey. On the night James Comey was fired by Trump, using the Sessions memos, Rosenstein had to be persuaded not to resign himself, so angered was he that Jeff Sessions had tricked him and misused only one of his two memos.

However, DAG Rosenstein was persuaded that it would be madness to resign and allow a right-wing partisan loyal to Trump, and only confirmed on a party-line vote, take his position overseeing the inquiry. Sessions had been forced to recuse, and the game was now to eliminate Rosenstein. Instead, the Deputy Attorney General immediately appointed Special Counsel Mueller, and left any decisions on recusals to him.

As I reported on Twitter at the time, both Andy McCabe and Rod Rosenstein had Director Comey’s full confidence – and they still do. .................

[OnDoutside]

1. Why didn't Rosenstein say that at his hearing ? Sounds odd, but huuuge, if true.

[Blue_true]

4. Because the information is material in an investigation of Sessions and Trump.

My guess is Mueller has copies of both memos as well as Sessions directive to Rothstein.

[OnDoutside]

9. Good point.

[bresue]

32. No wonder Rosenstein and McCabe would not answer the questions.....

[writes3000]

2. IF this is true, this is HUGE info. Did Rosenstein claim he couldn't answer questions about who

Asked him to write the memo and what his understanding was?

[MineralMan]

3. Without corroboration, I do not accept this as fact.

I suggest that nobody accept it as fact until and unless it is corroborated. The linked source has made many claims that have never been corroborated as factual.

Just saying...

[Orrex]

5. But she was sort of right once, months ago

Therefore we should accept her ramblings as verified fact.

[janterry]

6. how much money does she make from her speculations?

does she make an income from all of this?

[MineralMan]

13. You can donate on her Patribotics blog.

She'd like that. How much does she make? I have no idea, nor do I have any idea whether she has outside sponsors who are keeping her afloat. I don't care. I pay no attention to her, unless I see corroboration. I don't have time for speculations.

[MineralMan]

10. Well, my source, who has links to reality, says that

I should ignore Louise Mensch and rely on more accurate sources.

I know my source. I have no idea who Mensch's source(s) is or are, or even whether they exist. For all I know the source is a voice in her head.

[OnDoutside]

7. MM, no one is asking you to ! It's out there for what its worth. As I said, it's odd because I would

have expected Rosenstein to have said this (somehow), in his hearing testimony. Then again, maybe no one asked him that question. Someone can now ask it.

[MineralMan]

12. Oh, yes, people are asking me to.

Louise Mensch, for one. The poster who put it on DU for another.

Lots of stuff is "out there." Lots of crazy, incorrect stuff. I'll wait for corroboration.

[OnDoutside]

20. Ah now, there's nothing specifically asking any of us to automatically believe it. If you look at

my posts on it, I'm sceptical about it, but from a pov that I would have expected Rosenstein to have come out with that information when he was before the Senate committee. Time will tell, but it is certainly an angle worth exploring.

[Cirque du So-What]

11. Indeed

'Patribotics' could serve as a term meaning 'inoculation for endless streams of BS to follow.'

[MineralMan]

16. The Key Word in Patribotics is "bot"

I'm pretty sure that's true. My sources, who have links like you wouldn't believe, pointed that out to me.

[Cirque du So-What]

22. Yeah, I noticed that too

The 'patri' part id worthy of note as well, as patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. When the gullible get set up repeatedly to be knocked down every time, the impact of truth is attenuated when it is finally revealed.

[MineralMan]

26. The core word is Patriotic

Drop a "b" in there and add an "s" to the end. Patriotics with a "b" is PatriBOTics.

I think it's intentional, really, and serves as a clue to the blog, myself.

[dixiegrrrrl]

58. Mensch claimed the name was because "Patriotic" was already used by someone.

which makes sense, I guess.
Not agreeing or disagreeing with content of Sessions post, just adding what i read a few months back.

[MineralMan]

59. So she dropped a "b" at random into the word and added

and "s" at the end. Makes no sense to me, really. But as she says, of course.

[bresue]

34. Mineral Man....I do not accept anything as fact....

this whole scenario is like a movie out of the Twilight zone. And even when MSM reports a story...the fact is so unbelievable...that I sit there with my mouth open. And if I try to tell my Rub friends what the media is stating as fact...they look at me as if I am crazy.

So, in reference to your comment of being corroborated...until we see the indictment papers for real...this is too unbelievable!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. Louise Mensch again? I'll believe it when it turns up in an actual, credible news source.

So many of her "exclusives" seem to disappear without a trace. She cites "sources with links to the Justice Department and intelligence community," which for all we know could be the guy who mows the lawn at Langley.

[MineralMan]

15. But see, she has, you know, exclusive sources who don't talk

to anyone but her. Sources with "links." How can you ignore that? Oh, wait, I know...

Carry on.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. If I were a "source close to the intelligence community," and

I had stumbled across some really explosive information while emptying the trash bins in the men's room at FBI HQ, and I wanted to be sure that information became public, where would I go? The Washington Post, which busted Watergate all those years ago and is still doing first-rate reporting on the Trump investigation? Or the New York Times, just to keep the Post on its toes? Or Kurt Eichenwald at Newsweek? Hell no, I'd go right to Louise Mensch because she's got a blog! And she gets all these awesome exclusives!

[MineralMan]

23. Yah, me too.

Odd, isn't it?

[LOL Lib]

38. That would be the smart move.

I'm still shocked that Reality Winner chose to disclose info to the Intercept reporter.

[MelissaB]

40. WP and NYT are great newspapers, but how long did they sit on the Steele Dossier?

[L. Coyote]

31. Are you sure you'll believe it even then? Has happened repeatedly NY Times, WA Post, LA ....

You keep posting this same reply to every mensch story and then they appear in the big papers soon enough. But you remain a doubter.

Link to tweet

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

55. Who is Ruth Sullivan? How does her tweet verify the story?

Please list Mensch's scoops that later turned up in major media outlets because I'm not aware of any. Sometimes she comes up with stories that are *kind of like* something that appears later, but that's it - like the report about a FISA court convening a grand jury when that's simply impossible - because they don't and can't do that. Grand juries have been convened in EDVa by the federal prosecutor there, but that's no surprise; it's something that could be easily discovered. Then there's the ridiculous story about the Marshal of the Supreme Court delivering a notice of pending impeachment proceedings to Trump on the tarmac just before he left for Europe. It's ridiculous because the Supreme Court has no authority over, and no involvement in, the commencement of impeachment proceedings. This was quickly debunked by just about everybody. http://www.mediaite.com/online/twitter-loses-it-when-louise-mensch-says-marshal-of-the-supreme-court-told-trump-about-impeachment/

Mensch does not seem to know much about how the government works. She throws rumors and gossip against the wall, hoping some of it will stick, and if someday she does come up with something accurate, great. I haven't seen it yet.

[PSPS]

14. "Patriobotics" is a crackpot blog.

[4139]

17. WOW! It was Jeff Sessions who hacked the DNC????

"was ordered by Russian hacking suspect, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, "

[Foamfollower]

18. Mensch? So I can easily dismiss this as the complete bullshit it must be because Mensch.

[marylandblue]

19. I think Mensch just throws things out there and hopes one or two are right

so she can claim she knew before anyone else.

[MineralMan]

24. Throwin' pasta on the wall,

That don't bother her at all...

[Baconator]

25. Can we stop buying her bullshit please?

[MineralMan]

27. Most of us already have, you know.

[Me.]

29. The Usual Suspects

[MelissaB]

30. Yep! I've noticed that.

I wish people would look at what Louise and Claude post on Twitter as raw intelligence kind of like the Steele Dossier. It's fine to read with skepticism and wait for the MSM to confirm, but plan on waiting a few weeks. Look how long they sat on the Dossier.

[L. Coyote]

33. They come to DU for that purpose. Wish we had open source log files of the DU server so

we could see the IP address of the posters. Would make a great addition to DU to know who is posting from a troll factory Moscow.
Also, want to know if they weigh 400 pounds.

[MineralMan]

60. The admins are never going to disclose IP addresses here.

They have rules against releasing personal information. Are there trolls here? Perhaps. But they may not necessarily disagree with you, I'd think.

[Bradical79]

36. They don't post raw intelligence

Mensch posts conclusions which are often nonsensical. A good chunk of her articles are simply opinion, and misinformation. For example calling Sessions a "Russian hacking suspect" is pretty rediculous, and how he is responsible for obstruction of justice and not Trump. It's just plain stupid.

[L. Coyote]

43. Please give us a link to your blog. Would love to see how it compares.

How much raw intelligence have you posted about #TrumpRussia? Did you get the scoop on the FISA warrants?

FBI has FISA warrant for Trump secret server connected to Russia.

[Bradical79]

35. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me

I don't follow why Comey would order two memos, or how this would absolve Trump himself for obstruction of justice.

[L. Coyote]

39. Because you misread it. Try again.

[RDANGELO]

41. Whether is is true or not makes sense of the fact that Rosenstein has not recused himself.

[bucolic_frolic]

42. What kind of boss asks you to go two ways?

Trump is still blaming Rosenstein and Sessions for firing Comey. The buck stops over there!

[L. Coyote]

44. Trump fired Comey. Trump says he intended for fire Comey over Russia irrespective of recommendation

which is likely just another trump lie to obstruct justice given he likely ordered the recommendations to fire be written in the first place.

[bucolic_frolic]

47. Yes I saw the 3 letters posted on the day of the firing

it's almost sounding to me like they are creating alternative versions of reality
that are so conflicting that no one will be able to sort them out.
Which is the whole idea.

[L. Coyote]

51. Sowing confusion seems to be a part of politics as warfare.

We'll wake up with the USA broken up and sold off to the lowest billionaire bidders and wonder how that happened.

[Egnever]

45. Wee that is some seriously delusional BS

Mueller decides who has to recuse?

[L. Coyote]

48. Mueller decides who is being investigated for obstruction of justice, so yes, he does.

And Rosenstein could easily be a target unless his actions behind the scene kept him out of the conspiracy. We will be finding out eventually, after the investigation concludes.

[Egnever]

50. LOL

Being investigated does not force recusal. And Mueller does not tell anyone to recuse.

Sorry this is some delusional bullshit.

[emulatorloo]

62. Imho Rosenstein is a witness re Sessions and Trump

Witness To what mascinations were involved in the firing of Comet.

He may need to recuse himself for that reason

[malaise]

46. Sessions is up shit creek

He did not recuse himself

[Ms. Toad]

52. Sorry - but no competent attorney would accidentally leave himself open to that kind of misuse.

If the person asking you to write a memo wants both sides - fine, but put it in a single memo, marked for internal consideration only. You don't draft a ready to go memo for each side that can be sent off withough further input for you, unless you intend to give whoever you gave the memos to the discretion to do so.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

57. God, yes. Whatever one might think of Rosenstein, there's no indication

that the guy is an idiot, which he'd have to be to do something like that. It would make sense to prepare a single memo listing reasons for and against firing Comey and leaving the choice to the president, but no lawyer with half a brain would prepare two separate memos *advising* completely contradictory actions for contradictory reason. That sort of thing is unethical and dishonest, not to mention likely to come back and bite the lawyer on the butt.

[Motley13]

54. Remember Rosenstein threatened to resign

when Comey firing was pinned on him


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rod-rosenstein-reportedly-threatened-resign-comey-firing-article-1.3154920

[wishstar]

61. Rosenstein testified he wrote memo knowing/agreeing Trump was going to fire Comey

He testified he was told on May 8th that Trump was going to fire Comey and asked to write memo. He thought Comey should be replaced, so he put in writing his misgivings about Comey and agreed with decision to fire Comey for reasons in his memo. So there would have been no reason for Sessions to have asked him to write two memos.

Contradicting this article, he has said he did not threaten to resign.

This article also contradicts Rosenstein, McCabe,Comey and others who have denied that Comey asked for more resources. That part of this article has been debunked -Rachel Maddows' team concluded Comey had not been denied more resources)

This article states "This means that it is Jeff Sessions who is directly responsible for obstructing justice by misusing Rosenstein’s pro and con Comey memos, and not Donald Trump". Although the two memos stuff seems unlikely, it does seem likely that Sessions, and not Trump came up with the firing scheme, since Trump just wanted Comey fired, while Sessions realized that would look bad unless there was a cover story. So Sessions arranged for Rosenstein to write the justification memo and conspired with someone in WH, probably Kushner, to put out the cover story that Trump was merely acting upon recommendation from Rosenstein. Incredibly, both Rosenstein and Trump promptly blew the cover story. Three stooges with Trump the Obstructor in Chief, with his elves Sessions and Kushner bumbling in the background as co-conspirators.

Rosenstein refused to say who told him Trump was firing Comey and who told him to write memo, obviously because that person (undoubtedly Sessions) had a major role in Trump's obstruction of justice being investigated.

Since Rosenstein installed Mueller, he's definitely not obstructing

[emulatorloo]

63. +1 n/t