Something that should give us pause.

[pnwmom]

Bill Clinton's popular support went UP -- a lot -- after the House impeached him and the Senate failed to convict him.

This is probably why the Democratic leadership is reluctant to jump on board the impeachment wagon till the case against DT packs the punch of a nuclear bomb.

Any attempt we make -- even if it results in impeachment in the House -- that doesn't result in a CONVICTION in the Senate is a boost for DT. It inoculates him against further attempts at impeachment if, in the future, even more damning evidence is found. The chance that we'd succeed on a second impeachment attempt is almost nil.

To convict in the Senate we'd need a 2/3 yes vote. That means that about half of the Republicans in the Senate would have to vote yes. This is a huge -- though not insurmountable -- barrier. But we have to be fully armed with the best, most damning case possible. One that convinces half the Senate GOP that they're better off with him gone.

And we're not there yet. With a Republican controlled House, based on what we know now, we're not even close to impeachment, much less conviction, unless the Republican leaders in the House decide that their best political option is to impeach him -- and then watch him NOT be convicted in the Senate. And if this happens there is the horrible possibility that DT will emerge from the process even stronger than before.

[Cary]

1. That, and the drip drip drip

We will not benefit from a removal of #fakepresident. As we have seen he is a cancer of.the Republican Party and he will only continue to be a cancer on all of.us.

Sadly he is the best thing we have going for us right now so yes, let it get worse and worse for him and let him motivate our base.

Vote Democratic!

[Phoenix61]

2. Do it once, do it right

You know there is more than enough evidence to sink him and possibly the rest of his family until well into the next century. But you are so right, we need to have it all. One huge dump truck full of shit not one shovel full at a time.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

3. Very good point!

[GoCubsGo]

4. Yep. Not to mention that investigations are still ongoing.

Let Mueller, et al. finish their jobs first.

And, as Woodrow Wilson once said, "Never … murder a man who is committing suicide."

[pirateshipdude]

5. I agree we are not there yet.

People were demanding the Democrats impeach months ago, but as we have seen over the months, more and more come out. I read today, Investigation is about at 20%. Immediate gratification will not work on this, nor does it generally work with anything. I am heartened by what I am seeing in Mueller investigation. I think he is strategically, doing a very competent and thorough job.

[edhopper]

6. I think impeachment

is highly unlikely

I doubt the Republicans would ever move against one of their own.

Party over country every time.

[Vinca]

7. Donald Trump is no Bill Clinton. Big difference between treason and a blow job.

[Wounded Bear]

13. Not in Repub eyes...

Of course for them, it wasn't about the oral sex, it was about perjury. Idk about you, but I learned to lie about sex at about 13/14 years old.

But still, is treason and selling our country to the Russians worse than perjury? I think so.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. We are a very long way away from impeachment, especially with the GOP

controlling Congress. I think one reason Clinton's approval ratings improved was because the whole exercise was so obviously and ridiculously political. No serious person thought lying about a bj should be on a list of high crimes and misdemeanors, but the House approved articles of impeachment, by a very narrow party-line vote (assisted by a few Democrats), probably so their constituents understood that presidents shouldn't be cavorting with interns. During the trial itself there was a lot of speechifying about what a terrible threat to the Republic it was that the president was a guy who lied when asked if he was cheating on his wife. Of course, it also came out that a number of members of Congress were getting a little on the side, too; and I think it was the hypocrisy and foolishness of the whole sorry exercise that left Clinton looking a lot better than Congress at the end.

Obviously this is a whole 'nother can of worms, much more like Watergate than the Clinton impeachment. Nixon left office with a 25% approval rating even though he won the '72 election by a landslide, and his reputation never did recover. If he hadn't resigned first the full House almost certainly would have impeached him; the Democrats held 60 seats in the Senate in 1974, so he might have been convicted as well. Still, some GOPers remained strong Nixon supporters. With the GOP controlling the current Senate, even though not by much, it would be a tough fight - unless something like the "smoking gun" tape turns up. That's what made Nixon's impeachment a possibility. So, the evidence isn't in yet, and everything could change.

[dixiegrrrrl]

10. Sex in the Oval office in no way can be compared to TREASON!

Clinton was well liked before Monica, and still is.
There is no favorable comparison between him and Trump.

[pnwmom]

14. Of course not. But the numbers are completely against us.

We are nowhere close to getting half of the Senate Republicans to convict.

[murielm99]

11. Remind our fellow DU members of this

every time they criticize Nancy Pelosi for saying impeachment is "off the table" or "not on the table," or whatever new phrase they are using to call our leaders spineless.

This has to be a sure thing. Or, it has to be so bad that the republicans go to 45 to tell him it is time to resign, the way Goldwater et. al. did with Nixon.

[YCHDT]

12. Yea, best Mueller take his time for the next for years ...

[David__77]

15. I disagree.

Trump is not Bill Clinton. Some might have personally disliked Bill Clinton and still approved of his performance. Most people personally dislike Trump. I believe he was elected "in spite of."

[pnwmom]

16. Do you disagree with the fact that we would need

the votes of half the GOP Senators to convict him in the Senate? And that we aren't even close to that yet?

[David__77]

17. I don't disagree that conviction requires Republican votes.

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