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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor those of you who watched the Watergate documentary...
... I think we need to give a major recognition to Eliot Richardson and Bill Ruckelshaus for refusing to fire the special prosecutor during the Saturday Night Massacre.
Catmusicfan
(816 posts)misanthrope
(7,418 posts)The ones who think they're informed might know about Woodward and Bernstein because they watched a feature film. However, there's a lot more to it than that and "All the President's Men" glosses over the majority of the scandal, two years' worth of it.
Most think the transgressions were discovered and everyone performed due diligence. They don't know that the entire thing was pretty touch and go for a long time and nothing was a "sure thing" until all the votes in the House Impeachment Committee were finally logged.
The scariest part of it is that Washington then was more bipartisan and less polarized than it is now. Even then, it took massive voter blowback along with some convincing of reluctant conservatives to get to the point Nixon was convinced to resign. With the current environment within the Beltway, it's going to be far less likely Congress will even form an impeachment committee much less vote for sending anything on to the Senate.
Catmusicfan
(816 posts)Will do when the truth finally is revealed.
misanthrope
(7,418 posts)and still remember the daily television coverage. I didn't understand too much at first but MAD magazine of all things got me up to date in quick order. By the time Nixon left office, I was in step with everything going on, deleted expletives and all.
Catmusicfan
(816 posts)PJMcK
(22,037 posts)When President Nixon resigned in 1974, I was 16 and followed the news closely. At that time, I was considering a career in journalism and when I saw the political satires in MAD, I realized that comedy can be a very powerful medium for messaging.
Isn't it interesting that some of the best coverage and commentary about today's politics are on comedy shows?
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)they just refuse to accept it. It's "fake news" to them, because the Orange Blimp told them so. How sad is it when people won't even believe a reputable media source, because the truth will bury their "leader"?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)read (and own) plenty of books on the event.
I have been reading of Nixon since "The Making of the President: 1960."
Plenty of us Boomers are still alive. We remember the details.
misanthrope
(7,418 posts)but I just about guarantee if you stood on the street and stopped folks at random to ask them questions about what happened in Watergate, you might be disappointed at what they don't know.
I'm regularly appalled at the lack of history and civics knowledge I encounter in people and have been for decades now.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)He was an amazing observer and writer.
Since Richard Nixon lost the 1960 election, it's interesting to read Mr. White's later book, "The Making of the President: 1968" covering the year he won. The change in personality and tactics by the candidate presents a fascinating contrast.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Read the Woodward and Bernstein book. I taped the 20/20 and MSNBC documentary last night. Ill watch today and tomorrow. The movie condenses the timeline to move the story along. The book though?
They get hip deep in that shit. It was all fresh when they wrote it.
It also shows that sense of "someone is watching" and the feeling of being threatened those two - at that time - little pups were experiencing.
You will understand the awe at the "speed" our older DUers are expressing here.
You will understand them and their life experience with new eyes. Find them and search out their comments.
They know. They are a tremendous gift right now.
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)And I assume it's not.
BigmanPigman
(51,609 posts)I only got to see the last 15 min. at 7:45.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,609 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)I set the dvr to record on the Guide. It should have recorded the whole thing, but I think the guide reflected an hour-long program. I'm really pissed. It ended during Dean's testimony. There was nothing in the first hour about the Saturday night massacre.
me, too. Somehow my DVR knew and got the 2nd hour.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)I was suspicious that they could cover it in an hour. (8 - 9) It also appeared to say it was going to be repeated the next hour. So I set my DVR up to record it, in case I forgot to watch it. I soon realized it was going to be a 2 hour program and tried to get it to record the second half---just so I'd have the whole thing. My DVR would not set it to record. So I just watched the whole thing.
Interesting to get refreshed on the names and the time order of events.
Wonder if tRump bothered to look? There were lessons to be learned, if he had bothered to watch. Of course, what's done is done, so he can't fix any of that. But he could spare us all a long drawn out investigation by just resigning and getting the hell out of Dodge....er....DC. Not that I expect him to ever do the right thing....not gonna happen.
Rhiannon12866
(205,467 posts)It also looked to me like it was an hour - then repeated. But I tuned in and watched the while thing - which they couldn't have covered effectively in only an hour, I agree. I thought it was very well done and I learned quite a lot. And I also wondered if Trump was aware if it, but I'm guessing not. He has no interest or awareness of history, much to his detriment, and he was an adult back then. Not exactly a desirable quality for a POTUS, especially one who follows a constitutional scholar.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)was off, but I suspect some of their customers who tried to record it were a little miffed.
I was a young adult when Watergate happened. (25) I was aware of what was happening, although not politically too savvy. I did know enough to watch the hearings and so I remembered the majority of the players if not all the details. I remember that John Dean was redeemed for his part mainly because he didn't go along with the others who tried to make it all go away. When his turn to testify came, he didn't weasel out but told what he knew. I suspect that is why he is allowed on the shows today to give his take on trump's situation.
I wouldn't mind an update on what happened to the rest of the people in the whole thing. The burglars, the Presidential aides, the Senators, etc. I know some served prison time or faded from the limelight. But a thorough explanation of the aftermath would be enlightening.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)mahina
(17,668 posts)I checked the guide but don't see it, and I'd like to see it next time. THanks very much.
Greywing
(1,124 posts)so there is no reference to what is currently happening. What was creepy is an observance that each generation thinks they are the only generation that has had such a terrible presidency, but it has happened before and will happen again and perhaps the next presidential scandal would be worse than the Watergate scandal. I was 16 at the time of Watergate and thought it was so bad that it would never be allowed to happen again. Boy, was I wrong ... and IMO Trump/Russia/Trump presidency is far worse than Watergate.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Hamlette
(15,412 posts)maybe its online
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)speech and his farewell talk to the White House staffers. Hard way to get a front row seat...
BigmanPigman
(51,609 posts)I only got the last 10 min tonight and then I checked to see if it was posted. I think it's the same one (or at least the last 10 min look like the part I was able to catch in time).
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)Last night was excellent for explaining it all to the American people and folks overseas who watched.
I think it gave them a chance to understand obstruction of justice and why the Con is in deep doo doo.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)rickford66
(5,524 posts)I was working full time. No cable TV. No newspaper subscription. I guess the network news was more comprehensive. We grew up with Cronkite and were used to real in depth news. So what I learned was from broadcast news, occasional reading papers and magazines and car radio. Also, there didn't seem to be such a political divide between me and my friends and co-workers. I was able to tolerate what would be right-wing nuts today. That has just gotten larger over the years. it did get me interested in politics and my first vote was for Carter at the age of 30. I know I should have voted earlier and I can understand how some people feel that their vote doesn't matter. I'm hoping that the Trump era wakes up enough non-voters.