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malaise

(269,182 posts)
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 08:56 PM Jun 2017

However true the exit poll, this is already Jeremy Corbyns night

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/08/exit-poll-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-british-voters
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Last modified on Friday 9 June 2017 01.17 BST

And just like that, the world turned upside down.

Just a few short weeks ago Theresa May set out to grind her divided opposition into dust with a snap election whose express purpose was to deliver a crushing majority. Few would have bet against her doing so. Even three weeks ago, when her 20-point lead started to narrow, she still gave every impression of cruising towards a comfortable victory. Hours before the exit poll, gloomy Labour MPs were still predicting a bloodbath. Gossip about putative leadership candidates’ campaigns was starting to spread. Resignations were expected.

Well, forget all that. If tonight’s exit poll forecasting no overall Conservative majority is right – and the crucial cautionary note is that in 2015 its predecessor did underestimate the scale of David Cameron’s victory – then tonight is Jeremy Corbyn’s night, and May could yet become the shortest-lived British prime minister in half a century.

Imagine how they’ll be poring over this exit poll in Paris, Brussels and Berlin

At best she can expect to be returned as prime minister on a slender majority, facing the full wrath of a party that was confidently expecting nothing less than a demolition of Corbyn, and a free pass to do as it liked. At worst, she will have thrown away her predecessor’s hard-won majority for nothing – one imagines crockery is currently being thrown with some violence chez Cameron – and won’t even have the lifeline of a coalition with the Liberal Democrats to fall back on, since Tim Farron has made clear he isn’t going down that road again.
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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
1. I think it's the Trump effect
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 09:02 PM
Jun 2017

And should also create a stir in the USA. Until now, Corbyn was thought to be too far left to have popular appeal.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
7. I read today that there was youth vote suppression going on.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 09:40 PM
Jun 2017

I think it was at Buzzfeed. Lots of uni kids unable to vote because the voter rolls were messed up.

Makes you go Hmmmmmm, doesn't it?

still_one

(92,418 posts)
8. The youth vote doesn't mean it was because of trump IMHO. The youth vote wasn't happy with
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 09:41 PM
Jun 2017

the BREXIT results. That is why I made my comment malaise. I believe that the Torries were unable to secure a majority in parliament is a reflection of BREXiT remorse.

2018 will be our chance with trump and the republicans




malaise

(269,182 posts)
9. Not only that - Corbyn promised college education
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 09:47 PM
Jun 2017

and meals in schools and the youths were pro-Corbyn.
Labour had great ads as well.

still_one

(92,418 posts)
10. From what I have heard on Bloomberg and other news sources, the results took the
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 09:51 PM
Jun 2017

conservatives by surprise


malaise

(269,182 posts)
11. Well when she called the elections the Cons were leading by
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 09:54 PM
Jun 2017

20 percentage points.

They were dissing Corbyn big time - looks like a hung parliament.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
15. Labour is officially pro-Brexit
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 08:49 AM
Jun 2017

Last edited Fri Jun 9, 2017, 09:33 AM - Edit history (1)

With an emphasis on "different negotiating priorities," i.e. jobs.

This was was left wing populism being wildly popular with younger people, and the worst PM of any political stripe in generations.

Edit: Thatcher was clearly the worst PM, May the worst politician-PM.

still_one

(92,418 posts)
16. The Labor Party campaigned against BREXIT in the referendum
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 09:23 AM
Jun 2017

The impression I had was labor voters did not agree with Corbyn's position on BREXIT

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39665835

VOX

(22,976 posts)
2. Maybe the Brits learned something from America's blunder.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 09:07 PM
Jun 2017

Nationalism is a disease and a recipe for disaster. The U.S. is living a cautionary nightmare. If the Brits learned from that, or if they regret their Brexit vote, then that's a plus for them.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
4. If the end result is a dysfunctional minority or coalition government
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 09:23 PM
Jun 2017

the only person who won is Angela Merkel. The clock is running on Brexit and their could well be yet another election in less than six months.

For the second time in less than a year I am sitting in my office with about twenty other people watching the British blow their brains out.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,367 posts)
14. This is better than a Tory majority would have been
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 08:40 AM
Jun 2017

Far from "blowing our brains out" again, this us making it into ICU in one piece. There's still a small bit of hope. It would be better if Corbyn could have formed a government, but that was more unlikely.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
17. Any majority at all would have been better
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 03:15 PM
Jun 2017

The Brexit time table is already uncomfortably compressed and political instability isn't going to help that process.

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
12. But Teresa is claiming a mandate...
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 10:43 PM
Jun 2017

...because, whatever happens, the Tories will have a plurality of seats. That will, allegedly, give their rule "stability."


malaise

(269,182 posts)
13. She can claim what she wants
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 04:50 AM
Jun 2017

Hung parliament is the result. By the way the SNP also took a beating. The young folks voted for Labour.
As Corbyn said people rejected austerity.

Yesterday was a great day.

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