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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs it possible Trump and some of his associates are guilty of treason?
The United States of America was born in warfare, separating itself from the strongest military power on earth after eight years of fighting. From the beginning it pledged itself to peace but too often found itself in wars and armed conflicts, sometimes of its choosing and sometimes not. The United States has gone to war, declared or undeclared, twice with the United Kingdom, Germany and Iraq, and once with Japan, Italy, Spain, Mexico, Afghanistan, North Korea, North Vietnam and once within the country in the Civil War. . These wars, while bloody and costly, were never fought by enemies that had a realistic chance of destroying America.
True, Japan did attack the territories of Hawaii and Alaska, and British troops burned an unfinished Washington, D.C.. And in our Civil War Americans destroyed a significant part of their own country, but there was never any real danger of German or Italian troops marching through the bombed ruins of our cities. It was as Abraham Lincoln said in an 1838 speech: Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years.
There is one country the United States has faced for decades but never directly fought in a formal war. Russia, in its former state of the Soviet Union or its present form of neo-imperialist state under the de facto dictatorship of Putin, was our opponent in the long struggle of the Cold War and remains our fiercest and most dangerous adversary. What makes Russia different from any foe the United States has ever faced in its history is that Russia alone of all of them could actually destroy America. China and North Korea could inflict damage as the forces of Islamic terrorism already have, but only Russia has the power to destroy us in a conflict.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/is-it-possible-trump-and-some-of-his-associates-are-guilty-of-treason/
Possible?! It's very highly PROBABLE tRump and his associates are traitors. Why do you think we call him Traitor Trump?
Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)It's not just possible. It is, to me, highly probable.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)That's how probable it is that Trump and his entire cabal are traitors to our nation.
meow2u3
(24,774 posts)Is water wet?
Does a bear shit in the woods?
Does a cat pee in a litterbox?
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)with the orange anus in the lead shackle.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)are sanctions against them enough?
We've been deliberately, blatantly and repeatedly cyber-attacked by "our fiercest and most dangerous adversary"
WTF are we going to do about it?
Grammy23
(5,815 posts)to know EVERYTHING that happened to bring tRump together with Putin, plus all the others in the republican camp who hitched up with tRump.
The slow drip, drip, drip of information and speculation is killing me (and I dare say, a fair number of people here at DU). Someone early on when things began to ooze out said it is like putting together a jigsaw puzzle. First, you do the edges---the borders. Then you get the harder task of filling in the main body of the puzzle. We are still working on the borders as the people caught up in this mess start being revealed.
It is quite a tale. Just thinking how it will be treated in the history books of the future. Guess that depends on what we learn in the coming days and months. Stay tuned....
jmg257
(11,996 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)onenote
(42,769 posts)Jacquette
(152 posts)It has to. They are (sorry no better word) punking us. And laughing about it. That flat faced fk is laughing. In that interview with MK his eyes were practically dancing. We cannot fix the damage and just let them get away with this. Hell no.
It will have to be a World War. Europe, Canada, Australia. Bottle them up and isolate them. And the draft...unavoidable. An all volunteer military is over.
And the sons of bitches who brought us to this...
Initech
(100,104 posts)And that is becoming more of an inevitability at this point. It's scary what is happening out there and what the GOP is doing and is able to get away with. But I feel as if the whole republican party was in on the coup, and the more the pieces are revealed, the more it seems that way, and it would take a war to unseat them and get them behind bars where they belong. It's getting uglier and uglier.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)It makes sense to try to avoid the use of the term, both for the legal reason that is instantly vomited forth ('we arent at war with Russia') and for the more politically motivated reasoning that such talk without a clear prosecutorial justification is akin to hysteria and weakens the anti-Trump position.
However, if it is determined that the Russian cyberattacks were 'acts of war' any proven incidents of Trump collusion, whether before or after the attack, could indeed be defined as treason. This is true whether war was formally declared or not. To help determine whether the attacks were acts of war, we would want to know it was Russian military intelligence that conducted them (which we know definitively thanks to Reality Winner), and that they considered it an act of war. To this end, remember that the Russians have charged more than one member of their IC with treason, reportedly for assisting the US in the aftermath of the Russian cyberattacks. So both of those requirements are met.
For an example of this line of thinking, see Shattuck's December piece in the Boston Globe. It's not the prevailing consensus, but he is not the only one thinking along these lines. If and when the political expediency of avoidance of the word 'treason' is no longer determinant, the term and the concept will re-emerge at the center of this conspiracy.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,721 posts)Semantic difference really, but they're still criminals.