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MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 10:54 AM Jun 2017

Throwing Pasta on the Wall,

That don't bother me at all...

Like most people, I'm impatient for news about the next disaster Trump leads himself into. I can hardly wait to learn what new stupidity he has gotten up to. These days, through, it can be hard to tell the actual news from another phenomenon that is sweeping the Internet. As impatience grows to be rid of Trump and his toadies, a number of clever people who have the ability to write grammatical sentences and use vocabulary pertinent to politics and international affairs have set up shop on the Internet.

Working tirelessly on Twitter and miscellaneous blogs, they're providing the red meat people are looking for. You can find all the "latest news" on the Trump/Russia scandal at their Twitter feeds and blogs. They're weaving exciting tales that relate, in some way, to the news we're all looking for about the final straw that breaks Trumps back.

And, almost universally, that information is false. It's a construct of the internal thinking of those who are posting this stuff. They put random stuff together, gleaned from both the news and other random blogs and twitter feeds and come up with shocking information that helps people satisfy their need for negative Trumpery.

These sources are full of secrets, sources that can't be named and fanciful speculations written as if they were actually true. The "Big Story" comes out and gets people all excited and then they move on to the next "Big Story." In the meantime, yesterday's and a week ago's "Big News" somehow never makes it into mainstream news outlets.

That's because it's bullshit. Once in a while one of the speculations these people write actually ends up being correct. And that, of course, means that people think everything they write is correct. In our eagerness to find the dirt on Trump and his minions, we're all too ready to accept whatever pasta these folks throw on the wall to see if any of it sticks.

Is the pasta ready? Well, throwing it against the wall is the wrong way to find out. Instead, put your fork in the boiling water and fish out a piece. Let it cool for a few seconds and then bite into it. Is it ready? Is it how you like it? Then, it's time to drain it and sauce it and enjoy your meal. The pasta on the wall? Well, you can clean that up later, but it won't tell you if it's ready. That's the wrong way to test pasta. Try eating it. That's why you're boiling it in the first place, right?

Here's the thing: Every major news outlet has teams of people trying to get the jump on the other news outlets. They'll break the real stories as soon as they are corroborated and confirmed. They're in a hurry to do that, too. Wait. Watch. Eat your news fully cooked and sauced. It's better than the pasta stuck to that wall.

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Throwing Pasta on the Wall, (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2017 OP
Well stated. I always knew I was in the home of a bad cook Warpy Jun 2017 #1
Thanks for the reply! MineralMan Jun 2017 #2
not a very self-aware piece bigtree Jun 2017 #3
OK. MineralMan Jun 2017 #4
obviously not 'whatever I say' bigtree Jun 2017 #5
What I write is opinion. It's based on whatever information MineralMan Jun 2017 #7
"Throwing Pasta on the Wall" BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #6

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
1. Well stated. I always knew I was in the home of a bad cook
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 11:21 AM
Jun 2017

when I saw evidence of pasta on the wall. If it sticks, it's overdone, people. You want it al dente and for that you need to taste it.

I've taken a large step back from most news. While my WaPo subscription on my tablet is often comforting to read, I take its anti Asshole stories with a large block of salt. I don't do Twitter "news" at all and I'm not on Farcebook. I avoid broadcast news like the plague it is. What I do watch is what the courts and Congress are doing, because if they've slapped him down or stymied one of his pet programs, it means the system is still working and that's important.

Hearing bafflegabbers on broadcast news breathlessly reporting every silly thing he's said or done is fatiguing, to say the least. So is reading Twitter feeds of people who think they're scooping each other. Let me know if this moron has actually managed to do anything rather than just bluster about it, otherwise leave me alone.

Oh, he's damaged our reputation abroad and made our allies realize he's not trustworthy and that the US won't be until he's gone, and maybe not even then. That's going to be tough to rebuild, that trust between allied nations.

However, he's only been able to threaten us with the worst so far. Even withdrawing from the Paris Accords will take over three years to accomplish and the next guy will most likely be sensible enough to rejoin.

Right now, he's just throwing shit on the wall to see if it will stick. Most of it hasn't.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
5. obviously not 'whatever I say'
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:07 PM
Jun 2017

...but you make a good point.

News and information, especially political news isn't as static as you suggest. Most news is the product of the different ways we discover, share, and digest info. Even after there's consensus among major news outlets, there's still room for dissent, and conjecture plays an important role in driving investigations - many probes actually initiated on the basis of flimsy reports.

Waiting for the end of the process of dissemination to give a report your full attention seems foolish and far too trusting of networks and media establishments which have proven themselves compromised by their benefactors and have shielded, downplayed, or omitted important stories and info when it suited their agenda.

What I was responding to was your disdain for internet writers, apparently blissfully unaware of your own efforts in that regard. Aside from these lecturing posts, you've been known to type out an opinion piece or two, complete with the type of conjecture you suggest folks disregard in favor of some MSM consensus report.

I'm thinking you're probably like most of us, validating news you agree with, and dismissing reports you disagree with. What's absurd to me is suggesting the collective conclusions of institutionally incestuous media outlets is necessarily superior to 'twitter feeds and blogs,' sources you readily admit you give comparatively little of your attention.

This prescription of yours is a media mogul's dream; homogenized news for the incurious masses.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
7. What I write is opinion. It's based on whatever information
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 01:12 PM
Jun 2017

I have and trust. I don't pretend to report news at all. Sometimes I write satire, which is obviously not news. Sometimes I make predictions, which are clearly not news. Mostly, though, I express my opinion online. I make it very clear that what I write is just my opinion, and that the opinions of others might differ from mine. That statement is at the bottom of every post I make on DU.

I like news, but I expect it to be reported factually and that it be based on actual information from actual sources who would know that information or on actual personal collection of that information. Speculation does not qualify as news. Actual falsehoods do not qualify as news. Pretending you know something you don't know does not qualify as news.

News is information, accurately reported. It doesn't matter whether or not I agree with it. If it is factual, that's irrelevant. If it's not accurate or is based on faulty information, then it is not news. It is something else.

News is not opinion. It is simply information. I will form my own opinions, based on that information. News is news. It's true. It's real. It's timely. It's news.

BumRushDaShow

(129,376 posts)
6. "Throwing Pasta on the Wall"
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:12 PM
Jun 2017

The first time I had ever heard of doing something like that was during the "Honey Boo Boo" craze and I finally broke down and watched part of a youtube clip of one of the episodes... And that episode showed them doing that.

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