Brennan: "frequently,those who go along a treasonous path do not even realize they're along

[geek tragedy]

that path until it gets to be a bit too late."

Hmmmm.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/23/politics/john-brennan-house-intelligence-committee/

[CincyDem]

1. Everyone with a WH employee pass should be saying the same thing. "Hmmmm..." n/t

[geek tragedy]

2. they should be saying "anyone know a good white collar criminal defense lawyer in DC?

asking for a friend."

[emulatorloo]

6. WH folk who aren't involved should certainly quit their jobs ASAP

[geek tragedy]

8. if they have principles and judgment, sure.

but then again, if they had principles and judgment, they wouldn't be serving the orange filth

[Madam45for2923]

3. Maybe: do a couple favors or accept a couple favors and find yourself swooped in.

Once swooped in, things can escalate to the PONR. Then you prob. tell yourself "F it" and you just go for it.

[geek tragedy]

4. once they have you doing something illegal, they own you nt

[Madam45for2923]

12. You find yourself in a vicious circle! Yes they groom you for your own downfall.

[hedda_foil]

27. What's PONR?

[Madam45for2923]

29. Point of no return.

[hedda_foil]

32. Thanks!

[unblock]

5. yeah i dunno treason always seemed like a pretty bright f*cking line to me....

[geek tragedy]

7. traitors are cultivated, they rarely just bloom without any tending.

starts off with seemingly harmless contacts, and then gradually they get the target to do something embarrassing, then something borderline illegal, then something illegal, then the target can't back out.

[unblock]

10. i get that, but they know damn well when they do it exactly what it is.

maybe it's an unpleasant choice if their handler has enough leverage over them, but they still know damn well that what they're doing is treason.

[geek tragedy]

17. not necessarily, they may think that sleazy Russian guy offering rubles

is just a Mafioso instead of a Putinista.

[nycbos]

9. A witness at a past hearing mentioned that

one of the tactics the Russians use is to use unwitting pawns.


That could be the case for some of these people.

Of course in someone ways that makes it worse. It would
Mean they are too incompetent to realize that they aren't pulling their own strings.

[unblock]

11. they're not that stupid. they are certainly that unethical, though.

i strongly suspect they didn't give a crap about laws barring foreign money/influence in election.
they saw money, they saw help, they took it.

that's not ignorance of the law, that's contempt for the law.

[Kentonio]

18. Haven't you been watching these guys?

They certainly appear to be that stupid.

[unblock]

23. they know enough to lie about these things

yeah, they're incredibly inept, that's for sure.

but benedict donald's done things like deny having any dealings with russians for a long time.
why would he do that unless he know it was a bad thing?

being inept and ignorant doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing is wrong or criminal.

[Kentonio]

24. I'd expect him to know it was bad

But it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he ended up doing a load of crooked business, got his 'friends' to help him in the election, and only now is realizing what a giant flaming bag of crap he's got himself into. The man is borderline moronic.

[unblock]

25. nope. i'm not offering him that life raft.

stupid, sure. but unaware that his action were criminal?

no way. in fact, i think that's a big part of the appeal.

[Kentonio]

26. I didn't mean it as an excuse for him

I think he's been knowingly breaking the law and screwing people over for decades. I just wouldn't be surprised if he didn't realize how big these one were. Justice will be served either way hopefully!

[nycbos]

19. I didn't say it was a large possibility.

[ATL Ebony]

15. It was nothing but pure unmitigated greed!

Since Rs control Congress & WH they probably assumed they'd just cover for DT, he'd also cover for them. Then steamroll and block Dems at every turn and then get away scott free -- but none of them, not one of them, can claim ignorance ("I didn't know&quot . They're all a bunch of lying, greedy SOBs.

[Wounded Bear]

13. It's worse than that...

many of them are convinced that they are acting patriotically and will be difficult to be convinced otherwise.

All of this "I want my country back" whining from a bunch of cretins who shouldn't be allowed ownership of a dangerous motor vehicle who think it is their country to define and control are the problem. Trump, in many ways, is simply the symptom of a deeper disorder.

[L. Coyote]

14. LIVE: Former CIA director John Brennan testifies before House Intelligence Committee

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[L. Coyote]

16. C-SPAN May 23, 2017 Russia and the 2016 Elections Former CIA Director John Brennan testified

https://www.c-span.org/video/?428636-1/former-cia-director-saw-intelligence-information-warrant-investigation

WEIRD - starts with a prayer! Is this a government or a religion?

Link to tweet

[bdamomma]

21. I really don't think

prayers can help them!!

[Boomerproud]

22. Re Gowdy: How did that weasel get anyone but his family to vote for him?

I know, I know, he has an "R" after his name...tragic.

[Sanity Claws]

20. He used the word treason

Not too many have explicitly used that word.

[dalton99a]

31. Yep.

[arthritisR_US]

28. He neglected to mention that ignorance of the law is

not a defence and the individual is still guilty of the offence.

[Johnny2X2X]

30. This should be the headline

Brennan calls Trump campaign possibly Treasonous. That is huge and people like Brennan don't use the word without great thought.

[MyNameIsKhan]

33. I donot think trump did not know he is on treasonous path when he colluded with Russians