Those superior attitudes were there long ago- why I got fired once :D

[luvMIdog]

The restaurant I waited tables at would get this church group every Wednesday. They would fill up a waitresses entire section and run her ragged. They did not tip. None of them did. They would ruin the waitresses income for that day as she wasn't able to seat other customers that tipped.
They were in my section one Wednesday night and this one lady said this when I handed her her separate check ( they all always asked for separate checks) " I don't believe in tipping. None of us do, so I'm not going to tip you. You should have been smart enough to get a job that pays a decent salary. " As she was leaving she left a paper on the table for me which was called something like 'How to attain salvation.". I dunno I just snapped. I picked it up and yelled before she could reach the door " Hey lady take this little paper and shove it up your ass!" Uhmn .. I got fired. It was worth it. That was over 20 years ago, but I see those smug attitudes of the haves for the have nots have not changed a bit. I bet wherever that woman is she voted for Trump.

[lunasun]

1. what was wrong with the owner? if they come in a group like that 20% gratuity on their bills

separate checks or not... now it' not a tip church lady its a gratuity charge . what you don't have gratitude church lady? Sinner!

[luvMIdog]

3. the manager wouldn't do that. He was only concerned with restaurant profit

[lunasun]

5. best you left . glad you got to tell the lady off first

[luvMIdog]

6. yeah that felt good. It was worth job hunting :D

[Sucha NastyWoman]

2. Where did this occur?

Guess I have a fear that this is my mother"s group of church friends. This is just exactly how they act.

She actually berates me for tipping too much. And she has never been a wealthy woman, just a religious zealot.

[luvMIdog]

4. It was in Houston Texas

[Sucha NastyWoman]

63. Any chance getting more specific would mean The Woodlands/Conroe/Spring area?

Do you know if this was a Methodist church group?

[luvMIdog]

65. I worked all over Houston & left there so many years ago I can't remember where

I don't know what denomination they were. I know they were evangelical. I've never had a Methodist preach at me yet.

[lunasun]

7. does it say something in the bible about tipping not tipping tipping too much?

I'm trying to figure out where religion and tipping habits come together

[luvMIdog]

9. not that I'm aware of. They like to make their own interpretations ;)

[mwooldri]

34. Luke 10:27. Part B.

‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

Somehow I think the OP understood this message better than those proselytizing their version. Then put it into practice.... got 'em fired.... seems like the boss didn't understand the message either.

I'm sure if I really got reading I could find more related to restaurant tipping. But Luke 10:27 are the "Two Commandments" of the Christian faith, and Part B is something that should apply to everyone irrespective of religious belief.

[lunasun]

35. That's not about tipping & the church lady could say her track left at the table instead of a tip

was an act of love to bring her neighbor, the waitress, a clearer path to salvation.
No other tip needed road to salvation is a big one
If you have time can you tell me is that 10% tithing to a church also in the bible ? In a way it seems like it would not be enough.
I thought there was a part where Jesus said to give away all your money and follow him or something . I do not know that is why I ask where the exact amount of 10% came from in the bible I hear many say that is the true tithing amount of your income to donate

[karynnj]

38. It is there in the old testament - as early as Genesis

It was to support the Temple.

[mwooldri]

39. True, Bible has nothing on tipping. Tons on tithes though.

Starting with Genesis 14:19-20, Abram gave God a tenth... and it goes on from there. I'm sorry I have not the time nor skill to get into a bible quotation session but I'll leave this link about tithing I found on Google...
http://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/tithing-in-the-bible/

But still... if I were working as wait staff at a restaurant and I did good work I'd expect a tip, as this is custom here. So I tip. That's why I quoted Luke 10:27. The "church lady" who didn't tip in my opinion didn't live up to this expectation.

[lunasun]

41. Thanks I was asking about where the tithing percentage comes from . Thank you for the reference

I will jus add there are cheap assholes of all faiths and no faith.
They all have their money based excuses not to tip but so many will surround it with some ideological bs to not just look like a miser

[get the red out]

8. I hate these people

Seriously, all of them, despise them.

[luvMIdog]

10. they ARE hard to like that's for sure

[Hortensis]

50. Well, you do realize the vast majority of "church" people

are not like that, right? In fact, this would seem to be a pretty unusual church group--maybe from one a very large church with a bunch of its most awful members gathered in one clique?

Normally when people relate these stories, it's usually one "awful" person, two at most, and they're depicted as conservatives, not religious people.

Btw, "hate" "all of them"? That sounds alarmingly like something hard-core conservatives might say about Democrats.

Scary thought that we could be in danger of adopting their behaviors. Gives a sinister meaning to "normalizing" them.

[get the red out]

55. I said THOSE people

Not "Church" people.

The idea that hating any group of Christians means I am a bad liberal who hates every last one of them is false.

But hey, I need to be a nice girl and love them all just the way they are! (Living in a red state of FAIL, not happening).

[Hortensis]

60. Good redefining. Keep it up?

[get the red out]

61. I might as well have gotten the lecture

as anyone else I suppose. Someone had to get it.

BTW, I HATE THOSE PEOPLE, LOLOL!

[jaysunb]

62. excellent ! n/t

[JoeStuckInOH]

11. Print up some menus with 15-25% inflated prices.

If they comment on the price change just tell them, "The restaurant has changed their employment policy to offer the wait staff fair wages and now the establishment does not expect nor accept tips from patrons. I guess a handful of restaurants around the nation have been switching to this system and it works out well. Are you ready with your orders?"

If they leave? great. Go attend to patrons worthy of waiting on.
If they pay, you just got a tip.
And either way, they learn a lesson.

At the very least, I think that group of people would provide ample opportunity for "cigarette breaks".

[luvMIdog]

14. the manager should have looked out for us. He was a moron

[JoeStuckInOH]

21. I'm surprised none of your wait peers stepped up for you or walked out w/ you.

I worked in a McDonald's once upon a time. Manager at that location was a total douche. Someone got disrespected and left... the rest of us left. This was at like 5AM right before opening leaving the manager to basically cook, assemble, take orders and clean until replacements arrive.

I showed up a week later for my last paycheck.

[Phoenix61]

12. As a fellow waitress told me once about that group

God gets 10%, you ain't going to get any more than that. But my fav is when they would seat their children at a separate table and let them run wild, throwing ketchup covered French fries all over the place. Yeah, Wednesday nights sucked.

[luvMIdog]

13. don't forget covering the place in cracker crumbs and kids barf hahaha

[Tanuki]

15. What a horrible group of people. They justified their exploitation of you

by a smug pretense of "not believing in tipping." Whether or not one believes that the tipping system is ideal, we all know that it is a fact of life in our country and that server wages take tipping for granted. In my view, failing to leave at a bare minimum a tip of 15% even for mediocre service (and I always leave substantially more, having worked as a waitress in the past) is tantamount to theft of services. Those people should have been ashamed of themselves for ripping you off, but of course they formed an echo chamber of rationalizing spitting on someone who was working hard to try to make ends meet. The clueless condescension of leaving you a piece of paper with a plan of "salvation", while demeaning you and showing you by word and deed how bereft of character and conscience they were, takes the cake.

[luvMIdog]

16. yeah I was maintaining my anger okay until I saw that 'salvation' tip she left LOL

[Lucky Luciano]

17. You should "accidentally" trip and spill scalding hot coffee on them.

[luvMIdog]

18. then they do a law suit and win lots of money. ;)

[Lucky Luciano]

23. ...and bankrupt the restaurant that treated you poorly!

Two birds one stone. They won't be able to collect too much and it would take years.

[TexasProgresive]

19. I guess they are the kind of "Christians" that discount the letter of James.

James 5:1-6
1Come now, you rich, weep and wail over your impending miseries. 2Your wealth has rotted away, your clothes have become moth-eaten, 3your gold and silver have corroded, and that corrosion will be a testimony against you; it will devour your flesh like a fire. You have stored up treasure for the last days. 4Behold, the wages you withheld from the workers who harvested your fields are crying aloud, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. 5You have lived on earth in luxury and pleasure; you have fattened your hearts for the day of slaughter. 6You have condemned; you have murdered the righteous one;f he offers you no resistance.

[luvMIdog]

20. just like the Trumpsters they have made their own cult-ish religion

[Generic Other]

32. I think this has just become my favorite new passage

Condemned by their own words.

[calimary]

47. Or Matthew 25: 35-45

35‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37“Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38‘And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39‘When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40“The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’
41“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ 44“Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ 45“Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

http://biblehub.com/context/matthew/25-35.htm

[Moostache]

53. The concepts of eternal torment and eternal life are inane and inhumane as well...

All of this religion and nonsense and smug feelings of superiority speak volumes of the inanity of religious beliefs of any stripe, but the core tenets of eternal torture from an "all-loving god" and eternal life from the same are truly stupidity writ large.

Eternal? Really? I often wonder if these people who are so fervent in their "salvation" have ever stopped to really consider what that would mean in real application. I wonder if they can recognize the poignancy of life and what makes it precious at all. It is NOT the duration of a life that makes it meaningful, worthy or beautiful. It is not the accumulation of things or the aggregation of power. It is not the ability to lord over others in reality or in make believe thoughts of the future. It is the temporal relationships that are built and maintained, nourished and grown. It is the positive impacts to family, friends and strangers that can make this life worthy, fulfilling and meaningful. None of which requires a fealty to the unseen or obedience to the unknown to achieve and cultivate.

I am in a very bad religion mood today following the senseless Manchester bombing. I truly hope there is a hell for those rotten bastards at the restaurant, because in a cosmic irony, the only way for there to be a "hell" (a worst possible place for eternity) for me would be to make me sit in heaven with THEM and their kind...I'd rather roast in hell than spend 5 minutes in their company.

[raccoon]

22. I'm glad you did that. I'd say it was worth it. What a horrible woman. nt

[cutroot]

24. Some people must enjoy spit in their food

The manager should have taken control of the situation. If there was not a sign stating a charge on groups, or if they avoided that by asking for separate checks, they should not have been seated together. You are far better off not working for bad management. I know that that is not always possible in this corporate oriented world.

It is hard to believe that they do not see the similarity of tipping and the collection plate in their church. If you could stand to go there one day and take advantage of the free coffee and donuts and then drop their little notes into the collection plate, I am sure someone would immediately take offense.

trump people? No Doubt

[sharp_stick]

25. I hear you

we used to get them every Sunday following the early service. Tearing up the brunch line, leaving a massive mess and zero tip.

Fortunately, I was mostly in the kitchen so I didn't have to deal with them too much unless one of them wanted to whine that the sausages were taking too long in coming out...Jesus dude you can't stuff 6 of them into your yap at once. Once someone complained that a new guy we had was taking too long making the Belgian waffles so I suggested that he try a salad. I don't think he got the insult.

We were lucky in that our manager would add a gratuity onto this when he could but then the cheap bastards would stagger their entrance to pretend they weren't together. I'd see them waiting in the parking lot so it would look better.

They would sometimes try proselytizing to the wait and bus staff but most of them quietly told them to go fuck themselves...with a much nicer choice of words.

[KPN]

26. The movie "The Help" comes to mind.

Bully for you. Way to stand up to those righteous assholes.

[whathehell]

27. What insufferable gaul..

Glad you did what you did.

[HuskyOffset]

33. gentle correction

I think you meant to type "gall", unless the people were iron age Celts.

[whathehell]

45. Congratulations

You caught me in a very rare spelling error.

[Ligyron]

28. Having been a member myself, I know first hand Christianity is a plague.

My family were Episcopalians and considered quite liberal too. Still, we were guilty of black and white thinking and feeling superior to our fellow citizens. This attitude is a hallmark of the Xian faith in general.

Going out to eat after mass was a treat and a tradition after fasting. We did, however, tip generously. After all, it's the "Christian" thing to do.

[whathehell]

49. Yes, most in the Western world, self included, are or have been.

Christianity is no more a 'plague" than most others,
and, I'd argue, less so than some.

[Ligyron]

51. Oh, absolutely.

I should have qualified this with "a plague in this country" meaning the USA. But there are degrees, from Buddhism to Islam and the Thugee cult.

[whathehell]

59. I believe

it's the Fundamentalists and Evangelical Christians who are the major problem in this country, frankly.

[lapislzi]

29. Look at it this way.

It was 20 years ago. Maybe she's dead. Hatefulness and greed shorten people's lives, in the main.

[Maggiemayhem]

30. The ones who leave tips inside tracts

Saying if you aren't attending church, you are a heathen. Oh, the dissonance. Evangelicals can be some of the rudest people on the planet, although many are instructed by their pastors nowadays to tip.

[smirkymonkey]

31. Good for you!

I can't stand their false piety and their hypocrisy. They are such greedy, selfish people.

[Dick Tracy]

36. Other possibilities

And of course, if you were on unemployment or state assistance, she would be mad because you didn't have a job. Been there, done that.

Dick Tracy

[TNNurse]

37. The wait staff has little power.

However, those people deserve very poor service. Very slow. As a nurse, I always made sure that patients got the attention and care they needed. I cannot deny that the sweet, kind and gracious ones got extra attention. You just wanted to spend more time with them.

[LittleGirl]

40. I was a waitress

back in the early 80s too. I worked at a couple of places that had those church people (that's what I called them back them) that wouldn't tip. All of us waitresses took turns getting them so that not one waitress was stuck with them every Wed or Sun. Those 'tracks' they leave instead are a true insult. We HATED those people.

And I was a church goer at the time!

[unblock]

42. but they're always happy to avail themselves of your services, though.

if they think waiting is a stupid job, they should stay at home and cook their own food.

how can they justify taking advantage, underpaying for food based on a sub-minimum wage serving rate that relies on tip income, and then not tip?

if waitstaff were paid "a decent salary", their food would cost more in the first place, yet they're happy to pocket the difference.

[IronLionZion]

43. Restaurants who value their employees put automatic gratuity on large groups

and even post a sign or print it on the menu. Usually about 18% or so.

There are many terrible people in this world. They have their beliefs and I have mine. I think karma will get them eventually in ways that we might never see or know about. They might literally go to hell.

I've worked in a restaurant as a dishwasher. No tips for me or even minimum wage but I was often told I don't deserve any better. I would never mess with someone who is bringing me food. If this group was doing this regularly, they would eventually get someone who is a little bit punitive. Terrible things have been caught on camera of restaurant workers punishing asshole customers.

Things were better when I moved up in the world to bag groceries.

[maddiemom]

44. Brings back a memory of having the same thing (getting fired) happen to me.

I was waitressing one summer at the Jersey shore and had a group of five or six couples come in and push tables together. They were very demanding and ran me ragged while I still had a couple of other tables to serve. Needless to say, they had a big bill. When they left, they tipped me ONE QUARTER. I went to the door and pitched the quarter after them. I was taking my apron off and saying "I quit" at the same time I was getting fired. Even better, I found I had family from home waiting in line outside to surprise me. I doubt that ignorant party is still around to vote for Trump, however, but I'm sure they voted for Nixon.

[heaven05]

46. overall

those fundies can be and in most cases are disgusting human beings hiding behind a book written by men, mainly, with an agenda geared towards control. American baptist-southern fundies are very bigoted, racist and using the bible as an excuse to be very mean and vicious to those who don't believe as they do and in most cases don't look as they do. AmeriKKKan KKKristianity is very racist...and still are. I still am smarting, periodically, from my run in with them when I was a 'devout' christian in the 80's....very racist, very unChristlike human beings.

I love the "shove it up your ass"..excellent

[dae]

48. Those were Xtians and like most of their modern day pro life contemporaries

they have as much in commom with Christ as a Satanist.
Glad you got to tell her off.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

52. I have heard from many people who work(ed) in restaurants

that the very worst customers are the Sunday after-church crowd. They tend to show up in herds, make a lot of demands, leave a messy table and tip little or nothing.

[TlalocW]

57. I started twisting balloons as a side job in Tulsa

Mainly parties as it was hard to find restaurants that wanted balloon twisters (there's a guy in Tulsa who's been twisting for a long time, and he's a jerk and has ruined it for other twisters, but that's another story). I had lived there for a while and was used to the insane religiousness of the place, but I never thought of it in terms of income until an indoor fun fair hired me to twist balloons and allowed me tips. I wouldn't have noticed how bad they were except the company asked me to do the same the following weekend in Oklahoma City, and OKC blew Tulsa out of the water - and none of those religious tracts that look like money. The owners asked me how I did, and I said something along the lines of, "Actually pretty good - a lot better than Tulsa," and one of them said, "No surprise. Most of the time, people in Tulsa have just finished giving their 10% to God and aren't going to part with anything they don't have to."

TlalocW

[Fantastic Anarchist]

54. How come I never encounter someone so hateful?

I don't doubt you, but the blatant crassness of it is rare in my world. I've seen hate, but it's usually very subtle. It's not unashamed wretched behavior that I see in many of these anecdotal stories. Again, to be clear, I don't doubt that they do happen. Is just that I never get to experience them. I would love to give them a piece of my mind.

*When I was younger, I ran around with some SHARP skinheads and anti-racist punks. Of course, we went looking for and encountered many of the NAZI boneheads. But this was a subculture, and we were actively seeking the racists. This wasn't in normal everyday living where this occurred naturally and/or passively aggressive.

[Blue Meany]

56. I've seen the same thing when I worked in restaurants, quite often...

They used to leave a pamphlet that looked like a folded dollar bill. No one wanted to wait on them because a lot of them were hard to please. And they tended to order next to nothing but occupy spaces for hours. One place I worked, the manager charged a set banquet fee, which included a tip, for groups like that.

[Doreen]

58. I do not understand people like this.

I do not have much money but when I go our I ALWAYS tip, well unless the waitress or waiter was rude and that I could probably count on one hand and I am 49 years old. If I do not have the money for a tip at the time I go back when I have the money find the person who waited on me apologize and give them their tip. For a lot of these waiters and waitresses this is a huge part of their income. I am angry that since the minimum wage went up to $15 some companies have made it so you can not give them a tip on the receipt. you need to have cash on you if you want to give them a tip. That is entirely shitty. Church people are the last ones who should be acting like that.

[JHB]

64. Ahh, the Pharisee Phorce: the features of the faces change, but...

...the "smug cheapskate" expression is eternal as all hell.

Which is where they'll end up, if you believe in that sort of thing. I'm hardly a bible scholar, but I'm don't really recall any passage about "Blessed are the petty assholes."

[Skittles]

66. one of the compliments I consider the greatest

is when a regular local waiter / waitress comes up to me in the grocery store to say hi and chat, on occasion even introducing me to family members, because I am one of their favorite customers

I have heard the stories about the church crowds from them - yes indeed.