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kpete

(72,018 posts)
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:46 AM Jul 2012

OBAMA Rips Mitt For "Abandoning a Principle"...because of "pressure for two days from Rush Limbaugh"

The Morning Plum: Obama rips Romney’s lack of principles
By Greg Sargent

Obama, in an interview with WLWT in Cincinnatti that’s set to air today, slammed Mitt Romney for flip flopping on whether Obamacare’s individual mandate is a tax:

“The fact that a whole bunch of Republicans in Washington suddenly said, this is a tax — for six years he said it wasn’t, and now he has suddenly reversed himself. So the question becomes, are you doing that because of politics? Are you abandoning a principle that you fought for, for six years simply because you’re getting pressure for two days from Rush Limbaugh or some critics in Washington?

“One of the things that you learn as President is that what you say matters and your principles matter. And sometimes, you’ve got to fight for things that you believe in and you can’t just switch on a dime.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-morning-plum-obama-rips-romneys-lack-of-principles/2012/07/06/gJQAdWecRW_blog.html
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OBAMA Rips Mitt For "Abandoning a Principle"...because of "pressure for two days from Rush Limbaugh" (Original Post) kpete Jul 2012 OP
Will Obama's Strategy Be To Link Romney to Limbaugh? Democat Jul 2012 #1
Or, alternatively, use the "If Mitt can't stand up to RUSH LIMBAUGH, how can we expect him to TrollBuster9090 Jul 2012 #19
I like it! tnvoter Jul 2012 #56
Etch a Sketch Kyad06 Jul 2012 #2
Mr Obama, ignore him. It'll get you better traction. DCKit Jul 2012 #3
Ask John Kerry how ignoring things works in a campaign. Democat Jul 2012 #7
Absolutely. Republicans have been very, very good at framing the narrative up until now, Chorophyll Jul 2012 #21
precisely arely staircase Jul 2012 #37
Except Kerry did NOT ignore the SBVT - that was a smear mostly from Clinton allies after he lost karynnj Jul 2012 #38
The Swift Boat ads The Wizard Jul 2012 #69
I agree - and that also suggest that even if Kerry would have used a large portion karynnj Jul 2012 #71
totally agree. barbtries Jul 2012 #42
Love it when people ignore facts politicasista Jul 2012 #52
Nonsense. 99Forever Jul 2012 #8
Alright, I concede. We can't let them own the stage. DCKit Jul 2012 #12
Michelle is First Lady, Barack is President nxylas Jul 2012 #14
Bingo. 99Forever Jul 2012 #18
Hit them smart. randome Jul 2012 #15
Agreed agent46 Jul 2012 #35
Why not literally? Bluzmann57 Jul 2012 #70
Link arms with them and sing Kum-ba-Yah, while you're at it. mac56 Jul 2012 #9
I guess you don't like President Obama dominating the talking points lunatica Jul 2012 #11
While I get your slam, you dissed our first lady too. DCKit Jul 2012 #13
I didn't call her an idiot lunatica Jul 2012 #26
Didn't like that one either, although strongly disagree on efhmc Jul 2012 #27
She's got a damn good reason to be an adoring clapper. DCKit Jul 2012 #34
Mr Obama, ignore him. AlbertCat Jul 2012 #20
No. Obama is correct in pointing out the hypnotic effect that Limbaugh has on JDPriestly Jul 2012 #24
While I'd like to think that ignore works.. it really doesn't. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #29
Very good analogy! maddiemom Jul 2012 #51
Interesting that people love politicasista Jul 2012 #53
I think Obama runs a better campaign than Kerry or Gore did…BUT NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Jul 2012 #66
The best defense is a good offense. klook Jul 2012 #36
Ignore hell... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #50
OK, y'all made your point, some more gracefully than others, but all good points. DCKit Jul 2012 #57
... politicasista Jul 2012 #58
Done. It was an education. nt DCKit Jul 2012 #59
Good n/t politicasista Jul 2012 #68
OMG Doctor_J Jul 2012 #60
I wish the debates were sooner.... cbdo2007 Jul 2012 #4
I hope they have a plan for this. Pres. Obama said that it wasn't a tax Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #5
Romney is a tool of the media? That's a nice little meme that could travel. Gold Metal Flake Jul 2012 #6
There he goes dominating the talking points again lunatica Jul 2012 #10
If Romney flip-flops because of pressure from Rush NewJeffCT Jul 2012 #16
He'll trip them! Or he'll push their faces into whipped cream, ala 3 Stooges, silly! n/t progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #30
Give Kim Jong a haircut? nt magical thyme Jul 2012 #31
The only way to fight back: paint the opponent as a puppet of our talking points media. Initech Jul 2012 #17
Now he's talkin!!! This is how to fight fire with fire. I like the new BO!!! nt nanabugg Jul 2012 #22
I was talking with ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #28
The link does not match the article described. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #23
Just like four years ago. JohnnyRingo Jul 2012 #25
There he goes again... pokerfan Jul 2012 #32
I hear ya Mr. President SHRED Jul 2012 #33
GObama madokie Jul 2012 #39
Mitt didn't flip-flop, he just thinks that the ruling is both a floor wax AND a dessert topping nt MrScorpio Jul 2012 #40
This is a perfect strategy. Blanks Jul 2012 #41
It is smart, but politicasista Jul 2012 #43
"No, Mr. Obama, it was not pressure from Rush Limbaugh, it was Bolo Boffin Jul 2012 #44
It's about G-D Time RockyMtnGuy Jul 2012 #45
Wouldn't Romney... Catch2.2 Jul 2012 #46
Why the hell is Mitt running? aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2012 #47
I think he likes the pomp and circumstance BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #49
Why the hell is Mitt running? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #67
excellent The Jungle 1 Jul 2012 #48
Excellent! Keep calling out the brainless ditto heads! Initech Jul 2012 #54
Didn't you know? Limpballs is the head of the Republican Party. He sits at the top of the Mountain. demosincebirth Jul 2012 #55
Bodyshot, bodyshot, bodyshot, uppercut Kennah Jul 2012 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author D23MIURG23 Jul 2012 #62
Damn Third Doctor Jul 2012 #63
OK lonestarnot Jul 2012 #65
It just further confirms what Grover Norquist said. magnifisense Jul 2012 #72

Democat

(11,617 posts)
1. Will Obama's Strategy Be To Link Romney to Limbaugh?
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:09 AM
Jul 2012

Limbaugh must be about as unpopular as he's ever been.

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
19. Or, alternatively, use the "If Mitt can't stand up to RUSH LIMBAUGH, how can we expect him to
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 12:02 PM
Jul 2012
stand up to (insert appropriate villain here)? meme

tnvoter

(257 posts)
56. I like it!
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:02 PM
Jul 2012

It's an excellent strategy -- plays to the flip-flopper image Mitt got painted with during the Republican primaries. So even Republicans can agree on this one...

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
3. Mr Obama, ignore him. It'll get you better traction.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:11 AM
Jul 2012

Your (wonderful) wife knows when to ignore people. Talk to her.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
7. Ask John Kerry how ignoring things works in a campaign.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:21 AM
Jul 2012

It's probably better to be out in front of everything and to set the narrative before the other guy does.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
21. Absolutely. Republicans have been very, very good at framing the narrative up until now,
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 12:13 PM
Jul 2012

which is how they've managed to stay in power despite being empty, out of ideas, and morally bankrupt. Time to grab back the narrative, and leave them with nothing.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
37. precisely
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 01:46 PM
Jul 2012

Staying above the fray and igoring your opponents' attacks is straight out of the Dukakis/Kerry playbooks. Bill Clinton and BHO taught us the right way to do it and we aren't going back.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
38. Except Kerry did NOT ignore the SBVT - that was a smear mostly from Clinton allies after he lost
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 02:43 PM
Jul 2012

The media for the most part colluded with the Republicans and condoned character assassinations of both John and Teresa Kerry.

Here is a PARTIAL list of Kerry and his team's reactions to the SBVT:

The campaign's immediate reaction to the August attack was to put out 36 pages listing lies and discrepancies in the book. That was done within ONE DAY of the book's emergence in August.(In 2008, the first reaction of the Obama team was to put out 41 pages on lies in Corsi's book.) This should have been sufficient to spike their attack. How many lies are people usually allowed when they are disputing the official record, offering nothing - not one Telex, photo, or record sent upward discussing Kerry as the problem portrayed in the book - as proof. They also later proved the links to Bush - in funding, lawyers, and in one case the B/C people were caught passing it out. In addition, Kerry surrogates including some of his crew, Rassman and Cleland countered it. (Like Kerry, Obama used surrogates against Corsi rather than respond himself)

That was far more proof countering the liars than the Clinton machine ever put out on anything. The problem was that it went to the media and they refused to play the role of evaluating who was telling the truth - the Washington Post's editor even saying they wouldn't. The broadcast media was worse. Would Obama have done as well if the networks and cable TV failed to give coverage to his speech on race in the furor over Reverend Wright?

Many Democrats, including Edwards who was asked to, did little. It wasn't that they had no ammunition to use. There was an abundance of proof - far more than would be typically available as they hit against a well documented official record. Even before the August re-emergence, the Kerry campaign had already provided the media with more than enough backup for them to reject the August attack out of hand.

It should also be mentioned that it was not Kerry's accounts they disputed, it was the NAVY's official record. Backing the NAVY account over the SBVT, Kerry had the following:

he had 120 pages of naval records - spanning the entire interval with glowing fitness reports - all given to the media and on his web site from April on. That alone should have been enough. (In addition to disproving the SBVT lies, these reports completely dispute the RW stereotype that Kerry was an elite snob - in EVERY position for about 4 years, it was noted how exceptional his relationship with his subordinates was and how intensely loyal they were to him. Tour of Duty also had accounts that Kerry rejected the way many officers treated their subordinates because it completely disgusted him. No Romney/Bush bully here.)

He had every man on his boat for every medal earned 100% behind him. That alone should have been enough.

He had the Nixon administration on tape (that they thought would never be public) saying he was both a genuine war hero and clean, but for political reasons should be destroyed. (SBVT O'Neil was one of those tasked to destroy Kerry in 1971.) That alone should have been enough.

He also was given a plum assignment in Brooklyn as an aide to a rear admiral. From the naval records, this required a higher security clearance - clearly his "employers" of the last 3 years (many SBVT) had to attest to his good character. That's just standard. That alone should have been enough.

The then secretary of the Navy (Republican Senator John Warner) said he personally had reviewed the Silver Star Award. That alone should have been enough.

Compare this list of proof to Carville & Co response on Clinton's Flowers or draft problems - this is far more comprehensive and completely refutes the charges. The Clinton responses in these two instances did not completely refute the charges - in fact, after changing his story a few times in each case - conceding that earlier statements were not completely true - parts of the charges were conceded. The difference was that in 1992 - even in the primary - Clinton was given breaks by a media that wanted him to win. The fact is that we KNEW in those two cases that he was willing to dissemble and scapegoat others when he was called on his actions - two things that later hurt his Presidency.

In any previous election, calmly and professionally countering lies by disproving them would have been the obvious preferred first step. It is only when there is no open and shut case (as there is here) that the candidate would try anything different.When this didn't work, Kerry did speak to the issue - and he did so before the Firefighters as soon as it was appear that the attack was beginning to hurt him. Many here - all political junkies didn't here this. Why? The media that gave a huge amount of free time to people they had to know were lying didn't think that it was important to give the Democratic nominees response air time. Now, it was - I think less than 2 minutes long - so there is no excuse.

As to Teresa, I am STILL often surprised to learn of major things she did through her foundation. Four quick major examples are:
Teresa through example with her offices and the buildings she funded or partially funded was key to making Pittsburgh one of the greenest big cities in the US. In addition, while doing this she initiated a coordinated successful effort by several Pittsburgh philanthropists to revitalize Pittsburgh which was in trouble in the mid 1990s. She has funded prototype programs for education in PA that have helped prove their value. The foundation with Corey Booker created a way to provide several types of needed medicines to low income people inexpensively. Yet during the campaign nothing was said of her accomplishments. In addition, as one who has seen her a few times at their book signings and at political events, she is a gracious, charming, softspoken woman, who is very very intelligence and who has a very good sense of humor.

In the 1990s, Teresa was always mentioned as beautiful (which she still is), intelligent and charming and a political asset to Heinz. Now consider that the media reported very little of this and instead created a caricature. Obviously the reason was to prevent what would have happened otherwise. If seen as she is, the fact that she married Kerry would have for some validated that he was a very good person. In fact, a PA transplanted Republican in my NJ county spoke of Kerry being the first Democrat she voted for - and the initial reason she considered doing so was " if Teresa married him he wasn't sleazy"

The Wizard

(12,548 posts)
69. The Swift Boat ads
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 06:15 AM
Jul 2012

were presented as news by the corporate media, thus lending legitimacy to the lie. People saw these ads on news broadcasts and as a result were more likely to believe them as truth. The actual ad buys for the SBVT were small. The corporate media used the ads as news to damage the Democratic candidate. So much for the liberal media.
The draft dodging AWOL deserter Bush was portrayed as a war hero and the war hero was portrayed as a traitor.
The propaganda we get as news comes right form the Goebbels Diaries. The old Soviet propaganda outlets,Pravda TAAS and Izvestia, could have learned a few tactics from the likes of ABC, CBS, NBC, Pox and CNN. We are the dumbest country on Earth by design.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
71. I agree - and that also suggest that even if Kerry would have used a large portion
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 12:21 AM
Jul 2012

of the money he had for the general campaign, it would have done little to help. His ads - citing the truth - would have been seen as ads - where the news was seen as the "neutral" source.

This was really outrageous when you think of the sacrifice made by the 25 year old Kerry, who certainly could have pulled strings to avoid risking his life/health in Vietnam. The galling thing was the Republicans claiming he was not "injured enough" . I remember the look Vanessa Kerry, now a doctor, had when those comments were made.

politicasista

(14,128 posts)
52. Love it when people ignore facts
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 08:49 PM
Jul 2012

(and the factual post fall on deaf ears)

People for some reason love to hate on Kerry, but praise B. Clinton and Obama.

Rove and the GOP love it when we eat our own.


Thanks a lot Cahill and Shrum. Thanks for making a decent dem be seen as the unofficial poster Dem for "not" fighting back and how "not to run a campaign."

Well, at least Obama knows/respects what a good surrogate Kerry is, guess we never, ever appreciate that.


JMHO

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
8. Nonsense.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:22 AM
Jul 2012

"Ignore them" gives them their power. We need to hit them HARD, fast, and repeatedly. And then kick them when they are down. (no, not LITERALLY, figuratively)

Coddling and letting them run their game when dealing with these these jerks only emboldens them.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
12. Alright, I concede. We can't let them own the stage.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:35 AM
Jul 2012

Even when they're so pitiful at it.

But you've got to admit, Michelle ignoring those RW hags about "her bare arms" worked well. I get a serious laugh every time that bring it up. They're obsessed with it beyond belief, and I can't help myself.

Oh, those nekkid arms. We love you Michelle, and don't ever want to see those arms covered up. You worked hard on those arms... a real role model.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
14. Michelle is First Lady, Barack is President
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jul 2012

There's a huge difference in what you can ignore when you're not in a role that requires you to fight for re-election.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
18. Bingo.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:54 AM
Jul 2012

As nice, beautiful, and wonderful as The First Lady is, her role in the battle, is at most secondary.

You cannot let Teathuglicans say ANYTHING that goes unanswered. That is exactly how they distort reality and make it stick.

If ever there was an example of "those that fail to remember history are condemned to repeat it" this is it.


 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. Hit them smart.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:43 AM
Jul 2012

That's what Obama does best. He knows when to pull his punches and he knows when to let them have it.

agent46

(1,262 posts)
35. Agreed
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 01:42 PM
Jul 2012

Obama needs to go MMA on Romney's ass and NEVER let up until November.

But that's not enough - they need to dominate with their ground game too. They have to spoil the Repubs plans for hacking the election - on the machines and in the districts.

Will they? Can they? It will require thinking outside the box.

Bluzmann57

(12,336 posts)
70. Why not literally?
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 08:10 AM
Jul 2012

Sorry, the repukes happen to bring out the worst in me. But kicking 'em when they're down literally wouldn't really do any good, but ooooohhhhh it would be enjoyable. By the way, I hope you understand that I am kidding. Sort of.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
11. I guess you don't like President Obama dominating the talking points
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:33 AM
Jul 2012

His wife is probably clapping her hands enthusiastically when you're not looking.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
13. While I get your slam, you dissed our first lady too.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:38 AM
Jul 2012

Do you actually think she'd be sitting by, clapping like an idiot for her husband? That was the last one. I generally respect you, but you went too far this time.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
26. I didn't call her an idiot
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 12:54 PM
Jul 2012

But obviously you think clapping about something her husband says makes her an idiot. I see it very differently and will continue to do so.

efhmc

(14,732 posts)
27. Didn't like that one either, although strongly disagree on
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 12:58 PM
Jul 2012

the idea of ignoring anything that reveal the sliminess of romney. Michelle is not an adoring clapper,

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
34. She's got a damn good reason to be an adoring clapper.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 01:39 PM
Jul 2012

just not an idiot clapper. Unlike the teabaggers, she's not an idiot... and she's kind of hot, too boot.

Smart AND attractive. How long has it been since we're seen that in a First Lady?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. No. Obama is correct in pointing out the hypnotic effect that Limbaugh has on
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 12:25 PM
Jul 2012

the fools that listen to him including Romney.

How many times have I heard people say that they hate Limbaugh but they listen to him. Why listen to someone you hate? Come on now. Be honest. People who cannot think for themselves listen to Limbaugh because he is a verbal bully and believing that they are on the right side of the big bully and know where he is coming from makes them feel safe.

Unfortunately, Limbaugh influences people through their subconscious fear mechanisms. And the fact that Romney is responding to Limbaugh suggests that he is a very fearful, insecure person who does not react rationally with strength and true conviction but rather reacts like a hunted animal to the roar of the lion.

Have you ever watched an animal run in terror from the lion's roar? (If it isn't too late already.) Limbaugh roars like a lion and the "leaders" of the right wing run like deers. Describes Romney perfectly.

Romney is in way over his head.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
29. While I'd like to think that ignore works.. it really doesn't.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 01:15 PM
Jul 2012

It works for people who are already supporting Obama, but we've taken the high road too many times. The Democrats keep playing fair because we believe it's the right thing to do.. but the game has changed, and there are no merit prizes for playing nice and fair.

Sort of like being in a sanctioned boxing match vs getting jumped in an alley by four thugs. I'm all for playing nice and fair when everyone is held to the same rules, but if someone wants to scrap and attack, then all bets are off. The only way to reach the undecideds and the people who aren't comfortable with Romney, is to respond to their monied and vicious attacks, head-on.

Hey.. my thought is that we may not win over all the republicans to vote for Obama, BUT you can certainly do enough damage to Romney's credibility to keep a lot of people home who would have voted for the republican otherwise. I suspect there will be a lot of write ins in those republican precincts this year. There will not be a clothespin strong enough to hold the nose while voting for Romney the flip flopping elitist. HE is all the things they accused Kerry and Dukakis of.. but in his case, they're true.

politicasista

(14,128 posts)
53. Interesting that people love
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 08:52 PM
Jul 2012

the way BC and Obama are handling things, yet still berate Kerry (and Gore for that matter) for everything. Guess that those surrogate dems that were M.I.A. in 04, and the media is off the hook, but guess that facts never get in the way of Kerry bashing.

Your last sentence deserves more notice. Rove loves it when we eat are own (not you).

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
64. I think Obama runs a better campaign than Kerry or Gore did…BUT
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 12:31 AM
Jul 2012

yes, absolutely Kerry gets way too much crap. The media gave the Swift Liars months of free airtime for their ads (by playing them over and over as part of "news" coverage), and a free platform from they got to spew their lies nonstop without being challenged on it. Yet that media gave almost no coverage to the Kerry and his campaign's numerous responses.

Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #64)

klook

(12,166 posts)
36. The best defense is a good offense.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 01:46 PM
Jul 2012

Sitting on your hands waiting for the other guy to self-destruct is not going to get the job done.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
57. OK, y'all made your point, some more gracefully than others, but all good points.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:05 PM
Jul 2012

I can't dispute that, and I won't try. You're all correct. I was wrong on the Internets, and I got schooled by peoples I respect. Every one of you approached and said it differently, but you are all correct. It's why I love and respect my fellow DUers.

I'm glad I said what I did and caused so many people to come out swinging. We need that passion, and every one of you made a good point about why I was wrong. I hope they're listening to you and not to me, and that you're all fighting the good fight on the ground.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
4. I wish the debates were sooner....
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:12 AM
Jul 2012

They will still be fun but that's going to be like my Superbowl this year and I'm just getting excited and impatient.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
5. I hope they have a plan for this. Pres. Obama said that it wasn't a tax
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:12 AM
Jul 2012

and now the law was upheld because one justice thinks it is a tax.


I think he would do better to just let Rmoney twist in the wind on this one. He has the same problem but right now nobody is hitting him on it.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
16. If Romney flip-flops because of pressure from Rush
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:54 AM
Jul 2012

how can he stand up to the likes of Vladimir Putin, Hu Jintao and other world leaders?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
28. I was talking with ...
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 01:11 PM
Jul 2012

the decidedly apolitical, Mrs. 1StrongBlackMan and she was saying that she just didn't get why this "race is so close."

I pointed out that after all President Obama has done, this race is boiling down to a "Black guy/Not Black guy decision.

She then surprised me be recounting a number of things President Obama has done and how it supports the majority of working class Americans.

I smiled and said, "When he's re-elected, you ain't seen nothing yet!"

JohnnyRingo

(18,641 posts)
25. Just like four years ago.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 12:43 PM
Jul 2012

For some reason, Republicans now have to ask permission before they even open their mouth, and the list of people they have to get approval from grows and grows.

Republicans forming John McCain into their ideal image was a large part of his undoing. Choosing Palin was a large part of this ass-kissing process. The candidate twists himself into a pretzel to please everyone in the party:

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
32. There he goes again...
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 01:28 PM
Jul 2012

“Everything changes. It’s almost like an Etch A Sketch. You can kind of shake it up and restart all over again.”

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
41. This is a perfect strategy.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 04:25 PM
Jul 2012

Romney can't win (in this particular scenario).

Response 1: Romney defies the president People listen to Rush and see that Romney is getting his talking points from Rush. Rush is bat shit crazy for 3 hours a day. Nobody wants that in the white house.

Response 2: Romney listens to the president (already a bad choice for him) and there is less marching lock step within republican ranks. Rush fans are mad at Romney.

It's win win for Obama. I expect he's gearing up for saying that Fox News and the networks are telling him what to say since that was on another thread.

politicasista

(14,128 posts)
43. It is smart, but
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:07 PM
Jul 2012

why do people continue to blame Kerry for the SBL, yet we praise Obama for taking the high road (which he should)? Shouldn't the lack of Dem surrogates that were M.I.A. get the blame too?

The big difference is that Obama has surrogates, Kerry and Gore did not, or had very few.

Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)
44. "No, Mr. Obama, it was not pressure from Rush Limbaugh, it was
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:11 PM
Jul 2012

pressure from Rupert Murdoch and the WSJ, thank you very much! I mean..."

Love this guy.

RockyMtnGuy

(83 posts)
45. It's about G-D Time
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:43 PM
Jul 2012

I'm so sick or all the Rethug shit. Sunday morning talk shows never call a single one of them out for lies. It's about god-damn time the President makes a stand and stops taking the crap. I want to see him get angry, like all of us are angry.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
46. Wouldn't Romney...
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:52 PM
Jul 2012

just say he's going off what the SC said, not Rush Limbaugh or any other republican loudmouths? Just playing devil's advocate.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
47. Why the hell is Mitt running?
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:57 PM
Jul 2012

Is it purely for his ego? Is it to lower taxes and make himself even richer? He doesn't seem to stand for anything. He doesn't strike me an obsessed ideologue. At least an asshole like Santorum had a goal and a purity to his evil. Romney is just a kite blowing in the wind, depending on the direction of the stream of air gushing from Limbaugh's ass.

BumRushDaShow

(129,483 posts)
49. I think he likes the pomp and circumstance
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 08:05 PM
Jul 2012

of the office and what it means in terms of the hegemony that comes with it. Airforce One. Marine One. Thousands of the world's greatest military saluting as the President walks past them. Access to the world's leaders, (theoretical) access to the dirt on every one of your enemies, and on and on.

It's a power thing. You can have all the money in the world but ironically enough, the office of the POTUS has the power.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
67. Why the hell is Mitt running?
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 12:49 AM
Jul 2012

His father ran and he got a little taste of the power.

Kinda like Palin stringing along the media to keep them nipping at her heels.

Kennah

(14,315 posts)
61. Bodyshot, bodyshot, bodyshot, uppercut
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:47 PM
Jul 2012

The President isn't wading slowly into the 2012 fight. He's fully in, punching, and connecting.

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