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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsParamedic's Response to "Burger Flippers" Making an Equal $15/Hour
Jens Rushing like so many people, took to Facebook to rant about something. Rushing, a paramedic, wrote an angry post about fast food workers winning a $15/hr wage that has since gone viral. But instead of getting angry that his skilled job only pays him the same amount, he stood in solidarity with the underpaid workers and had this to say to everyone complaining about the wage increase: That's exactly what the bosses want! They want us fighting over who has the bigger pile of crumbs so we don't realize they made off with almost the whole damn cake.
The workers in NY *made* them. They fought for and won a living wage. So how incredibly petty and counterproductive is it to fuss that their pile of crumbs is bigger than ours? Put that energy elsewhere. Organize. Fight. Win.
http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/paramedics-response-to-burger-flippers-making-an-equal-15hour-is-beautiful/
ck4829
(35,078 posts)Pay attention to the fact that the same people who balk about progressive taxes and "class warfare" are the same people who want to pit the private sector employees vs public sector employees, people who make 10 vs people who make 9 an hour, white workers vs black workers, male vs female, etc.
elleng
(131,028 posts)Initech
(100,089 posts)Those at the top have more money than they'll ever spend in 16 lifetimes. And they just keep wanting more. How many billions does one need?
oasis
(49,394 posts)the Trump loving, Kool aid swilling, red state Deplorables. They believe their giant piece of the "Make America Great Again" pie is just around the corner.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)In their minds, the billionaires will favor them over other racial groups when the race wars begin, and that's when they'll get their reward.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)No kidding had a customer tell me that's why he votes GOP: He could feel it in his bones that he's due for a big hit on Powerball and Dems will steal his money to pay "moochers". Seemed so convinced that he would be rich any day now.
cstanleytech
(26,305 posts)but only if the CEO and the rest of the higher ups are not doing it by fucking over the employees when they could pay them a living wage.
Most companies though seem to think its ok to force the majority of their employees to make due with a wage thats well below a living one.
For example take Publix, they are considered one of the better retailers but do they provide a living wage for the produce clerks or the cashiers? Not even close, in fact some people I know earn the same as if they would work for Walmart now since Walmart raised its average pay and that pisses me off.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)with corporate muckety-mucks making good money, as long as they are not running the company into the ground while they're doing it.
Carly Fiorina is my perfect example of someone who is vastly overpaid, because she fucked up two companies (Lucent and Hewlett-Packard) while making a fortune for herself. I've talked to a few Republican-leaning acquaintances who told me that when Ted Cruz said she'd be his VP if he got nominated, that did it for them, they were done with that loser for all time.
Bengus81
(6,932 posts)That is if he actually puts in a 40 hour week. No....drinking three martini's and talking BS doesn't count toward work hours.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts).....not down!
progree
(10,909 posts)increase (to what level I don't remember. This was about 20 years ago. He called in to complain). The pathetic bozo had been on the job for 10 years or somesuch and so was well experienced, and the proposed minimum wage increase meant that he would only be making a bit more than someone new with no experience waaaaah waaaaah waaaah oh how horrible!!!
Even though this was about 20 years ago, I never forgot it. Such stupid fuckheads.
Hekate
(90,750 posts)...than others because I was an executive secretary and excluded from the union and usual bargaining units. the office accountant had a little chat with us clerical workers about the projected raise in minimum wage -- which I of course thought was a good idea, but I can also do simple math and saw that it greatly reduced the disparity in wages between me and them. That should give you some idea of how low the wages are for exec secs. So I asked whether those of us just a notch up the scale would also be getting a raise. The answer was no, but he didn't want to say it and it pissed him off no end.
Non illegitimus carborundum.
progree
(10,909 posts)after all, they are in competition with other businesses and they want to hold on to their more skilled experienced workers.
Hekate
(90,750 posts)...were part of the landscape, so to speak. In the mid 1980s the "salary equivalent" jobs were Secretary II (me plus a few cents per hour because of being "confidential" and Groundskeeper.
Secretaries at the university were expected to have at least some college, though on paper you needed a high school diploma. In our town they had their pick of women with Bachelor's degrees, and again, that was me. Of course you needed to know how to skillfully operate a piece of machinery and ultimately to upgrade your skills to an entirely different piece of machinery. You needed to have an excellent command of the English language. You needed to have the social skills to multitask with competing personalities -- shall I go on?
Groundskeepers (same salary and in theory equivalent if different skills) did not need to know the English language, or even to read very well. They needed to safely operate a piece of machinery. They needed to follow instructions.
Just for giggles I checked the public records (now online) again in the early 2000s. Yeah, still the same. I suspect a gender bias, but who am I to notice?
Our urban area is not huge, and we have only a few really big employers, namely the County and the University. We used to have Raytheon and some others before the Cold War ended -- we still have a lot of tech firms, but they are skill-specific and not big. We're a hundred miles from Los Angeles and 350 miles from San Francisco. There is no competition for people not in the tech sector when it comes to wages. I suspect this may be the case for a lot of the country.
cstanleytech
(26,305 posts)already because if employers did a fair cost of living increase for their workers pay every year you would never see the minimum wage move at all but employers have zero incentive to pay better right now or atleast unless you are part of a good, strong, well run union.
Hekate
(90,750 posts)Unions and collective bargaining and solidarity.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)a race to bottom of the barrel wages for "menial" jobs affects his own monetary worth.
Oops...on edit, it was pointed out that my quick once over sucked and that I missed this person's actual argument, which took an extra level of inattentiveness.
Hekate
(90,750 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)fault either...I inferred something not there. "to spite"...got it...
OxQQme
(2,550 posts)in a mirror and the mirror image said, "Don't do it!"
And you did it anyways.
Despite what that damned mirror said.
Hekate
(90,750 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Love how he said that. Excellent.
pansypoo53219
(20,983 posts)SunSeeker
(51,584 posts)"I have a neighbor who has a cow. I do not have a cow. I wish that my neighbors cow shall sicken and die.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,020 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)IronLionZion
(45,472 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)Making less-skilled jobs pay more gives fustrated skilled workers an option, or at least a temp job while changing careers or getting educated or something, so it will push employers to raise wages.
Bengus81
(6,932 posts)Min wage workers make more then you'll make MORE. DUhhhhhhhhh!
Gawd!!
Bengus81
(6,932 posts)Because of the booming Clinton economy. Min wage back then was probably around 3.65 or so but the economy was so strong that wages even at MD's were going up just to get workers. Now...I see MD's signs wanting help and paying a whopping sum of 8.00 per hour 20+ years later.
That's what having 8 years of Republicans in the WH and then control Congress since the Clinton era will get you. Now we're on another four.
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)started teaching at Rice University. He discovered garbage men in Houston made more money than he did. He did not complain about what they made, just chuckled at the low esteem we have for college professors. We are not one another's enemy.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)If "burger flippers" are paid $15/hour, others with more education and skills should be paid more than $15/hour. I have a 2 year degree, worked as a Special Ed Teacher's Assistant for years, and never made $15/hour. My daughter has a BA in Education and Private Schools in NYC wanted to pay her $11/hour. A Teenager Babysitter without a HS Diploma makes that.
I will include any position, not just college educated, that requires special skills or advanced schooling (not just college) should be paid more than "burger flippers". Should a plumber, electrician, or mechanic make the same wages as a Mc'D's worker? NO.
ret5hd
(20,502 posts)And your disdain for "burger flippers" is duly noted.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)in jeopardy but action is key . Got to go out and gain interest and allies
http://fightfor15.org/?
Next big one here in May 23rd McDonald's
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)How about a living wage for everyone?
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)True words of wisdom from A Fine human being and true patriot.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Mendocino
(7,497 posts)I worked summers at an amusement park (Cedar Point) for $2.30-$2.50 an hour. We didn't make minimum, seasonal labor. That works out to around $9.80 to $10 today factoring inflation. When I dropped out of school for a bit, I walked into a place, got hired that day with a laborers job making about $4.00. (around $14.50 today)
So these employers today balk at even paying minimum, get there cheap crap from who knows where, skirt all sorts of industrial and environmental regulations, pay as little tax as possible and still complain they don't rake in enough.