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elleng

(131,028 posts)
Sat May 13, 2017, 03:14 PM May 2017

Paramedic's Response to "Burger Flippers" Making an Equal $15/Hour

Jens Rushing like so many people, took to Facebook to rant about something. Rushing, a paramedic, wrote an angry post about fast food workers winning a $15/hr wage that has since gone viral. But instead of getting angry that his skilled job only pays him the same amount, he stood in solidarity with the underpaid workers and had this to say to everyone complaining about the wage increase: “That's exactly what the bosses want! They want us fighting over who has the bigger pile of crumbs so we don't realize they made off with almost the whole damn cake.”

The workers in NY *made* them. They fought for and won a living wage. So how incredibly petty and counterproductive is it to fuss that their pile of crumbs is bigger than ours? Put that energy elsewhere. Organize. Fight. Win.

http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/paramedics-response-to-burger-flippers-making-an-equal-15hour-is-beautiful/

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Paramedic's Response to "Burger Flippers" Making an Equal $15/Hour (Original Post) elleng May 2017 OP
Brilliant. In the end we are the ones who decide how much power those giving us crumbs really have ck4829 May 2017 #1
Right, WE are the ones who decide. elleng May 2017 #2
Our economy is so fucked up. Initech May 2017 #25
CEOs making obscene salaries and bonuses doesn't seem to bother oasis May 2017 #3
They see racial solidarity with the billionaires. Yavin4 May 2017 #9
That and they seem to think they're a lotto ticket away from being a part of the 1% Jake Stern May 2017 #19
I'll be honest I dont care if a CEO is making millions cstanleytech May 2017 #20
And I'm perfectly fine customerserviceguy May 2017 #40
Aetna's CEO makes oh....about $12,980.76 per hour Bengus81 May 2017 #27
Not only that...now they can and should demand higher wages! angstlessk May 2017 #4
Yes! Workers must Kick up, zentrum May 2017 #5
I remember some pathetic bozo making $6/hour complaining on talk radio about a proposed min. wage progree May 2017 #6
The bosses count on that. When I was a secretary for the County I made a bit more... Hekate May 2017 #10
After a big min. wage increase, I think over time the wage differentials get mostly restored progree May 2017 #13
When I worked at the University I started in the Personnel Office, where salary tables... Hekate May 2017 #17
That person is an idiot because that proves that their employer was probably screwing them over cstanleytech May 2017 #22
Kudos to Jens Rushing for being WIDE AWAKE Hekate May 2017 #7
cutting off his nose despite his face...I wonder if he understands how supporting JCanete May 2017 #8
You need to read the article at the link. Also, the phrase is "to spite," not "despite." nt Hekate May 2017 #11
totally right, thanks...got the wrong gist from another post....not that person's JCanete May 2017 #14
But, if he/she talked to themselves OxQQme May 2017 #16
Heh. That's different Hekate May 2017 #18
"fighting over who has the bigger pile of crumbs..." Hortensis May 2017 #12
considering ambulance bills. pansypoo53219 May 2017 #15
Attacking other workers' pay reminds me of the old Russian joke about self-defeating jealousy: SunSeeker May 2017 #21
Solidarity. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #23
I just changed my sig line today seems appropriate for the complainers lunasun May 2017 #24
We are all equal, but some are more equal than others IronLionZion May 2017 #26
It will push his wages higher. krispos42 May 2017 #28
DING DING DING!! That what most Rep voters never can grasp..... Bengus81 May 2017 #31
I remember Micky D's where I live HAVING to pay over $7.00 per hour in 95/97........... Bengus81 May 2017 #29
I remember when my brother finally got his Ph.D. and OldHippieChick May 2017 #30
People should be paid a 2017 living wage, HOWEVER HockeyMom May 2017 #32
Then get out and fight for it. They did. ret5hd May 2017 #33
First organized and then walked the talk with strikes and protests . They often put thier job lunasun May 2017 #36
Well when they create computers to do the burger flipping, we're back to square one. YOHABLO May 2017 #34
One of the most brilliant analysis I have ever read. colorado_ufo May 2017 #35
Every one no matter what you do deserves a living wage with benefits blueinredohio May 2017 #37
In 1976 & 77 Mendocino May 2017 #38
Correctomundo! Great response! nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #39

ck4829

(35,078 posts)
1. Brilliant. In the end we are the ones who decide how much power those giving us crumbs really have
Sat May 13, 2017, 03:25 PM
May 2017

Pay attention to the fact that the same people who balk about progressive taxes and "class warfare" are the same people who want to pit the private sector employees vs public sector employees, people who make 10 vs people who make 9 an hour, white workers vs black workers, male vs female, etc.

Initech

(100,089 posts)
25. Our economy is so fucked up.
Sat May 13, 2017, 05:50 PM
May 2017

Those at the top have more money than they'll ever spend in 16 lifetimes. And they just keep wanting more. How many billions does one need?

oasis

(49,394 posts)
3. CEOs making obscene salaries and bonuses doesn't seem to bother
Sat May 13, 2017, 03:36 PM
May 2017

the Trump loving, Kool aid swilling, red state Deplorables. They believe their giant piece of the "Make America Great Again" pie is just around the corner.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
9. They see racial solidarity with the billionaires.
Sat May 13, 2017, 04:09 PM
May 2017

In their minds, the billionaires will favor them over other racial groups when the race wars begin, and that's when they'll get their reward.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
19. That and they seem to think they're a lotto ticket away from being a part of the 1%
Sat May 13, 2017, 04:54 PM
May 2017

No kidding had a customer tell me that's why he votes GOP: He could feel it in his bones that he's due for a big hit on Powerball and Dems will steal his money to pay "moochers". Seemed so convinced that he would be rich any day now.

cstanleytech

(26,305 posts)
20. I'll be honest I dont care if a CEO is making millions
Sat May 13, 2017, 05:02 PM
May 2017

but only if the CEO and the rest of the higher ups are not doing it by fucking over the employees when they could pay them a living wage.
Most companies though seem to think its ok to force the majority of their employees to make due with a wage thats well below a living one.
For example take Publix, they are considered one of the better retailers but do they provide a living wage for the produce clerks or the cashiers? Not even close, in fact some people I know earn the same as if they would work for Walmart now since Walmart raised its average pay and that pisses me off.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
40. And I'm perfectly fine
Sun May 14, 2017, 01:04 AM
May 2017

with corporate muckety-mucks making good money, as long as they are not running the company into the ground while they're doing it.

Carly Fiorina is my perfect example of someone who is vastly overpaid, because she fucked up two companies (Lucent and Hewlett-Packard) while making a fortune for herself. I've talked to a few Republican-leaning acquaintances who told me that when Ted Cruz said she'd be his VP if he got nominated, that did it for them, they were done with that loser for all time.

Bengus81

(6,932 posts)
27. Aetna's CEO makes oh....about $12,980.76 per hour
Sat May 13, 2017, 06:07 PM
May 2017

That is if he actually puts in a 40 hour week. No....drinking three martini's and talking BS doesn't count toward work hours.

progree

(10,909 posts)
6. I remember some pathetic bozo making $6/hour complaining on talk radio about a proposed min. wage
Sat May 13, 2017, 03:53 PM
May 2017

increase (to what level I don't remember. This was about 20 years ago. He called in to complain). The pathetic bozo had been on the job for 10 years or somesuch and so was well experienced, and the proposed minimum wage increase meant that he would only be making a bit more than someone new with no experience waaaaah waaaaah waaaah oh how horrible!!!

Even though this was about 20 years ago, I never forgot it. Such stupid fuckheads.

Hekate

(90,750 posts)
10. The bosses count on that. When I was a secretary for the County I made a bit more...
Sat May 13, 2017, 04:15 PM
May 2017

...than others because I was an executive secretary and excluded from the union and usual bargaining units. the office accountant had a little chat with us clerical workers about the projected raise in minimum wage -- which I of course thought was a good idea, but I can also do simple math and saw that it greatly reduced the disparity in wages between me and them. That should give you some idea of how low the wages are for exec secs. So I asked whether those of us just a notch up the scale would also be getting a raise. The answer was no, but he didn't want to say it and it pissed him off no end.

Non illegitimus carborundum.

progree

(10,909 posts)
13. After a big min. wage increase, I think over time the wage differentials get mostly restored
Sat May 13, 2017, 04:25 PM
May 2017

after all, they are in competition with other businesses and they want to hold on to their more skilled experienced workers.

Hekate

(90,750 posts)
17. When I worked at the University I started in the Personnel Office, where salary tables...
Sat May 13, 2017, 04:50 PM
May 2017

...were part of the landscape, so to speak. In the mid 1980s the "salary equivalent" jobs were Secretary II (me plus a few cents per hour because of being "confidential&quot and Groundskeeper.

Secretaries at the university were expected to have at least some college, though on paper you needed a high school diploma. In our town they had their pick of women with Bachelor's degrees, and again, that was me. Of course you needed to know how to skillfully operate a piece of machinery and ultimately to upgrade your skills to an entirely different piece of machinery. You needed to have an excellent command of the English language. You needed to have the social skills to multitask with competing personalities -- shall I go on?

Groundskeepers (same salary and in theory equivalent if different skills) did not need to know the English language, or even to read very well. They needed to safely operate a piece of machinery. They needed to follow instructions.

Just for giggles I checked the public records (now online) again in the early 2000s. Yeah, still the same. I suspect a gender bias, but who am I to notice?

Our urban area is not huge, and we have only a few really big employers, namely the County and the University. We used to have Raytheon and some others before the Cold War ended -- we still have a lot of tech firms, but they are skill-specific and not big. We're a hundred miles from Los Angeles and 350 miles from San Francisco. There is no competition for people not in the tech sector when it comes to wages. I suspect this may be the case for a lot of the country.

cstanleytech

(26,305 posts)
22. That person is an idiot because that proves that their employer was probably screwing them over
Sat May 13, 2017, 05:05 PM
May 2017

already because if employers did a fair cost of living increase for their workers pay every year you would never see the minimum wage move at all but employers have zero incentive to pay better right now or atleast unless you are part of a good, strong, well run union.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
8. cutting off his nose despite his face...I wonder if he understands how supporting
Sat May 13, 2017, 04:08 PM
May 2017

a race to bottom of the barrel wages for "menial" jobs affects his own monetary worth.


Oops...on edit, it was pointed out that my quick once over sucked and that I missed this person's actual argument, which took an extra level of inattentiveness.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
14. totally right, thanks...got the wrong gist from another post....not that person's
Sat May 13, 2017, 04:26 PM
May 2017

fault either...I inferred something not there. "to spite"...got it...

OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
16. But, if he/she talked to themselves
Sat May 13, 2017, 04:42 PM
May 2017

in a mirror and the mirror image said, "Don't do it!"
And you did it anyways.
Despite what that damned mirror said.

SunSeeker

(51,584 posts)
21. Attacking other workers' pay reminds me of the old Russian joke about self-defeating jealousy:
Sat May 13, 2017, 05:05 PM
May 2017

"I have a neighbor who has a cow. I do not have a cow. I wish that my neighbor’s cow shall sicken and die.”

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
28. It will push his wages higher.
Sat May 13, 2017, 06:11 PM
May 2017


Making less-skilled jobs pay more gives fustrated skilled workers an option, or at least a temp job while changing careers or getting educated or something, so it will push employers to raise wages.

Bengus81

(6,932 posts)
31. DING DING DING!! That what most Rep voters never can grasp.....
Sat May 13, 2017, 06:18 PM
May 2017

Min wage workers make more then you'll make MORE. DUhhhhhhhhh!

Gawd!!

Bengus81

(6,932 posts)
29. I remember Micky D's where I live HAVING to pay over $7.00 per hour in 95/97...........
Sat May 13, 2017, 06:12 PM
May 2017

Because of the booming Clinton economy. Min wage back then was probably around 3.65 or so but the economy was so strong that wages even at MD's were going up just to get workers. Now...I see MD's signs wanting help and paying a whopping sum of 8.00 per hour 20+ years later.

That's what having 8 years of Republicans in the WH and then control Congress since the Clinton era will get you. Now we're on another four.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
30. I remember when my brother finally got his Ph.D. and
Sat May 13, 2017, 06:13 PM
May 2017

started teaching at Rice University. He discovered garbage men in Houston made more money than he did. He did not complain about what they made, just chuckled at the low esteem we have for college professors. We are not one another's enemy.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
32. People should be paid a 2017 living wage, HOWEVER
Sat May 13, 2017, 06:45 PM
May 2017

If "burger flippers" are paid $15/hour, others with more education and skills should be paid more than $15/hour. I have a 2 year degree, worked as a Special Ed Teacher's Assistant for years, and never made $15/hour. My daughter has a BA in Education and Private Schools in NYC wanted to pay her $11/hour. A Teenager Babysitter without a HS Diploma makes that.

I will include any position, not just college educated, that requires special skills or advanced schooling (not just college) should be paid more than "burger flippers". Should a plumber, electrician, or mechanic make the same wages as a Mc'D's worker? NO.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
36. First organized and then walked the talk with strikes and protests . They often put thier job
Sat May 13, 2017, 08:59 PM
May 2017

in jeopardy but action is key . Got to go out and gain interest and allies
http://fightfor15.org/?
Next big one here in May 23rd McDonald's

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
34. Well when they create computers to do the burger flipping, we're back to square one.
Sat May 13, 2017, 07:59 PM
May 2017

How about a living wage for everyone?

colorado_ufo

(5,737 posts)
35. One of the most brilliant analysis I have ever read.
Sat May 13, 2017, 08:03 PM
May 2017

True words of wisdom from A Fine human being and true patriot.

Mendocino

(7,497 posts)
38. In 1976 & 77
Sat May 13, 2017, 10:23 PM
May 2017

I worked summers at an amusement park (Cedar Point) for $2.30-$2.50 an hour. We didn't make minimum, seasonal labor. That works out to around $9.80 to $10 today factoring inflation. When I dropped out of school for a bit, I walked into a place, got hired that day with a laborers job making about $4.00. (around $14.50 today)

So these employers today balk at even paying minimum, get there cheap crap from who knows where, skirt all sorts of industrial and environmental regulations, pay as little tax as possible and still complain they don't rake in enough.

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