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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,986 posts)
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:34 PM May 2017

John Dean destroys Trump's 'tapes' threat with one savage tweet.

In the past week, comparisons between President Donald Trump's Russiagate scandal and the Watergate scandal of the 1970s have accelerated, as the White House has made a series shocking decisions that eerily parallel Richard Nixon's attempts to save himself from the investigation that would ultimately force him to resign.

In particular, Trump's abrupt firing of FBI Director James Comey, the man in charge of investigating him, is being widely compared to the infamous Saturday Night Massacre, in which Nixon fired the independent special prosecutor who was investigating him, resulting in the immediate resignation of both the attorney general and deputy attorney general. The similarity was so striking, even the Nixon Presidential Library was quick to distance itself from Trump.




On Friday, President Trump invited further comparison by tweeting the following ominous message to Comey.




This not-so-veiled threat immediately spawned another round of shocked reactions. But one commentator who managed to keep his cool was former Nixon lawyer John W. Dean.




https://www.someecards.com/news/politics/john-dean-donald-trump-nixon-watergate/
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John Dean destroys Trump's 'tapes' threat with one savage tweet. (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2017 OP
"Honest people don't have problems being taped." NurseJackie May 2017 #1
Just said, "Comey Not Worried About Any Tapes.... Stuart G May 2017 #9
I'll bet that's not the reaction and response that Trump was hoping for. NurseJackie May 2017 #11
Who knew Trump's tweet would backfire? SunSeeker May 2017 #14
Trump's way of telling Comey that Trump has tapes onit2day May 2017 #48
Comey is not exactly an honest person. KentuckyWoman May 2017 #43
It's situational and very bizarre, isn't it? NurseJackie May 2017 #44
My money's still on Comey to blow this whole thing wide open Volaris May 2017 #47
John Dean should know what he's talking about MagickMuffin May 2017 #2
I agree...thing is, sdfernando May 2017 #37
Tweeted by one who knows of what he speaks! Grammy23 May 2017 #3
A voice of experience.... Stuart G May 2017 #4
I remember listening to John Dean. murielm99 May 2017 #19
It seemed as if he... 3catwoman3 May 2017 #24
I remember thinking at the time that John Dean was the only one with even an ounce of catbyte May 2017 #41
Not an ounce of decency in the GOP! anniebelle May 2017 #51
Isn't it also easy to tell murielm99 May 2017 #32
not so much anymore... druidity33 May 2017 #42
John Dean may not have known he was being taped at the time in 1973 when he became KingCharlemagne May 2017 #56
tRump is constantly projecting his own fears. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #5
I think you are volstork May 2017 #16
Note to Don the Con: Digital files don't truly erase & digital forensics great detecting edits/gaps. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #6
That may be why Trump put tapes in quotation marks gratuitous May 2017 #8
He's stuck in the 70s. People with 21st century perspective say "recordings" / "audio" / "video". nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #10
They also don't say SchrodingersCatbox May 2017 #28
heh heh heh dixiegrrrrl May 2017 #7
Exactly on the money. world wide wally May 2017 #12
Well, Comey could have worn a wire and taped the meeting FakeNoose May 2017 #27
Comey shoul have told Trump that he already had the tape ... Then filmed how many shades of orange world wide wally May 2017 #34
Projection again bucolic_frolic May 2017 #13
I was wondering when someone would point that out. If there are tapes, Lil Missy May 2017 #15
I worry about the amount of murielm99 May 2017 #17
Dems want hm to release the tapes. alfredo May 2017 #21
It's possible Trump really believes tapes would vindicate him. tanyev May 2017 #18
Intimidation that's all it is. alfredo May 2017 #20
Hope no one tells Trump how things worked out for Nixon, Dustlawyer May 2017 #22
Nixon didn't dare fire Hoover kskiska May 2017 #23
Wasn't it LBJ who said, "I'd rather have him on the inside pissing out Buns_of_Fire May 2017 #30
What would you give to see... maddiemom May 2017 #40
I cant help wonder why the russians were there the next day TalenaGor May 2017 #25
Recommended. H2O Man May 2017 #26
There are no tapes UltravioletDingo May 2017 #29
I don't think so, either. Buns_of_Fire May 2017 #33
I'll be very surprised if there are. 45 has a huuuge history of slinging poo and letting everyone Boomerproud May 2017 #45
"Alligator mouth...hummingbird ass" VOX May 2017 #49
Trump alluded to tapes so his gullible supporters will think he's telling the truth MrPurple May 2017 #31
Exactly. Freaking maniacal monster Cha May 2017 #36
trump "confused"?.. lol Cha May 2017 #35
tRump is not confused. warmfeet May 2017 #38
John Dean mic drop. BumRushDaShow May 2017 #39
Dean's an all right guy. I saw some interviews w/him years ago. And the movie, of course. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #46
K&R. dchill May 2017 #50
Rock ON, Sir!! raven mad May 2017 #52
Recorder found??? LessAspin May 2017 #53
Even Nixon wasn't stupid enough to out the tapes himself NastyRiffraff May 2017 #54
What did Trump know and when did he know it? - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #55

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
9. Just said, "Comey Not Worried About Any Tapes....
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:51 PM
May 2017

here is the link to the story where he says this:

Ousted FBI Director James Comey is “not worried about any tapes” of conversations between him and President Donald Trump, an unnamed source “familiar with the matter” told CNN on Friday.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cnn-source-comey-not-worried-any-tapes

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Was John Dean worried about being taped?..I don't think so, neither is Comey

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
48. Trump's way of telling Comey that Trump has tapes
Sat May 13, 2017, 12:44 AM
May 2017

of conversations with Comey not the other way around, Trump's vindictive way of trying to intimidate Comey. Character is the key. Trump's character is insidious so you know he's the culprit no matter what the situation is

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
47. My money's still on Comey to blow this whole thing wide open
Fri May 12, 2017, 10:59 PM
May 2017

I still think he's going to be Obamas master stroke.

Severus Snape was a asshole, too. But he was DUMBLEDORES asshole, and I think when all the equations are scored, that will count for a lot.
Obama left a lot of good pieces on the board for other people to finish his game with. I suspect Director Comey is one of those players.

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
4. A voice of experience....
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:42 PM
May 2017

I remember listening to John Dean at the Watergate Hearings. I wondered, is there any way to verify if he is telling the truth?..I guess there was, and he had no problem with being taped, because he was telling the truth.

Mr. Nixon was not telling the truth. As has been proved.

Now, Mr Trump has a long history of lying. Here and there and everywhere. Dean's point is correct. Let's hear any tapes. But, as it has been stated, it is now very easy to alter tapes, and Trump would surly do so.

It will end up in court. Comey vs Trump. Or in the senate. or wherever.....

Question: who has a history of lying and who has a history of truth telling??? We will see. What a show..more popcorn please.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
19. I remember listening to John Dean.
Fri May 12, 2017, 05:16 PM
May 2017

Do you remember how long his testimony was? I can't find anything on the length, but it seems to me he was up there talking for more than one session. I found a picture of him, with his wife sitting behind him.

Until the tapes were uncovered, I did not know if I believed him. I thought his wife was being used as a distraction. I thought his carefully coached testimony could have been self-serving. Damned if the tapes didn't prove he was a truthful man after all.

With Watergate, it seemed like there were new revelations daily. This is much, much worse.

catbyte

(34,390 posts)
41. I remember thinking at the time that John Dean was the only one with even an ounce of
Fri May 12, 2017, 08:12 PM
May 2017

integrity in the entire West Wing. I can remember his wife, Mo, becoming a star as she sat behind him looking sad and solemn while he testified. I remember him ripping W a few new ones over Iraq. He appears to be one of the few Republicans left with any ense of decency at all. If he's even still a Republican at this point.

anniebelle

(899 posts)
51. Not an ounce of decency in the GOP!
Sat May 13, 2017, 06:38 AM
May 2017

I watched all that was going on with Watergate in real time and was so thankful for John Dean. Unfortunately, I don't think there are ANY repukes left with a shred of honor, decency, shame or morals. SAD! Watergate/Nixon pales in comparison to what these traitors have done to this country ~ they should all be hung in the Rose Garden for the world to see that we are still a nation of law and decency.

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
42. not so much anymore...
Fri May 12, 2017, 08:14 PM
May 2017

if the tapes were recorded digitally and altered digitally, chances are they could be blended seamlessly... assuming that person knew what they were doing.



 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
56. John Dean may not have known he was being taped at the time in 1973 when he became
Sat May 13, 2017, 11:56 AM
May 2017

a party to the crime of conspiracy to obstruct justice. IIRC, Dean's allegations hung out there in the ether until Alexander Butterfield revealed the existence of the WH taping system, the revelation that began the denouement of Watergate and the downfall of the Nixon presidency.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
5. tRump is constantly projecting his own fears.
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:46 PM
May 2017

The veil between his emotions and his public utterances is thin.

He has marginal self-control.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
27. Well, Comey could have worn a wire and taped the meeting
Fri May 12, 2017, 05:47 PM
May 2017

... I mean it's possible. Wouldn't that be great though?

We'd all be high-fiving that one.


world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
34. Comey shoul have told Trump that he already had the tape ... Then filmed how many shades of orange
Fri May 12, 2017, 06:22 PM
May 2017

He turned

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
15. I was wondering when someone would point that out. If there are tapes,
Fri May 12, 2017, 04:31 PM
May 2017

it would be the orange jackass that has any reason to feel threatened. I hope there ARE tapes.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
17. I worry about the amount of
Fri May 12, 2017, 05:02 PM
May 2017

trump verbiage that will be unintelligible. There was enough of that on the Nixon tapes, but not so much as to destroy the meaning of the conversations. Much of the time, people cannot figure out what trump is talking about.

tanyev

(42,559 posts)
18. It's possible Trump really believes tapes would vindicate him.
Fri May 12, 2017, 05:03 PM
May 2017

I suspect everything he hears goes through his extreme narcissism filter before it reaches his brain. It doesn't matter what Comey actually said--Trump heard "Blah, blah, blah, Trump good. Blah, blah, blah, yes indeed, Mr. Trump."

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
23. Nixon didn't dare fire Hoover
Fri May 12, 2017, 05:35 PM
May 2017

Richard Nixon was recorded as stating in 1971 that one of the reasons he did not fire Hoover was that he was afraid of reprisals against him from Hoover.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
30. Wasn't it LBJ who said, "I'd rather have him on the inside pissing out
Fri May 12, 2017, 05:58 PM
May 2017

than on the outside pissing in."?

I think every president wanted to fire Jedgar, but they didn't dare.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
33. I don't think so, either.
Fri May 12, 2017, 06:08 PM
May 2017

I mentioned in another thread that this is just another example of his alligator mouth overwhelming his hummingbird ass. More big talk from a little man.

Which will also make it interesting when one of his toadies has to admit that there never were any "tapes", it was just the boss shooting his mouth off again.

Boomerproud

(7,952 posts)
45. I'll be very surprised if there are. 45 has a huuuge history of slinging poo and letting everyone
Fri May 12, 2017, 08:35 PM
May 2017

else clean it up.

MrPurple

(985 posts)
31. Trump alluded to tapes so his gullible supporters will think he's telling the truth
Fri May 12, 2017, 06:01 PM
May 2017

and that his tapes back him up. There probably are no tapes. It's con man 101.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
38. tRump is not confused.
Fri May 12, 2017, 07:41 PM
May 2017

He is delusional. He has never bothered to learn about reality. Reality does not concern him in the least.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
54. Even Nixon wasn't stupid enough to out the tapes himself
Sat May 13, 2017, 11:30 AM
May 2017

Dump just screwed up, Bigly.

We don't yet know, of course, whether or not those conversations were recorded. Either they do exist and Dump was threatening and bullying, or they don't exist and he was threatening and bullying.

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