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BREAKING: Delta announcing new electronics ban (Original Post) brooklynite May 2017 OP
Lol. Agschmid May 2017 #1
Looks like this is in anticipation of a DHS ban. Liberal In Texas May 2017 #2
When I came back from Europe in March I used my iPad to watch the movies on United kimbutgar May 2017 #3
Some corporations do not allow laptops to be checked HAB911 May 2017 #5
Yep. I'm an RN and travel regularly for business via air Heddi May 2017 #34
This is crazy Keithwebman May 2017 #39
innocent people are being forcefully subject to unreasonable searches and seizures. HAB911 May 2017 #40
This just might be the final indignity... EL34x4 May 2017 #8
And corporate. Ilsa May 2017 #27
In-flight entertainment available for purchase itsrobert May 2017 #4
On transatlantic the movies are free on Delta. Pretty standard in the industry on long hauls. BannonsLiver May 2017 #37
i suspect there will be a lot of missing laptops... spanone May 2017 #6
yep... dhill926 May 2017 #9
I can read a book during my flight. That's not a problem. EL34x4 May 2017 #7
This is almost as ridiculous as Trump's wall C_U_L8R May 2017 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author HughBeaumont May 2017 #11
Cellphones are still allowed. nt tblue37 May 2017 #14
Ummmm....you can still have a smart phone. Liberal In Texas May 2017 #15
Thanks, Comrade Casino* (R) Achilleaze May 2017 #12
Wow! We flew Delta back from Paris on 4/25 and I would have been furious mnhtnbb May 2017 #13
airlines/airports hire thieves who steal from checked baggage. a windfall for criminals nt msongs May 2017 #16
This is fucking bullshit alarimer May 2017 #17
Not just computers leftynyc May 2017 #23
According to the TSA website, the rule regarding bringing laptops in carry on luggage Grammy23 May 2017 #18
There's no way this is a good idea. politicat May 2017 #19
11) they have had the ability to put explosives into laptops for at least a decade. BannonsLiver May 2017 #36
Are you FUCKING kidding me? leftynyc May 2017 #20
And they think we're cranky now??? Grammy23 May 2017 #24
I'm going to have buy an actual BOOK leftynyc May 2017 #25
It's not Delta, but Homeland Security. Liberal In Texas May 2017 #35
Oh, the airlines have an expensive entertainment plan in anticipation. alarimer May 2017 #26
They won't get a nickle leftynyc May 2017 #33
Much easier for baggage handlers to steal your stuff now. TeamPooka May 2017 #21
They don't call it London Thiefrow for nothing Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2017 #30
another stupid and futile gesture in the continuing charade of the w.o.t. KG May 2017 #22
Lovely... I'm in Europe right now Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2017 #28
This will work because, of course... regnaD kciN May 2017 #29
As an academic Nonhlanhla May 2017 #31
Be interesting to hear what big and hi-tech corporations have to say about this in the next few days PsychoBabble May 2017 #32
OK, so all electronic devices with the exception of cell phones... GReedDiamond May 2017 #38

Liberal In Texas

(13,554 posts)
2. Looks like this is in anticipation of a DHS ban.
Fri May 12, 2017, 01:01 PM
May 2017
It looks like the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is about to roll out a laptop ban on flights from Europe to the United States. The ban will be officially announced on Thursday, reports The Daily Beast, citing unnamed European security officials.

The Trump administration first placed an electronics ban in March on flights to the U.S. from 10 airports in eight Muslim-majority countries in North Africa and the Middle East. At the time, U.S. officials cited concerns over intelligence information suggesting that terrorist groups are developing technology to hide bombs in portable electronic devices.

The upcoming ban appears to be a geographic extension of this electronics block. In March, the DHS hinted that more airports could be added in the future. “As threats change, so too will TSA’s security requirements,” reads a FAQ on the DHS website.


http://lifehacker.com/brace-yourself-there-s-about-to-be-an-electronics-trav-1795129082

kimbutgar

(21,155 posts)
3. When I came back from Europe in March I used my iPad to watch the movies on United
Fri May 12, 2017, 01:02 PM
May 2017

What are the airlines going to do if you can't use your personal device. Something tells me this is going to blow up figuratively In their faces and make a lot of people mad. I refuse to check my iPad or laptop. Air rage will increase exponentially if this ban stays in place.

HAB911

(8,893 posts)
5. Some corporations do not allow laptops to be checked
Fri May 12, 2017, 01:06 PM
May 2017

cannot leave the owners possession at any time

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
34. Yep. I'm an RN and travel regularly for business via air
Fri May 12, 2017, 08:02 PM
May 2017

granted, it's only in the US but my laptop is company owned and filled with proprietary software and filled to the gills with personal health information. When I started my job and started traveling for it I had to sign an agreement that checking the laptop into luggage, or leaving it in a hotel room outside of the safe, is grounds for immediate firing as well as some monetary fines related to HIPPA and data something or other. Basically, if I have that laptop with me, I have to take it *everywhere*. It is either on my body, or in a safe. It can't be checked, or left in a car, or sitting on the hotel desk.

This is going to be a really *bad* thing for airlines.

Keithwebman

(5 posts)
39. This is crazy
Sat May 13, 2017, 01:33 AM
May 2017

I don't like this.

This didn't use to exist until 9/11.

Now, innocent people are being forcefully subject to unreasonable searches and seizures.

People should just encrypt their cell phones and Laptops.

If airports force the encryption should be open, then people need to use programs like VeraCrypt.

Hidden containers mean that, even if TSA or customs force somebody to disclose HIPPA protected information then somebody can store it in a hidden container. Encryption is mans best friend. If by-law the information is protected under HIPPA or other laws or our Constitution, and customs forces you at gunpoint to reveal the password then there is always the hidden drives under software such as VeraCrypt which used to be TrueCrypt.

HAB911

(8,893 posts)
40. innocent people are being forcefully subject to unreasonable searches and seizures.
Sat May 13, 2017, 07:04 AM
May 2017

The terrorists main objective has been achieved

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
27. And corporate.
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:44 PM
May 2017

My husband is not allowed to check his work laptop. The company told him to check everything else if necessary, but not his laptop. It is to remain in his possession/view at all times when travelling.

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
37. On transatlantic the movies are free on Delta. Pretty standard in the industry on long hauls.
Sat May 13, 2017, 12:22 AM
May 2017

Domestic flights not so much. If there is a revenue component to this it's more about checked bags. More checked bags = more revenue. And at $30-50 a pop depending on what you're checking. Thats where the money is.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
7. I can read a book during my flight. That's not a problem.
Fri May 12, 2017, 01:10 PM
May 2017

It's checking my laptop that I have a problem with, particularly since I often travel with only a small backpack and a carry-on bag.

C_U_L8R

(45,002 posts)
10. This is almost as ridiculous as Trump's wall
Fri May 12, 2017, 01:24 PM
May 2017

So the terrorists just have to check their laptops???
Or they use any other kind of container???

Actually I'd feel safer with no checked baggage at all.
In fact, why don't we just all fly naked. That'll show 'em.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
12. Thanks, Comrade Casino* (R)
Fri May 12, 2017, 01:26 PM
May 2017

This is another fine mess you and your Cabal of Colluding Comrades have gotten us into.

* republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief



mnhtnbb

(31,391 posts)
13. Wow! We flew Delta back from Paris on 4/25 and I would have been furious
Fri May 12, 2017, 01:26 PM
May 2017

to have to check my laptop in my luggage. Had I known before the trip? OK. So, I don't get to
look at photos on the trip and have to wait until my return and leave the laptop at home.

Damn. There are going to be some very angry people in the middle of trips caught up by this new policy.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
17. This is fucking bullshit
Fri May 12, 2017, 02:20 PM
May 2017

Get ready to have your computers stolen or broken by the baggage handlers.

Also what happens if you don't check a bag? I mean, I guess you would take more than a carryon for a European vacation, but business travelers often travel much lighter.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
23. Not just computers
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:37 PM
May 2017

Kindles, ipods also. My flight home from Greece this summer is going to be very long without them.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
18. According to the TSA website, the rule regarding bringing laptops in carry on luggage
Fri May 12, 2017, 02:44 PM
May 2017

Has not changed...yet. They reserve the right to change what is not allowed and which airports will be impacted by a new ruling. There are 10 airports (none in the US) that require checking certain electronic devices such as laptops. No domestic flights require that at this time. A change could be coming but at this point, the TSA Q&A notes no change and laptops (except for the 10 cities) continue to allow laptops to be brought on board.

By the way, I totally get it why people will be upset and angry if they ever do change the rule. Given the things that will "disappear" while in possession of the airline, it is no wonder people will be reluctant to turn these things over to the airline to transport. 😳

politicat

(9,808 posts)
19. There's no way this is a good idea.
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:22 PM
May 2017

1) If they're concerned about lithium ion battery fires, having 25-100 in the cargo hold, stuffed amongst cotton and polyester fabric, where there's no crew access and no fire suppression, is more likely to cause a problem than having them in carry-on.

2) If they're hearing chatter that someone is going to turn them into bombs, this is still stupid since they're still allowing phones. Which link up to laptops, and can be used to trigger or start said fire, in an area with no fire protection. The cargo section isn't inside a Faraday cage.

3) Plane cargo holds are not fire or bomb-proof; they're right under the passenger seating area. And closer to the fuel tanks.

4) Cargo areas are pressurized, just like the rest of the plane. They can't be selectively de-pressurized, so it's not like a fire in the hold is more manageable than one in cabin. It's less manageable.

5) So... this isn't a safety issue. What is it? It's not like the airlines are going to make up the lost travel revenue ($800-1200 per business class seat) on $8 in flight entertainment and $75 baggage fees. This is a boon for video-conferencing (yay, actually, we're long past the need for face-time for every single thing) and remote office work, but the airlines don't have any good incentives for going along with this.

6) DHS/Customs have been making noise about and actually copying the contents of devices entering the country. Is this their way of doing so for all air travel? Assigning some low-level schmuck to ride cargo and copy every device in transit? Which is still stupid, because the signal to noise ratio (or cat and dick pics to data ratio) is going to be astronomical.

7) I'm seeing a market for rental Chromebooks/cloud-computers/stick interfaces at airports. Rent a cloud device or stick interface at your destination, everything lives on the Cloud or on a stick computer. For real security, leave the long, complex password in the office, don't memorize it, and call back once one has cleared Customs to retrieve it. Or travel with a $200 Chromebook with no stored data.

8) This is going to screw hardest with professional photographers and musicians, and anyone whose primary workspace is online.

9) Cunard still runs transatlantic routes. It takes 5-6 days, instead of 11-14 hours. Just sayin'.

10) This is fishy as all hell. It doesn't make sense at all, unless the point is to prevent travel into the US and discourage USians from leaving. Which I'm not entirely discounting.

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
36. 11) they have had the ability to put explosives into laptops for at least a decade.
Sat May 13, 2017, 12:15 AM
May 2017

Which makes it all the more strange.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
20. Are you FUCKING kidding me?
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:33 PM
May 2017

On my flight home from Greece this summer I can't have my kindle and my ipod? I'm going to hurt someone.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
24. And they think we're cranky now???
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:38 PM
May 2017

Just wait until they have a plane load of people deprived of their devices. It won't be pretty.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
25. I'm going to have buy an actual BOOK
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:40 PM
May 2017

I should send the bill to Delta. Along with the bill for the Ambien I'm going to have to take in order not to kill the flight attendant.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
26. Oh, the airlines have an expensive entertainment plan in anticipation.
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:44 PM
May 2017

I'm sure minutes after this ban, the airlines will roll out some options for you. Only $25/ minute!

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
28. Lovely... I'm in Europe right now
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:47 PM
May 2017

This has been anticipated for a while, orders from IT are to courier our laptops and tablets to our office in Toulouse in the event we can't board with them and IT in Toulouse will figure out how to repatriate them to the US.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
29. This will work because, of course...
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:48 PM
May 2017

...it would NEVER occur to terrorists to plant a bomb in the luggage hold instead, right?



Maybe they should ask the (surviving) residents of Lockerbie, Scotland about that one...

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
31. As an academic
Fri May 12, 2017, 04:05 PM
May 2017

This would be very inconvenient for me. I need my laptop to work on the plane, plus at my destination, and there's no way I'm checking my laptop.

PsychoBabble

(837 posts)
32. Be interesting to hear what big and hi-tech corporations have to say about this in the next few days
Fri May 12, 2017, 04:07 PM
May 2017

For many of us random travelers, probably no biggie ... but I know I am not going to check my iPad, which I use in my job ... I imagine many corp types practically strap their laptop to their legs, sensitive info etc etc ...

So what happens when you, literally, can't do business, and the point of the flight is ... business?

GReedDiamond

(5,313 posts)
38. OK, so all electronic devices with the exception of cell phones...
Sat May 13, 2017, 12:30 AM
May 2017

...will be checked in with all the other checked luggage.

What difference does that make, how does that protect the airline?

Couldn't a laptop rigged as a bomb go off almost as easily in the cargo hold as one sitting on the lap of a passenger/terrorist?

This makes no sense to me...but, these days, what does?

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