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(28,749 posts)Liberal In Texas
(13,554 posts)The Trump administration first placed an electronics ban in March on flights to the U.S. from 10 airports in eight Muslim-majority countries in North Africa and the Middle East. At the time, U.S. officials cited concerns over intelligence information suggesting that terrorist groups are developing technology to hide bombs in portable electronic devices.
The upcoming ban appears to be a geographic extension of this electronics block. In March, the DHS hinted that more airports could be added in the future. As threats change, so too will TSAs security requirements, reads a FAQ on the DHS website.
http://lifehacker.com/brace-yourself-there-s-about-to-be-an-electronics-trav-1795129082
kimbutgar
(21,155 posts)What are the airlines going to do if you can't use your personal device. Something tells me this is going to blow up figuratively In their faces and make a lot of people mad. I refuse to check my iPad or laptop. Air rage will increase exponentially if this ban stays in place.
HAB911
(8,893 posts)cannot leave the owners possession at any time
Heddi
(18,312 posts)granted, it's only in the US but my laptop is company owned and filled with proprietary software and filled to the gills with personal health information. When I started my job and started traveling for it I had to sign an agreement that checking the laptop into luggage, or leaving it in a hotel room outside of the safe, is grounds for immediate firing as well as some monetary fines related to HIPPA and data something or other. Basically, if I have that laptop with me, I have to take it *everywhere*. It is either on my body, or in a safe. It can't be checked, or left in a car, or sitting on the hotel desk.
This is going to be a really *bad* thing for airlines.
Keithwebman
(5 posts)I don't like this.
This didn't use to exist until 9/11.
Now, innocent people are being forcefully subject to unreasonable searches and seizures.
People should just encrypt their cell phones and Laptops.
If airports force the encryption should be open, then people need to use programs like VeraCrypt.
Hidden containers mean that, even if TSA or customs force somebody to disclose HIPPA protected information then somebody can store it in a hidden container. Encryption is mans best friend. If by-law the information is protected under HIPPA or other laws or our Constitution, and customs forces you at gunpoint to reveal the password then there is always the hidden drives under software such as VeraCrypt which used to be TrueCrypt.
HAB911
(8,893 posts)The terrorists main objective has been achieved
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)...that brings forth a mass passenger revolt.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)My husband is not allowed to check his work laptop. The company told him to check everything else if necessary, but not his laptop. It is to remain in his possession/view at all times when travelling.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)big cash windfall for them.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Domestic flights not so much. If there is a revenue component to this it's more about checked bags. More checked bags = more revenue. And at $30-50 a pop depending on what you're checking. Thats where the money is.
spanone
(135,841 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)It's checking my laptop that I have a problem with, particularly since I often travel with only a small backpack and a carry-on bag.
C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)So the terrorists just have to check their laptops???
Or they use any other kind of container???
Actually I'd feel safer with no checked baggage at all.
In fact, why don't we just all fly naked. That'll show 'em.
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tblue37
(65,391 posts)Liberal In Texas
(13,554 posts)It's laptops and the like that have to go into the hold.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)This is another fine mess you and your Cabal of Colluding Comrades have gotten us into.
* republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief
mnhtnbb
(31,391 posts)to have to check my laptop in my luggage. Had I known before the trip? OK. So, I don't get to
look at photos on the trip and have to wait until my return and leave the laptop at home.
Damn. There are going to be some very angry people in the middle of trips caught up by this new policy.
msongs
(67,413 posts)alarimer
(16,245 posts)Get ready to have your computers stolen or broken by the baggage handlers.
Also what happens if you don't check a bag? I mean, I guess you would take more than a carryon for a European vacation, but business travelers often travel much lighter.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Kindles, ipods also. My flight home from Greece this summer is going to be very long without them.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)Has not changed...yet. They reserve the right to change what is not allowed and which airports will be impacted by a new ruling. There are 10 airports (none in the US) that require checking certain electronic devices such as laptops. No domestic flights require that at this time. A change could be coming but at this point, the TSA Q&A notes no change and laptops (except for the 10 cities) continue to allow laptops to be brought on board.
By the way, I totally get it why people will be upset and angry if they ever do change the rule. Given the things that will "disappear" while in possession of the airline, it is no wonder people will be reluctant to turn these things over to the airline to transport. 😳
politicat
(9,808 posts)1) If they're concerned about lithium ion battery fires, having 25-100 in the cargo hold, stuffed amongst cotton and polyester fabric, where there's no crew access and no fire suppression, is more likely to cause a problem than having them in carry-on.
2) If they're hearing chatter that someone is going to turn them into bombs, this is still stupid since they're still allowing phones. Which link up to laptops, and can be used to trigger or start said fire, in an area with no fire protection. The cargo section isn't inside a Faraday cage.
3) Plane cargo holds are not fire or bomb-proof; they're right under the passenger seating area. And closer to the fuel tanks.
4) Cargo areas are pressurized, just like the rest of the plane. They can't be selectively de-pressurized, so it's not like a fire in the hold is more manageable than one in cabin. It's less manageable.
5) So... this isn't a safety issue. What is it? It's not like the airlines are going to make up the lost travel revenue ($800-1200 per business class seat) on $8 in flight entertainment and $75 baggage fees. This is a boon for video-conferencing (yay, actually, we're long past the need for face-time for every single thing) and remote office work, but the airlines don't have any good incentives for going along with this.
6) DHS/Customs have been making noise about and actually copying the contents of devices entering the country. Is this their way of doing so for all air travel? Assigning some low-level schmuck to ride cargo and copy every device in transit? Which is still stupid, because the signal to noise ratio (or cat and dick pics to data ratio) is going to be astronomical.
7) I'm seeing a market for rental Chromebooks/cloud-computers/stick interfaces at airports. Rent a cloud device or stick interface at your destination, everything lives on the Cloud or on a stick computer. For real security, leave the long, complex password in the office, don't memorize it, and call back once one has cleared Customs to retrieve it. Or travel with a $200 Chromebook with no stored data.
8) This is going to screw hardest with professional photographers and musicians, and anyone whose primary workspace is online.
9) Cunard still runs transatlantic routes. It takes 5-6 days, instead of 11-14 hours. Just sayin'.
10) This is fishy as all hell. It doesn't make sense at all, unless the point is to prevent travel into the US and discourage USians from leaving. Which I'm not entirely discounting.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Which makes it all the more strange.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)On my flight home from Greece this summer I can't have my kindle and my ipod? I'm going to hurt someone.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)Just wait until they have a plane load of people deprived of their devices. It won't be pretty.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I should send the bill to Delta. Along with the bill for the Ambien I'm going to have to take in order not to kill the flight attendant.
Liberal In Texas
(13,554 posts)alarimer
(16,245 posts)I'm sure minutes after this ban, the airlines will roll out some options for you. Only $25/ minute!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)From me. Ambien and a long book. I even bring my own food.
TeamPooka
(24,228 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)KG
(28,751 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)This has been anticipated for a while, orders from IT are to courier our laptops and tablets to our office in Toulouse in the event we can't board with them and IT in Toulouse will figure out how to repatriate them to the US.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...it would NEVER occur to terrorists to plant a bomb in the luggage hold instead, right?
Maybe they should ask the (surviving) residents of Lockerbie, Scotland about that one...
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)This would be very inconvenient for me. I need my laptop to work on the plane, plus at my destination, and there's no way I'm checking my laptop.
PsychoBabble
(837 posts)For many of us random travelers, probably no biggie ... but I know I am not going to check my iPad, which I use in my job ... I imagine many corp types practically strap their laptop to their legs, sensitive info etc etc ...
So what happens when you, literally, can't do business, and the point of the flight is ... business?
GReedDiamond
(5,313 posts)...will be checked in with all the other checked luggage.
What difference does that make, how does that protect the airline?
Couldn't a laptop rigged as a bomb go off almost as easily in the cargo hold as one sitting on the lap of a passenger/terrorist?
This makes no sense to me...but, these days, what does?