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So which is it? Is this DT's last stand or are we headed for fascism??? (Original Post) mindfulNJ May 2017 OP
I hear you... cilla4progress May 2017 #1
That's all dependant on the other two branches of government at this point. Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #2
Its all about the money madokie May 2017 #6
both Afromania May 2017 #3
It depends on the Republicans in the Senate. Big Blue Marble May 2017 #4
Gees. I read this wrong and thought you said, It depends on the Russians in the Senate! Oh no. The Wielding Truth May 2017 #17
Facism Cosmocat May 2017 #5
And I don't see how that will happen in a big enough way. Maybe voters will wake up& gotv lunasun May 2017 #12
the odds are SO long Cosmocat May 2017 #19
Considering it is a dem state, and the demographics , in this example , it is your last item! lunasun May 2017 #22
We are on the knife's edge lapfog_1 May 2017 #7
Fascism. BannonsLiver May 2017 #8
Don't overlook hurple May 2017 #10
A bit of both... I think there will be an escalation of dick-tatorial behavior while the legal MedusaX May 2017 #9
This is THE question SHRED May 2017 #11
I'm hopeful I'm going with last stand TNLib May 2017 #13
I have to remain hopeful. mindfulNJ May 2017 #15
Eh... Fascism is HERE. We don't have to wait. Aren't you relieved? Eyeball_Kid May 2017 #14
One of the two. H2O Man May 2017 #16
Indeed. mindfulNJ May 2017 #18
Headed? Solly Mack May 2017 #20
Both. Iggo May 2017 #21

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
2. That's all dependant on the other two branches of government at this point.
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:19 AM
May 2017

Are they going to make a stand for themselves or let this horror run all over them?

madokie

(51,076 posts)
6. Its all about the money
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:21 AM
May 2017

Getting re-elected too but thats only so they can pocket more money. So its all about the Money

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
5. Facism
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:20 AM
May 2017

last stand is November of 2018.

If this country does not course correct in a BIG way then, it's over.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
12. And I don't see how that will happen in a big enough way. Maybe voters will wake up& gotv
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:37 AM
May 2017

For instance here was an instant target who always votes for the Rs plan ahca, etc

CHICAGO -- U.S. Rep. Peter Roskam (R-Ill.) is the target of an early Democratic congressional effort to oust GOP members in 2018, including some recently considered to be in safe districts.

On Thursday, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee announced that Roskam was among 20 Republicans nationally it is pouring an “unprecedented” amount of resources into defeating. The move comes less than two weeks into the start of President Donald Trump’s administration.
Here are the results of his win in 16. This is in Illinois and outside in not so far suburbias of Chicago
I don't see those traditional heavy republican voter areas changing on house elections although I hear good news , it is more like committes want to target him but I don't see the voter turn over.

Roskam garnered 201,194 votes, while his Democratic challenger, Amanda Howland, received 136,655 votes, according to unofficial results from Cook, DuPage, Lake, Kane and McHenry counties.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
19. the odds are SO long
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:49 AM
May 2017

playing defense and three times as many senate slots as the Rs ...

MASSIVE gerrymandering in the House ...

Onslaught of voter suppression efforts by the Rs ...

This country under a zombie apocalypse of political stupid ...

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
7. We are on the knife's edge
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:22 AM
May 2017

Galadriel: The Quest stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little, and it will fail, to the ruin of all. Yet hope remains while the Company is true.

Paraphrase : The Experiment in Democracy stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little, and it will fail, to the ruin of all. Yet hope remains while Patriots remain true.

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
8. Fascism.
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:22 AM
May 2017

I was hopeful last night, but have seen enough today to know that America is over. Just a matter of how long it takes to swirl down the bowl.

hurple

(1,306 posts)
10. Don't overlook
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:36 AM
May 2017

Don't overlook the power of the press. There *will* be a reckoning! The firing of Comey just made their job even more important, and they will step up and they will have *all* the details. Everything the IC knows will be made full public. How and when is the question. But, somebody inside the FBI will leak everything. I'm convinced.

Why?

Because...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141770573

After that, it's just a matter of the public giving enough of a damn to do anything after that.

Oh, dear god, we are so screwed...

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
9. A bit of both... I think there will be an escalation of dick-tatorial behavior while the legal
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:26 AM
May 2017

Side of things plays out...

Ultimately, IMO, the future of democracy in US will be determined by the success/failure of state courts (NY in particular) to prosecute related RICO cases in a timely manner.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
14. Eh... Fascism is HERE. We don't have to wait. Aren't you relieved?
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:42 AM
May 2017

If you look at the factors that need to be in place for a functioning fascist government, the US is already there from an institutional/financial POV. The social aspects are catching up. Soon there WILL be violence and extreme civil unrest, as well as the stripping away of civil rights. That's the last part of the takeover of fascism. Everything else is in place.

Solly Mack

(90,769 posts)
20. Headed?
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:54 AM
May 2017

Fascism/fascist thought has been in America since the 1920's.

American Fascism: From the 1920s to Trump

America's Changing View of Mussolini and Italian Fascism


Republicans and fascists have long been indistinguishable, softly blending one into the other. The GOP has spent years reshaping how (some) Americans think and see the world. Planting the seeds for accepting Authoritarian rule by dressing it up in the flag and calling it freedom, public safety, and national security.

They have managed to integrate fascist thought into their governing style and Americans blindly call it the Grand Old Party, accepting the premise of fascism - though seldom called by its rightful name - as a legitimate structure for our democracy - in the form of an opposing party - under the guise of healthy debate - necessary and vital to America's democracy. We have reduced America's version of fascism to a mere "policy difference", with the GOP claiming that Democrats/Liberals are trying to criminalize politics by objecting to their authoritarianism.

America is not headed toward fascism - America has been in a constant struggle against fascism for almost a 100 years.



*** Nationalism and super-patriotism with a sense of historic mission.

*** Aggressive militarism even to the extent of glorifying war as good for the national or individual spirit.

*** Use of violence or threats of violence to impose views on others (fascism and Nazism both employed street violence and state violence at different moments in their development).

*** Authoritarian reliance on a leader or elite not constitutionally responsible to an electorate.

*** Cult of personality around a charismatic leader.

*** Reaction against the values of Modernism, usually with emotional attacks against both liberalism and communism.

*** Exhortations for the homogeneous masses of common folk (Volkish in German, Populist in the U.S.) to join voluntarily in a heroic mission_often metaphysical and romanticized in character.

*** Dehumanization and scapegoating of the enemy_seeing the enemy as an inferior or subhuman force, perhaps involved in a conspiracy that justifies eradicating them.

*** The self image of being a superior form of social organization beyond socialism, capitalism and democracy.

*** Elements of national socialist ideological roots, for example, ostensible support for the industrial working class or farmers; but ultimately, the forging of an alliance with an elite sector of society.

*** Abandonment of any consistent ideology in a drive for state power.
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