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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy did street drugs proliferate and get so much into the mainstream in the
last, say, 50 years? They were around before then, but the perception was that they were only used/dealt by small subgroups and in large cities.
I'm not thinking of marijuana, but of other street drugs, such as cocaine or heroin.
I don't believe it was just because of cultural shifts, either.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)and if so, where the hell do they get the cash?
raccoon
(31,118 posts)Frannyfannypack
(7 posts)rather than blow their money on cheap electronics, sports events, strippers, booze, etc.?
Not sure where this air of superiority comes from that suggests people who use recreational drugs are by definition thieves. Also not sure why alcohol always gets a free pass. From a medical perspective, it's is a pretty fucking dangerous substance.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
NotThisTime
(3,657 posts)Living in suburbia I'm living it first freaking hand, over entitled middle class kids want what they want, and my oldest is head of the pack. Can't do a damn thing about it since he's 17, we can't even make him submit to a damn drug test, we can't force him into rehab, hell we can't even get him to see a counselor. He's a lifeguard by the way, boss has no problem what he does in his off time. Should have made him grow up in a damn tent. Do middle classer's get it, use it, sell it, hell freaking yes....
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)but once he's 18 it's too late, and he can sign out...
DO IT. DO IT NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)As kids we were basically told that if we so much as looked at a joint sideways, within three months we'd be passed out in an alley covered in bodily fluids.
The war on drugs draws a false equivalency that people buy into.
People try weed and don't die, then they're like "Hey, I wonder what cocaine is like."
I know dozens if not hundreds of people who have done hard drugs and who are fine, upstanding members of society. I also know people who have become addicts and died of overdoses.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)and the drugs. Because they lie about marijuana, people think that the warnings about real drugs is a hoax.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)far more dangerous drug than marijuana. Countless people I know will rave about the dangers of marijuana, but yet drink themselves silly saying hey, I don't do drugs. This is such an uneducated society. America really needs to grow up. It's exactly as you say, the lies about marijuana eliminates the creditability about the dangers of real drugs.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)were not even on bath salts.
how can we explain the behavior if it wasn't drugs?
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)you that what you state here is true.
JHB
(37,161 posts)...a whole industry hadn't grown up yet around "drug education", and demonstrable bs was funny.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)And, legally available.....
Heroin and cocaine was marketed by bayer and cocaine was actually an ingredient in the original coca cola.
http://wings.buffalo.edu/aru/preprohibition.htm
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)The hospital that misplaced me twice (seriously) wouldn't listen to her parents' pleas. The cops and prison wouldn't either. She hung herself in jail with a bed sheet. Such a waste.
If pot was legal and as available as it was 35 years ago, I doubt so many people would turn to meth, heroin, and prescription drugs. Nobody has ever died from THC poisoning.
waddirum
(979 posts)I've also heard of studies using MDMA to treat addiction and PTSD
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)a surprisingly consistent level. Somewhere between 5% - 15% of the population will be addicted to drugs, period. Substance and legal status are irrelevant. The only thing we find so far that changes this is social and economic environment. Drug abuse goes down in good times and rises in bad.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)MSM is cheap advertisement to maintain the WoD's as long as we remain convinced the Status Quo is the only solution. Fear. Be Fearful. Drug addiction has been a huge problem for a very, very long time-in the really early days, dr's prescribed Opium as addiction mgt. Coca Cola used to use real Cocaine in soda's...Marijuana was OTC and in everything from baby teething drops to horse liniment..No one thought much about it.
Before For Profit Prohibition, it was a "managable" problem.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)making big bucks off the war on drugs, lots of big bucks. There's a whole feeding chain off of the war on drugs and that includes those doing the inane enforcement on some drugs. I often think of it as somewhat similar to the MIC profits off these damn "for profit wars" the US is fond of doing while claiming the moral high ground.
Warpy
(111,332 posts)I grew up in a regimented society and hated it. Drugs offered a temporary respite.
Since then, the society has become just a little less regimented although class boundaries and structure has become increasingly rigid. The only ladders that still exist will take you down, not up. A lot of people have lost hope of anything better. Even more people out there never had that hope to begin with. The prevailing feeling out there in workaday land is that things will continue to get worse, never get better.
While I think there's always been a place for recreational drugs, I also think they only become a problem when a culture is stressed to the max, something ours definitely is. Even the existence of baggers and their reactionary agenda is evidence of it.
We're almost at a breaking point in this country and the spread of illegal substances of abuse throughout the culture is only one symptom of it.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)I wonder how much longer can this insanity continue. This, is a very ill country. Not that others aren't, but I'm very hard pressed to think of America as a healthy country.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)in a healthy society fewer would feel the need to "self-medicate".
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)100 years ago you could get your coke and opiates at the nearest pharmacy.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)form but never left. Heroin got popular because of Vietnam and the CIA cutting deals with drug dealing warlords. The reason why these drugs got popular was because they got cheaper and more people knew what they were due to seeing them in movies and referenced in music.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)They could pick it up at the TGIF down the street.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/14/nyregion/14fridays.html
Bernie Madoff's office was called The North Pole because of the amount of cocaine involved in his business.
They can easily acquire it via the prostitution services they use.
Hynes said clients often spent in excess of $10,000 in a single night.
They were "all high-end customers coming from the financial markets. People with nothing but money," he said.
Police said the business was extremely sophisticated, running several escort websites and using dummy corporations with misleading names and codes during business-related phone calls.
But the recession is taking its toll.
http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2010/08/20/wall-street-drug-use-employees-giving-up-cocaine-for-pot-and-pills/
Except we know the CEOs don't get drug tested.
Among existing employees, psychologists and counselors said that drug abuse has not slackened. Some even said it is peaking, exacerbated by the credit crisis and the volatile and tenuous recovery that has ensued.
But what - WHAT?
raccoon
(31,118 posts)nanabugg
(2,198 posts)Igel
(35,350 posts)I grew up in an area that missed the '60s. It was only when Vietnam vets started coming home that the '60s got to us, and that was in the '70s.
Drugs were for losers. You didn't use drugs. It was frowned upon. Not just by adults, but by peers. Alcohol, sure. Maybe, if you were in the right groups, pot. Otherwise, if they found out you used cocaine, heroine, uppers, etc., your friends would just ask if you were f-ing crazy and walk away.
Result: Yeah, there was some drug use. But it was quiet, it was discouraged, and it was contained. Or it was the only socially acceptable kind, alcohol.
By the time I graduated high school heroine and cocaine, etc., were cool. If you didn't use them and you were in certain social groups you thought you were better than them--or a loser--and they asked if you were f-ing crazy and walked away. We were already talking about restricting alcohol consumption even as more and more kids were getting high.
There were other reasons--easier transportation, kids had a lot more disposable income, parents had lowered expectations of responsibility from their kids.
Many themselves had changed--they'd enjoyed a fair bit of prosperity and liberalized expectations and thought, the public schools raised them as herds of peers. That meant they were generally less rigorous in their discipline--Dr. Spock and all that.
Many kids had learned the "if you did it it's wrong to tell me I can't do it" game. As though committing a mistake is prima facie evidence that the experience can only leave you none the wiser. It's something kids always tried to do, I'd guess--but suddenly it worked. "Sorry, son, you're right--you shouldn't benefit from anybody else's wisdom, you have to commit all the possible mistakes to learn your own lessons." And other such BS.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)Heroin and cocaine were legal initially. Then controlled by doctors. It wasn't until the 1930s that organized crime took over the distribution of heroin. Same with cocaine. Before stricter labor laws, people used cocaine to work - sometimes their bosses supplied it.
In the 1950s, A LOT of people used methamphetamine...housewives, beat poets, truck drivers... Before that, the military used meth - and still uses "speed" for soldiers.
And soldiers in Vietnam and Afghanistan learned about heroin and smuggled it back to the U.S. sometimes. People self-medicate often - such as soldiers.
Heroin use has been down for decades. The two illegal drugs that are most popular are cocaine and marijuana. Cocaine use is concentrated among the relatively affluent. Marijuana is the most popularly used illegal substance by HUGE amounts over cocaine.
Illegal drug use is reported among 9% of the ADULT population - so, that's not a huge number. 21 million - and of those, 17 million are marijuana users. Meth is down to nearly nothing use. That compares to 131 million who drink and 70 million who use tobacco.
The average age of drug use has increased.
http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/08/study-22-million-americans-use-illegal-drugs-3/
The reality is that humans have used drugs throughout history - since at least 5000 b.c. The Victorians were drunkards and opium addicts. Americans used to drink HUGE amounts of alcohol - esp. cider - so drug use is as American as apple cider.
Puritans drank more beer than water.
When distilled liquor became more popular than beer, cider or wine, the temperance movement began - in the early 1800s. It took 100 years for prohibitionists to pass laws to ban alcohol. That didn't last long - but the move to prohibit or ban various substances brought organized crime into the big time once it did happen.
Seems to me people have used mind-altering substances for a long time. You're just more familiar with recent times.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)And lets don't forget the Movie "Valley Of The Dolls" where pill popping was glamorized in the 60's-and "Mother's Little Blue Pill" which was Valium, I think-also 50's & 60's.
Seeking a euphoric state is primal. Little kids spin & spin around so they can experience the altered state of "dizzy".
Organized crime, indeed. Harry Anslinger was one of 'em. Today it's the Politicians, Prison Industrial Complex, Drug Testing Co's, Drug Test Kit Mfg/Labs etc. Gov Rick Scott and his "Drug test Everybody but me" policy.
He Owns the companies that does the testing. The whole WoD's is a scam to usurp $$$ away from frightened tax payers. It costs More to house a prisoner for 4 years than an economical 4 year college degree.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)General Smedley Butler talked about war being a racket because he "liberated" the Philippines for Chaquita Banana to exploit workers there.
The War on Drugs is a racket to allow black ops to fund their work outside of taxpayer view, to institute a "New Jim Crow" that allows poor rural whites to imprison poor urban blacks and bring money to rural areas in "for profit" prisons - and, not coincidentally, to raise the population numbers in conservative voting districts...
Any time something is illegal that's also something people want - someone is going to step into the breech to fill the market - at a higher cost, with higher social costs, than were ever part of the issue when things were legal.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)Thanks. Here are some more.
(This one was used in a Betty Boop cartoon)
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Mission Accomplished.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)addicted to opium (sold as 'laudanum') and may have written some of his greatest works while under its influence or shortly after having used (thinking, specifically, 'Kubla Khan').
Back in the early 19th Century and indeed into the 20th, such substances were legal and easily obtained with at best a mild social stigma. So 'profliferation' seems a loaded term. Their price definitely increased when they were made illegal, exactly as standard economic theory would predict when a black market comes into existence and vendors must price in the risk of incarceration, but I doubt there was much 'proliferation.'
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Since it was "medicine" there was no tax, like liquor had.
we human beings are wired to self medicate. All of us do it.
Hell, when you go to the gym and have a workout, you release endorphins, which give you that work out "high." Note that most ex-heroin addicts are sucessful if they take up athletics afterwards. Iggy Pop quit heroin and seriously got into body building.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)We're far more connected internationally than in the early 60s, which means easier product and that leads to more demand. It's pretty much that simple.
htuttle
(23,738 posts)You could buy them at the store in a lot of places, too.
Pot was legal, as well. You could buy a tincture of it at the pharmacist.