Our 2020 Candidate must have the "IT" factor!! Warren, Clinton do not!! Sanders only attracted

[Pisces]

White people. We need a candidate that people want to campaign for, that people want to go door to door for, that people want to vote for!!

Sanders has a great message but zero appeal to minorities. It is the truth, no matter how much people want it to be different. Warren is like the church lady from SNL. People will tune her out, this is not pleasant to say, but true. Clinton rubs people wrong, and people don't like her. It isn't fair but it is the fact.

As a group we need to set aside these candidates and come up with a viable winner. All of the arguing about what any of these people say or do right now means nothing. They will not be the candidates nor should they be, so who cares what they are saying. This is a distraction from our true purpose of taking back the Presidency!!!!!!

[Yavin4]

1. How about focusing on 2018 first.

The Democratic party needs to flatten their appeal. They need to appeal to different people in different states. Putting all of our eggs into the presidential basket is a flawed strategy.

[Pisces]

16. I agree, however, there are so many posts worrying about what Sanders, Warren

And Clinton are saying. None of it matters because these people should not be our 2020 candidates. It is a distraction from our goal of retaking the White House

[arfcorps]

2. Agreed! This isn't a Rocky comeback movie

Forget Clinton, forget Sanders and quite frankly Warren doesn't have it..

We need a new start, and a distinct contrast to an aging 74 year old Trump (should he make it that far).

We need our own Trudeau, and he can be NASCAR, gun and Jesus lovin' for all I care because the one thing we need to do is start reducing the voting power of the religious right by encouraging a transformation towards the religious left.

"The teachings of Jesus compel us to pass a Single Payer System!" - yep I'm happy to hear that at this point if that's what it takes, turn the religious rights own arguments against them.

We need to extend the traditional democratic base, because with the Electoral College, we're not guaranteed a win based on voting numbers alone.

We need to encourage non-voters and millennials by giving them something to be excited about.

We don't need another Ralph Nader either, so Bernie (and I voted for him), Warren and Stein need to realize their time has been and gone.

[hamsterjill]

5. And NO Oprah!

n/t

[Pisces]

14. Absolutely not!

[oasis]

28. Hell to the no! She should stay quietly on the sidelines.

And I mean totally and completely quiet.

[bettyellen]

19. "The teachings of Jesus" in a stump speech to unify Americans? Nope.

[NewJeffCT]

3. Agreed - we need a candidate with Charisma

I've posted similar several times since the election - I have been saying that at the presidential level, the more charismatic candidate always wins.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan was the smooth and optimistic former actor, one of the most charismatic Republicans of the 20th century. Jimmy Carter, while smart and extremely competent, was portrayed as stiff and indecisive. Reagan wins big.

1984, Reagan swamps Walter Mondale, a smart and competent, but low charisma candidate.

1988 featured two low charisma candidates, but Mike Dukakis took blandness to epic levels. Bush wins on Reagan’s coattails.

1992 featured the young and charismatic Bill Clinton against low charisma George HW Bush. Clinton wins handily.

1996 was Clinton again versus stern and serious Bob Dole. Clinton wins handily again.

2000 featured “down home” regular guy George W. Bush and out of touch and overly serious elitist Al Gore. Bush ekes out a win.

2004 featured Bush again against smart and competent but bland John Kerry. Bush wins.

2008 was young and charismatic Barack Obama against stern and serious John McCain. Obama wins.

2012 was Obama again versus the elitist and out of touch Mitt Romney. Obama wins.

2016 was Hillary Clinton – very smart and competent, but not the most exciting person versus Trump. Donald Trump was a train wreck, but he had that smarmy con-man charisma that sucked up all the media attention. Trump ekes out a win.

[delisen]

7. heck let's just bribe Trump and run him. He will switch sides

if the price is right.

[PoliticAverse]

27. I don't think you could outbid Republicans. n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. Corey booker oozes charisma. I like kamala Harris

But there are a few young dem mayors who should also run.

[smirkymonkey]

45. It's unfortunate, but true. We are living in a reality show world and if we really want

to win we need a rock-star. Of course, they need to be on the right side of the issues as well, but it has to be someone who is going to get people out of the house and into the voting booths and so far, recycling our old veterans is not doing the trick.

I like Hillary, Bernie and Liz - I think they are all doing great work where they are, but I don't think any of them should be our choice for 2020.

[NewJeffCT]

4. Joe Biden has charisma

and appeals to a broad spectrum of people. That said, he's almost as old as Sanders, so might not be the best option.

Who are the charismatic younger Democrats?

Corey Booker?
Kamala Harris?
Kirsten Gillibrand?
Julian Castro?

[dem in texas]

9. Texan Beto O'Rourke

He's the Democratic Representative from El Paso, he's got the "it" but not the chops as yet, he needs a few more years experience. He has announced he is running against Ted Cruz so we can see how this plays out.

One of the Castor twins need to make a move, they seem boring in comparison to Beto,

[NewJeffCT]

10. Julian gave a very good speech at the DNC in 2012

and then he disappeared when he got into the Obama White House as the HUD secretary?

[Pisces]

13. Al Franken? I think he could appeal to many people.

[NewJeffCT]

15. I love Al

and, he's great as a senator, but he's 65 years old now. While he's witty and charming, I'm not sure how is humor would play on a national stage.

[NunnesBuznat]

34. But Trump is a mean circus clown

He constantly used "humor" with his rallygoers. Mean, derisive humor, but humor nonetheless. Remember when he made fun of the disabled? That shit is an SNL skit to his imbreds.
The most important thing about 2016 is that it proved an overturned traffic cone covered in slurs and feces could get elected with the right campaign

[NewJeffCT]

35. His followers loved his mean, racist

humor because it was "politically incorrect"

and, the ones that still voted for him in spite of that are just as bad since it was acceptable to them.

[NunnesBuznat]

53. I'm saying that it refutes the abovementioned statement that Franken couldn't win because he's funny

Comedy, their comedy, worked for their side. There's nothing to suggest it's inherently a detractor.
Heck, Obama's approval went up as he was campaigning for Hillary. I say campaigning but it sounded like he was doing a standup gig at times, and the jokes landed.

[frankieallen]

49. Not a good choice in my opinion, people either love him or hate him

and the people that hate him, really hate him.

[Javaman]

6. ...

[DrDan]

8. 65,853,516 voted for Clinton

[Pisces]

12. Yes, I was one of those votes. I can still clearly see that she should not be our candidate in 2020!

2020 is not relitigating the last election. We need to look forward and pick a candidate with Charisma.
Not a controversial statement

[DrDan]

17. your own words - "We need a candidate that . . . people want to vote for"

nearly 3 million more votes than trump. I'd say folks wanted to vote for her.

[Mariana]

21. I don't think that's a reasonable conclusion to draw.

All those people did vote for her, that's a fact. It doesn't mean they were thrilled about it, or that they would do it again. Do you know how many of her votes were votes for the lesser evil? I don't, but I bet it was a substantial percentage. I know of too many people who didn't really want to vote for her, but did it anyway because Trump is so awful.

[DrDan]

23. you know what they say about assuming

[Mariana]

38. Exactly. It's foolish to assume

that all of Hillary's votes came from people who were happy about voting for her, or who would have voted for her at all if her opponent weren't such a disgusting person.

[mythology]

48. As opposed to your assumptions?

You are making a claim you can't support.

[frankieallen]

50. Hillary had her chance, she will not generate the excitement needed

to win. She needs to work from the sidelines affecting change, something she can still do very well. Hillary has the power and the clout needed to work for the people that can't do it themselves, but she's done as a presidential candidate.
Everyone, including her, know this.
Done
Done

[standingtall]

40. Every vote for every President in history

has always been a vote for the lesser of two evils and always will be. There is not some fantasy candidate on the horizon that everybody is going to like and Barack Obama types come along about once a generation. Unless we can convince voters issue matter more than personalities our Presidential victories are going to be few and far between.

[Iggo]

11. Already starting a new primary fight? You miss the last one already?

Don't feel divided enough?

Yeah, no thanks.

See ya!

[Arazi]

18. That's not true @ Bernie actually. New Harvard Study Shatters Myth of White Bernie Bros

Bernie's supporters are as diverse as they come. The false propaganda meme that his supporters were all white was deliberately spread

http://thepoliticalorder.com/new-harvard-study-just-shattered-biggest-myth-bernie-supporters/

Despite a stream of propaganda from Democratic establishment leaders, a new poll finds that Bernie Sanders’ popularity extends to minorities and women.

During the 2016 Democratic presidential primary contest, the “Bernie Bro” trope became a tried-and-true myth propagated by people at the highest levels of the national Democratic Party apparatus. The pejorative — first used in late 2015 — used to describe Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vermont) most ardent supporters typically refers to young white men between the ages of 25 and 35 who were vociferous in both their support of the Vermont senator and their opposition to eventual Democratic nominee and failed general election candidate Hillary Clinton.

Snip

However, a new survey conducted by Harvard University and The Harris Poll disproves all of those comments about the Sanders coalition with hard numbers. According to the survey results, which were conducted among 2,027 registered voters between April 14 and April 17, 2017, Sanders is actually more popular among women, African Americans, Hispanics, and Asian Americans than white people and men.

Snip

[bettyellen]

20. That's true about literally every democrat out there, LOL. If you cared about these voters

You'd already know that instead of falling for this shit.
The white male voters give us the GOP. That's the context of this study.

[PotatoChip]

33. The irony to that study's findings is that Bernie does LEAST well w/whites...

[standingtall]

41. Problem with this survey is

The majority of white people favor republicans. So when Bernie is compared to republicans of course he is more popular among minorities,but Bernie compared to a Democrat with a following is a totally different story.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. We have a good deep bench. No need to settle on some one

Now, if we go it will give the right, alt right, and alt left even more time to attack them.

[PotatoChip]

24. If Bernie had a problem w/minorities in the past, he definitely does not now.

Check out these favorability ratings. Ironically, and despite the Bernie-bro myth, he does LEAST well with White people.

But I do agree that he shouldn't run again given how old he will be in 2020.

[StevieM]

31. I don't agree that Bernie will be too old to run but I do think he has shown less appeal

to minority voters.

It is to be expected that his number would be higher with minority voters. All Democrats do better with minority voters.

[PotatoChip]

36. But I thought Bernie was "not a democrat". At least that's what I've been told...

[StevieM]

39. It is the same principle. He is a politician who is left to left of center. (eom)

[get the red out]

26. Agree!

Like President Obama.

[NunnesBuznat]

29. Yeah no.

MA here people flip their shit about Warren. My dad who is pretty apolitical made donations to her campaign (he's pretty poor too). Are you lumping her with Hillary because they're both prominent female democrats of around 70?

[TNLib]

30. Franken and Biden

But I'd like to see several good candidates in the primary so we can vet and pick someone that runs a strong campaign but is also strong on policy and experience.

[janterry]

51. I like Franken, too

He has energy, charisma - and good humor --that's important, too - Trump's lack of humor has taught us that .

[Nevermypresident]

32. Are we more interested in a progressive, moderate, or conservative Democrat?

This goes for 2018 as well (in red districts and/or swing districts).
What are your thoughts?

[Blue Idaho]

37. I want a 50 state strategy always and a young leader carrying an old message.

The inclusive message that the party believed in before we became triangulating DLC apostles.

[peggysue2]

42. How About . . .

Gavin Newsom? Lt Governor of California, running for Governor in 2018. Charismatic, articulate and intelligent, tall and handsome and unquestionably progressive.

[Pisces]

43. Yes, I think he would be a great candidate!

[WinkyDink]

44. Joe Kennedy III.

[smirkymonkey]

46. Seth Moulton (D-MA)

https://moulton.house.gov/

?1408417961

[janterry]

52. He's cute

I don't know much more than that, but..............he's cute

[Warren DeMontague]

47. Gavin Newsom.

[Yorkist]

54. If the current climate....

.......where politicians in general are disliked as a breed continues, and I imagine it will, then why stick with mainstream politicians as the only source of candidates ?

It's worth considering turning Trumps celebrity appeal against him and have him go up against a Hollywood or business heavyweight. It'd be a walkover.

[Sparkly]

55. One person's "charisma" is another person's "zero appeal."

We do the best we can.

[crazycatlady]

56. I think many would agree which politicians have charisma

Whether you're on their side or not. For example, I disagree with everything that comes out of Sarah Palin's mouth, but she has charisma. People on the right would say that about President Obama.

[TheFrenchRazor]

57. won't matter, as long as we have the EC and hackable voting machnes. nt