It's happening again... MSNBC is drifting to the right the same way that CNN did.

[Firebrand Gary]

After seeing many post referring to MSNBC's movement to the right, I have to admit that it is ever more apparent now. When Morning Joe was new and in it's first two years remained a middle of the road program, obviously those days are long gone.

We have seen liberal commentators flee and banned. Journalist canceled.

The Daily Rundown was largely middle of the road as well, however with the departure of Guthrie, the show is now nothing more than a mouth piece for Wall St.

Ratigan, while a bit too libertarian for me was at least tolerable, now we have SE Cupp? Really?

I should avoid getting started with Michael Steele....Ugh

Even the content has changed. For 3 days we have been watching the "Romney Olympics", the GOP love story of Mia Love (which being promoted by MSNBC will hurt her DEMOCRATIC opponent, considering what the Utah GOP did to the states redistricting).

Current is a long ways from competing with MSNBC, let's hope they are up to the task in the near future, they are in the Minor's at best....

[patricia92243]

1. I was always surprised that people thought MSNBC was a liberal station.

The large majority of it has ALWAYS been right wing. They got a few liberal commentators at night - which is more than most stations have - and that gave everybody the idea that they were liberal.

Getting out our message has always been difficult. People want to live liberal - they just don't want to hear about it.

[Firebrand Gary]

5. I did not realize that Scarborough had an evening show originally.

It must have been on the verge of collapse.

[Logical]

8. Are you kidding me......

Ed
Rachel
Lawrence

Three SOLID hours if 100% pure liberals. Plus repeats. Name ONE other station that does that. MSNBC is much more liberal than any other network.

We just like to complain.

[Firebrand Gary]

18. 3 Solid hours, IT'S A WHOLE FREAKING NETWORK! 3 hours is not enough

Especially when EVERY other cable network is full of right wing propaganda.

[juajen]

19. You left out Tweety and he is liberal 90 percent of the time.

Also Bashir is very liberal.

[Firebrand Gary]

22. Yes, they are both great! My concern is the networks move to the right.

Yea, MSNBC has liberal talent, but for how long at this current rate?

[NewJeffCT]

24. And, Rev. Al as well

They're liberal from 5pm to 11pm EST.

They're conservative in the morning with Morning Joe.

[Fawke Em]

35. 4 to 11 p.m., now.

Martin Bashir has moved to the 4 p.m. time slot. He's certainly no conservative.

[mythology]

41. Plus the weekend shows with Chris Hayes and Melissa Harris-Perry

Neither of them are conservative.

[Iliyah]

37. Doesn't Morning Joe's ratings suck?

And they still keep him on?

Yes, Martin B., Rev. Sharpton, sometime Tweedy, Ed, Lawrence and the very impressive Rachael.

Hell, all of them are extremely impressive, and instead of always going on attacks (lies) like the RW broadcast they do what real journalist do, investigate.

[csziggy]

34. Tamron Hall is also great though since David Schuster left she's moderated

I think she worries about her job since she and Schuster were such a great team! To see an example of them working together, find the YouTube video of them versus Orly Taitz.

[dionysus]

55. some people want a liberal version of Faux News. while i'm grateful for people like rachel and ed,

because we're being outgunned by RWers on TV, it'd be nice if we got back tothe point of the news; no slant either way. but as long as we're bombarded with right wing shit on TV, we need all the rachels and eds we can get.

[maryellen99]

9. It's a stupid meme pushed by teabaggers

They call NBC "National Barack Channel".

[kenichol]

23. I'm not surprized.

The owners of MSNBC and their advertisers do not want to be associated with and disturbed by liberal content on their station. It is upsetting to their appetites and it weakens their social circle.

[AlbertCat]

26. and that gave everybody the idea that they were liberal.

No.

The right wing media screaming and whining about a few shows that are not GOP propaganda told people it was the opposite of Fox News, and people fell for that BS hook line and sinker.

[siligut]

2. Shows the influence of money to create small, incremental changes over time.

SE Crupp is a calculation error, as unlikable as Romney and by misplacing Martin Bashir, she is sand in the machine. The RW might as well bite the heads off of kittens, which is good for us actually, and no kittens had to suffer.

[spanone]

3. m$nbc is owned by general electric....do the math

[INdemo]

27. didnt Comcast buy a big chunk though?

[INdemo]

30. didnt Comcast buy a big chunk though?

Comcast NBC merger

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/18/technology/fcc_comcast_nbc/index.htm

[spanone]

32. Comcast now owns 51% of NBC Universal while GE owns 49%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBCUniversal

[WI_DEM]

4. I've always found MSNBC more conservative by day and liberal by evening and night.

Really, though, a news organization shouldn't be either liberal or conservative but just deliver the news in an objective way. Those days are sadly long gone.

[Firebrand Gary]

6. Those days are gone. =( Though I do like Sawyer and Williams.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

7. Agree 100%

I want to see/read the who, what, when, and where when I'm watching the news. I enjoy op-eds and advocacy/opinion shows, such as Rachel and Ed, but even though they do focus on bring context to news stories, I don't consider them "news".

[cyberpj]

21. Aaron Sorkin's new show, The Newsroom, on HBO is about just that. Which is why

only liberals will watch it and it will be discredited by all sorts of people in all sorts of ways:

http://www.hbo.com/the-newsroom/index.html

[bahrbearian]

10. $$$$$$$$$$, There is always Current, ya gotta love Al Gore

[joshdawg]

15. Yes!

Bill Press and Stephanie Miller in the morning with Granholm in the evenings.

[AlbertCat]

28. There is always Current

No one ever seems to know about Democracy Now and Link.

[Iliyah]

38. Can't wait until Current comes out

in full force! Thats journalism.

I'm in Cali and Bill Press comes on at 3:00 a.m., Stephenie at 6:00 a.m., than I wait until 1:00 p.m. for Martin, wait against until 3:00 p.m. for the Rev., 4:00 - Turks, switch back and forth from 5:00 p.m. thereon.

I would love for one station tho for the progressives, but hey, no complaints here!

[Plucketeer]

40. What about Free Speech TV

Doesn't anyone here watch that??? T'would be tough to be more liberal than FSTV!

[Auntie Bush]

49. What and where is FSTV? Enlighten me.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

53. Free Speech TV - a liberal TV network

Thom Hartmann's programs are broadcast by them as well Amy Goodman's Democracy Now, along with lots of other liberal-oriented shows and appearances by people like Noam Chomsky and Laura Flanders. It's at 348 if you have Direct TV, channel 9415 if you have Dish Network. Listener-supported and commercial free, they're better than Current in my opinion. In fact, there's no one on the air anywhere better than Amy Goodman and Thom Hartmann, with the exception of Rachel Maddow.

Website:
https://www.freespeech.org/

[bahrbearian]

61. Yes I love Tom Hartmann and Amy, I listen to Tom on the Radio and Tivo Amy

They Can't stop the Truth

[randr]

11. Chris Hayes is the exception

Excellent show Sat. & Sun. 6am to 8am here in the west.

[Firebrand Gary]

13. Hayes is exceptional, MHP is finding her traction too.

But let's face it, they are buried on the weekend for a reason.

[DJ13]

12. Comcast now owns them

[Auntie Bush]

50. And they donate to Romney and Rethug.

Actually, All these Corp media owners are making money off Dems and giving it to ReThugs.

[geckosfeet]

14. And NPR.

A most diabolical plan.

Draw them in with semi-progressive/liberal programming then inject RW messaging in increasing volume over time.

[Firebrand Gary]

17. The thing is

We progressives are not idiots, we know how to select different media. It's a matter of time before their ratings drop.

[snappyturtle]

16. I think I heard from Lawrence O'Donnel that he is hosting Morning Joe tomorrow! nt

[nenagh]

44. Yes, I heard him say that last night...

Can't wait

[TahitiNut]

20. SE Cupp is from the same gene pool as Coulter and Malkin.

One must wonder what fetishist executive at MSNBC had his psyche permanently twisted by college porn ... the same porn archetype as that presented by the former mayor of Wasilla: librarian seductress. She's vacuous and simple-minded, having apparently invested more in time before a mirror than behind a book. All my alarm bells go off: "daddy issues." Her mannerisms are, more than anything else those of an over-indulged 6-year-old, prancing for daddy in a costume reminiscent of Jon Benet. Creepy as hell.

[INdemo]

25. ...When millions of dollars is going to MSNBC and NBC from all those

millions upon millions, then they will read any script or story the right wing PACs puts before them...I remeber when morning Joe said "let s just concede this election now and start building for 2016 cause Romeny has no chance"...now that was back before Romney reach the point of probable..Things sure change..And is this former congressman Harold Ford a right wing mouth piece now or what?.....
I agree though. MSNBC feeds the liberals just enough crumbs to keep them watching but how have Rachel and Ed lasted so long?..I suppose when biig money says get rid of them..then Comcast EXs will listen...

[fredamae]

29. WE can make Current the "go to" place

And wake up MSNBC, if they want the wake up call-at the same time.
No one forces any of us to tune in-Just leave. Don't think for a minute they won't notice and if our departure(s) sustain-they'll take action and if they don't then it is true, they are just another major player in the propaganda that we don't want to hear-win/win.

[AnnieK401]

39. Agree, but Current is on the upgraded programming package

for most if not all cable/satellite providers. Almost everyone has to pay extra to get it. I wish they would stream it, then I would dump cable entirely.

[Firebrand Gary]

31. And to illustrate my point, Lockup is premiering all day today....nt

[WilliamPitt]

33. MSNBC daytime is unwatchable.

Has been for years.

[Steerforth]

36. Death Panels are Coming!

I joined to post some of my thoughts, and the fucking administrators tell me that I haven't posted enough responses to create a new thread. Fascist morons!

I am a scholar and a political scientist. I've discovered that fascists don't believe in "free speech!

What I want to say before I leave is that death panels are real. I am referring to the Republican political machinery that will block attempts to implement Obama's healthcare law in some states - many of them southern. This will adversely impact the poor and elderly of those states in the worst way. The lack of action will effectively create Republican-controlled death panels.

I'm outta here for bluer pastures where free speech isn't stifled by a few morons.

S.

[Ruby the Liberal]

42. Have a nice life.

Good luck on your search.

[scribble]

46. Even a crazy person knows when it's raining ...

... and this poster, angry and self-absorbed as he/she might be; has a point.

DU has grown too big not to have some sensible posting rules, but it is also too big to control posting behavior the way it did when it was a smaller community. Those small community days are gone forever.

DU's posting rules are a little tighter than is probably good for the community today.

I'm glad to see his post wasn't hidden.

sc

[Ruby the Liberal]

57. I don't know that it went to a jury?

But yes, new thread and PM capabilities have minimum post count requirements. Like most forums.

[Autumn]

56. We already have those. You have insurace and money to pay, you live

otherwise you fucking die.

[ladym55]

43. I've always viewed MSNBC's progressive shows as a cover

So the parent company can say, "Hey, look we're PROGRESSIVE!!!" while promoting right-wing propaganda a good share of the time. I get scared when wide-eyed progressives begin spouting right-wing talking points as real because "it was on MSNBC!" or they "heard it on NPR!!!"

Any news source closely connected to major corporate money is suspect. I hope Current gets a stronger toehold. They are unabashedly progressive, but struggling to get exposure on cable systems.

[still_one]

45. Bloomberg which used to pretty even handed no takes every opportunity to have guests on bashing the

administration or Democrats without a proportional counter

MSNBC only has three hours per day of progressive views, Rachel, Ed, and Lawrence.

[blm]

47. They do in election years, since Katrina 2005, anyway. Before Katrina they were solid right.

After Katrina and the first wave of bad economic news, then the growing certainty that BushInc lied us into war, the NBCs tried to dampen their obvious cheerleading for Bush and post 2006 brought in some lefties for their evening programming - kept the rest of the day pretty solid center-right, though. The TeaParty BS wouldn't have been so widespread without CNBC and NBC pushing it daily.

[BlueCaliDem]

48. I watch MSNBC religiously and I don't see what you see.

Sure, they're pretty conservative in the morning (Morning Joe, Chris Jansing, Andrea Mitchell, Chuck Todd), but I don't see The Cycle (Tore, Krystal Ball, Stephen Kornacki, S.E. Cupp) as right or left. They're basically the balanced center to me.

Martin Bashir, Hardball, Al Sharpton's Politics Nation, Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell are all in primetime, and they do excellent journalistic work, rather than liberal news. If I wanted liberal news, I'd tune in to CurrentTV which is a bit too liberal for my taste since I consider myself a Progressive rather than a Liberal.

[Little Star]

54. I agree with your assessment.

[Firebrand Gary]

58. My concern is the slide, this is exactly what CNN did.

Yes, there are many great anchors on MSNBC, however these recent changes in host and their current trajectory is not beneficial to progressive values.

[BootinUp]

51. SE Cupp will not last long.

Bank it.

[Auntie Bush]

62. Did you hear her comments on global warming? I'm surprised she could deny it with a straight face.

I'm surprised the others didn't laugh her off the set...they should have.

[snot]

52. What else did anyone expect, when we allowed 6 megacorps to gain ownership

of >95% of all traditional media worldwide???

I'm glad when DU'er's complain; but I'd be gladder if more of them tried to figure out something worthwhile to do about it. (And b.t.w., I don't think writing letters to employees of said corps. will have any significant effect.)

(Does anyone besides me remember Maurice Hinchey's bill? Sorry if I'm cranky; but I consider this a really important issue, and I've had the experience of trying to drum up support for things like it here, and barely elicited a rec, let alone action.)

[StateApparatus]

59. Yep...

The multinational corporations which control the media in this country know which side their bread is buttered on. Expect more and worse.

[EC]

60. I think they are aiming for middle left.

You may notice that Cupp is the only conservative on the show. It's 3 against 1 for goodness sake. Then there is Ed and Lawrence and Tamron and goddess Rachael.

And notice the other NBC stations...they are leaning left, look at USA and SyFy. All the NBC - GE stations seem to lean left. Yes, there are more conservatives on MSNBC since Comcast, but they are still out numbered and aren't the crazies. Cupp comes close, but she's been pretty muted and Kristal Bell, doesn't hold back to correct her or tell her when her sources are shit (like Daily Caller).