EMAILS REVEAL FBI, JUSTICE PROBE OF BURLINGTON COLLEGE. ( Jane Sanders )

[fun n serious]

Good grief! It looks like another cover up is going on.

https://vtdigger.org/2017/04/27/emails-reveal-fbi-justice-probe-burlington-college/

[nikibatts]

1. They are just getting ready for Bernie's run in 2020. Watch what they pull out on E Warren.

[OnDoutside]

4. Well hold on a second, he still hasn't released his taxes. He

still has questions to answer and shouldn't be allowed run until he comes clean.

[ehrnst]

21. Agreed. You know that Warren would absolutely release her financials, being as

financial reform is one of her big issues....

[OnDoutside]

24. She certainly would and has.

[NurseJackie]

23. Oh that's right. You know, I don't believe Bernie ever did release his taxes. Weird...

... I wonder why. There must be some logical and reasonable explanation.

[OnDoutside]

27. I reckon it was probably something small but embarrassing at the time, maybe NRA related which

isn't a big deal in Vermont but would be embarrassing nationally.

And his excuse was that Jane did his taxes but didn't have the time because of their campaigning.

[NurseJackie]

31. I honestly couldn't say... it's difficult to know one way or the other. Surely he/they are aware...

... of how bad it looks, and that in general, the public always assume the worst. They're not stupid, so obviously they know this.

So, that makes me wonder (again, I don't know, but I wonder) whether someone has made a calculated risk and decided that having the public "not-know-and-assume-the-worst" is somehow better than having the public ACTUALLY KNOW the truth.

For and experienced lifelong establishment politician like Bernie, this certainly (in my opinion) is very odd and it makes me curious what's going on.

These are just my opinions and my questions.

[OnDoutside]

32. Well nobody (apart from us) are talking about him not releasing his taxes, so it's probably not

going to be an issue until the next Presidential run, if he does run. You can be certainly that it would be a huge issue then though, after Trump's failure to show his taxes. I would be quite sure that there will be a law brought in, barring anyone from running without having first produced their last 10/15 years of taxes.

[ehrnst]

37. I think that it should be added to the party platform that presidential candidates must release

tax forms and financials.

I would think that releasing them would be a no-brainer for someone who is making financial transparency a tentpole of their political career.

[OnDoutside]

47. I'd agree with that if we were dealing with decent human beings

on the Republican side. I think it needs to be put into law so they can't weasel out of it when it suits them.

[ehrnst]

48. Whether or not the GOP does it, Dems need to make it a part of the requirement.

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I doubt it will make it into law in the current administration.

But at least our candidates being required to release the documents will cause those with something to hide in those returns to self select out of seeking the nomination.

[OnDoutside]

64. No problem with it being part of the Democratic rules but

the aim should be to make it law. Obviously it won't happen this side of the midterms..... Fingers crossed !!!

[ehrnst]

65. Indeed. More than half the states are already moving to make it law to that to get on the ballot

in presidential elections in that state, a candidate must release tax returns.

So hopefully that will make it unnecessary to make it federal law to keep the kind of candidate that refuses basic transparency of their own finances out of the running on any ticket. From any party. Because really, what normal, ethical reason would there be to refuse?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/14/opinions/state-laws-requiring-tax-return-disclosure-legal-tribe-painter-eisen/

[OnDoutside]

66. Thanks, i hadn't heard of the States moves... good news.

[frankieallen]

136. I doubt it will become law, where would you draw the line? Congress would be the ones voting

on this, so they would have to have it apply to anyone running for public office (federal),or appear hypocritical.
I bet there are plenty of congress critters on both sides that would rather not put there tax returns on the internet for all to see.

[OnDoutside]

142. After the current experience, I'd imagine there would be buy in on at least the President and Vice-P

residential candidates.

[ehrnst]

36. If there's anything that you do NOT want to "put aside" in a campaign is your financial paperwork

I have to wonder if Sierra Blanca was the embarassing issue.

[Omaha Steve]

56. Geraldine Ferraro and her husband will pay $53,459 in back taxes and penalties discovered...

Seems there is a precedent on taxes, spouses, back taxes after running for office!

[NurseJackie]

59. LOL!

[Omaha Steve]

60. .

[NurseJackie]

61. LOL!

[George II]

82. They both died years ago.

[NurseJackie]

83. Rest in Peace. Geraldine Ferraro (1935-2011)

It appears that John Zaccaro is still alive.

[George II]

84. You're right - the google search showed the dates he was married to her, ending in 2011. My bad!

[NurseJackie]

86. At first glance it looks as though they both died in the same year...

... but I thought that would have been very odd, so I poked around some more until I found out more.

[ehrnst]

68. LOL (nt)

[Omaha Steve]

63. Released 2014 and Mother Jones has it

http://www.motherjones.com/documents/2804313-Bernie-Sanders-Just-Released-His-Tax-Returns

[tammywammy]

67. Yes, Sanders released the one year of tax returns. n/t

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

127. Like Drumpf released 2005

and thought that was enough.

[NurseJackie]

69. LOL ... That's it?

[ehrnst]

72. One year, not the most recent, and not the past 6 years worth, as Obama and HRC did in 2008.

Warren releases hers, and has since 2008 when she was elected, and Corey Booker released 15 years worth when he ran for Senate.

Schumer and Gillibrand release theirs.

"The tax return is the lowest ethical bar that you can have for a presidential nominee or a president," said Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, top Senate Finance Democrat who introduced legislation in January requiring nominees and sitting presidents to disclose their returns."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-taxreturns-idUSKBN1685TP

[George II]

75. Jane Sanders said they would be released a week or so after they returned from the Vatican.

[NurseJackie]

76. Yes... I remember now. She did say that. I wonder what happened. Why the delay?

Maybe they just forgot.






George II ...

[Chevy]

104. Couldn't find the key to the file cabinet? n/t

[frankieallen]

138. Maybe they were stolen during an unsolved burglary? 👌

[BainsBane]

78. He released one year

2014, I believe.

[George II]

71. He won't be running in 2020. He might not even run in 2018.

[pnwmom]

6. This was known about Jane last year. There is nothing similar for Warren that I've heard about.

The worst they can say about her is that she believed her older relatives about having Native American blood.

[hrmjustin]

17. It appears the FBI investigation predates Trump.

[Demsrule86]

22. Do you have any sympathy for the kids that paid their tuition and then couldn't go?

[lunamagica]

109. Apparently not

[Chevy]

52. He'll be 80 years old. n/t

[elehhhhna]

102. Thank you for pointing this out. I am in my late 50s,

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a professional female mother of two in college hyper liberal progressive and I will be flamed to hell for this, but:

I will not vote for anybody over the age of 60 -ish ever again ever ever ever.

[Chevy]

103. Fair enough. n/t

[LOL Lib]

105. Not flaming...just curious why?

You wouldn't vote for a 45 year old WJC? JFK? A 50 year old BHO? Again just curious.

[elehhhhna]

117. Oh fuck I meant OVER 60. !!!

Corrected. Oy vey.

[LOL Lib]

118. Lmao! That makes more sense and I totally agree!

Perfect response too! "Oy vey!" That's how most of my days start out.

[brush]

128. Probably because there's a chance of them dying in office.

[elehhhhna]

132. Cognitive decline, actually.

Only dems die in office and it ain't from old age...

[brush]

134. Cognitive decline is possible at 80 but let's be real, so is death. Ted Kennedy died in office at 77

[Petrushka]

145. Coognitive decline doesn't begin at 60. It sets in as early as age 45!

http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/06/study-cognitive-decline-sets-in-as-early-as-age-45/


Oh-h, that cannot be right . . . because some cognitive skills peak as early as age 22!

http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20090323/decline-in-mental-skills-may-start-in-20s#1

[SaschaHM]

112. Jane's actions concerning Burlington College have always been a cause for concern...

and the fact that the school had to close down because of them warrant a deeper look into what exactly occurred there. This isn't some plot to tarnish Sanders. Should they have just ignored what could have been criminal behavior by a college president because she is married to a U.S. Senator?

[brush]

129. She also funneled a good deal of money to her daughter's business.

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[Petrushka]

146. Ooh! Did she? Really? (This is getting juicier and juicer!) Do you have a link to that . . .

. . . that money business (**uh**) revelation?



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tuAMkp6wEC0/U0XbG9ISdcI/AAAAAAAAEWE/efG-t69zyhk/s1600/Inquiring+minds+want+to+know.jpg

[brush]

147. There's this.

https://medium.com/@m.ferrer/nepotism-at-burlington-college-1a9af167ae9b

[Petrushka]

148. Interesting article . . . thanks for the link.

Interesting website, too. I've bookmarked it for later. Found an article about Appalachia---posted it to my Facebook page.

[OnDoutside]

2. Would she be in criminal trouble for overstating that amount ?

[fun n serious]

3. Yes, it's fraud..

But even worse is the cover up.

[OnDoutside]

5. Thanks for clarifying, that makes sense.

[Me.]

34. If Convicted

Would it be a slap on the wrist or an orange jumpsuit?

[fun n serious]

44. I don't know..

Since it's 2 million $$ I imagine it's more than a slap on the wrist.

[enid602]

54. Summer home

It would be a shame if they're not able to enjoy the $600k summer home they bought right after the election.

[Me.]

55. !

[ehrnst]

58. I don't care if or how they bought a home.

I care when someone holds others to a yardstick they themselves don't measure up to.

[George II]

73. We don't have all the details, but bank fraud would come to mind first (Federal crime)

[dchill]

7. Beware of Toensings bearing gifts...

Brady Toensing, the attorney asking for the fraud investigation, is the son of Victoria Toensing, infamous Republican shit-stirrer and attorney, whose law partner and husband is Joseph diGenova, Fox talker and known advocate of fake accusations. I don't know of any legitimate cause these bottom feeders have been involved with.

[fun n serious]

8. The entire GOP is crooked.

Shady, crooked liars.. all of them. The only reason I posted this is because it contains e-mails that talk about destroying the financial records of the college...

[ehrnst]

26. Who asked for the probe is secondary to the fact that FBI/DOJ found cause to get involved.

This isn't about a story that ended with a lawsuit brought on behalf of some Catholic parisioners, it's about how that got picked up by the FBI and DOJ.

[Cha]

9. Literally the only person involved in the 2016 election not under FBI investigation is Clinton.

Link to tweet

[fun n serious]

10. Hi Cha.

Hillary would have made a great President.

Meanwhile..

Link to tweet

[Cha]

12. Yes, Hillary would be a great Prez.. but the suckers..

opted for this shit. Aided by comey, Russian, voter suppression, and the m$m.

[ehrnst]

20. Yes, with all the discussion here about being under any FBI scrutiny being damning

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this really isn't a distraction.

[Cha]

91. Hell no, it's not a "distraction".. that code

for they don't want to talk about it.

[ehrnst]

122. Discomfort... (nt)

[StevieM]

96. I realize it was probably a typo, but I kind of like the idea of starting comey's name with

lower case letter.

Let's show out contempt for him by calling him james comey.

[Cha]

98. No, it wasn't a typo.. he's not worth the effort to me.

[NurseJackie]

28. Now that you mention it... you're ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!

I curse EVERYONE who lied about, smeared, thwarted, and sabotaged Hillary.

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. It is going on still, from alleged progressives.

but i cant say anymore, i dont want to get in trouble

[Cha]

92. trump is on them.. LIARS. they all played their part

[Hassin Bin Sober]

120. Does that include people who said god awful things about her in 2008?

[Cha]

123. I know you people can't get over 2008 but that's

your fucking problem.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

124. Lol.ok.

[ehrnst]

116. And continues to. (nt)

[PaintedSkies]

11. Somewhere Martin O'Malley is crying

I hope he runs in 2020. I really liked him a lot despite him being often being forgotten

[dembotoz]

13. He would have been wonderful

But the use of the police for political purposes is I guess the new Norm
Can camps be far behind?

[NCTraveler]

14. .

[Cha]

15. ...

so don't cry

[ehrnst]

16. And the only people who didn't swallow the misinformation are her supporters. (nt)

[Cha]

18. Right.

[jrthin]

88. Yep. nt

[betsuni]

25. The irony is overwhelming. I can't, either.

[mcar]

29. It makes my blood boil, what they did to this honorable woman

[jrthin]

85. +1 nt

[lunamagica]

108. I feel the same way. Where is the justice? WHERE?

[yodermon]

30. 1) HRC *was* under investigation, Comey made that clear.

1) Jane was running? Oh "involved". mkay.

[ehrnst]

35. It was a probe. Just like this one for Jane.

Hillary was not a "target" of investigation, and we don't know if Jane was or is.

And yes, Bill Clinton's actions past and present were deemed very relevant to HRC's campaign, so yes, spouses do "run" as well.

[NastyRiffraff]

45. Bingo

I don't know whether or not Jane accepted dirty money. I do know that spouses who are involved in a campaign (as almost all are in some capacity) are relevant. Everybody made sure of that re Hillary and Bill Clinton. Jane shouldn't be immune, either.

[Cha]

94. No.

[StevieM]

97. But she shouldn't have been under investigation. Comey abused his power. (eom)

[Me.]

33. Mind Blowing

And yet we have 45 as Pres, BS being treated as savior of the DEm party and HRC still being insulted and citicized.... not to mention her daughter being pilloried while Ivanka grifts her way around the WH.

[karynnj]

50. Neither was Matin O'Malley or several of the 17 Republicans running

and Hillary WAS under investigation during the primaries -- just as the Sanders are reputed to be now. It may likely come to the same result -- not a positive endorsement, but no criminal charges. In fact, there is absolutely nothing suggesting that Bernie Sanders is being investigated. Just as most people here correctly objected to comments that there was an FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton, when the initial story was that there was an investigation, but it might not target Clinton.

As to "cover up", that accusation is coming from a RW guy who routinely loses the suits he files. From the typically thorough VT Digger article, it looks like the Burlington College lawyer went out of his way to insure that the DOJ and later the FBI had access to any records before they were destroyed.

[Raster]

62. oopsie... pesky facts again...

...its kind of sad... when the innuendo is against their fave: BAD! ...when the innuendo is used against someone they have a beef with -real or imagined- then innuendo: GOOD!

Funny, that.

[Cha]

95. Yeah, Iman wasn't thinking of Martin.. who dropped out

early.

[StevieM]

99. But there was no truthful basis for investigating HRC. Comey did it because the GOP congress asked

him to.

Put it like this: If Hillary wasn't running for president there never would have been an FBI investigation. The GOP pushed for it so they could defame her. In truth, there was nothing worth investigating.

Comey set out to destroy her candidacy, first with a bogus investigation, second with the July press conference and finally with his last minute letter to Chaffetz.

This was not consistent with liberal democracy.

[uponit7771]

113. +1

[Cha]

114. ...

[hrmjustin]

19. This is sad but hopefully nothing comes of it.

[Orsino]

38. Casts a little more of a shadow...

...on Sanders' strange refusal to release tax returns.

But leaping to "cover-up" seems premature.

[Hekate]

39. Oh dear. Kicking to read later. nt

[Gothmog]

40. This will be interesting to watch

[sheshe2]

41. Oh my....

[nini]

42. Good

She was just way too sanctimonious with her Hillary criticisms when she has her own baggage. This and the toxic waste issue too.

[Me.]

43. Comes Around, Goes Around

[ehrnst]

49. +1000. (nt)

[R B Garr]

70. Exactly. It would be nice if Jane apologizes or Bernie apologizes on behalf of his wife

for their misplaced accusations against Hillary now that we see their ongoing legal fraud trouble with the FBI.

[NurseJackie]

77. You know, you're absolutely right. That *would* be the honorable thing to do!

[nini]

107. Don't hold your breath

The loved every minute of trashing Hillary and Democrats.

[lunamagica]

110. WORD

[grossproffit]

46. Pity...

[LOL Lib]

106. Awesome!

[WhiteTara]

51. Victoria Toensing is one of "those" people

who hate democrats and along with her husband Andrew Napolatano (sp?) spent most of their lives hounding the Clintons. This may not be fake news, but it has a definite slant.

[ehrnst]

57. This isn't about the complaint, it's about the FBI probe that resulted from the complaint.

Toensing wasn't the one who decided there was enough for the FBI to start a probe.

[BainsBane]

81. The article doesn't even mention her

There is a man with the last name of Toesing, a Republican lawyer.

[pnwmom]

79. The article isn't slanted. If Jane Sanders did what she's being investigated for,

deliberately fraudulently filing loan documents that led to a college's eventual closure, that's wrong no matter who made the accusation.

[George II]

74. VT Digger is one of the better independent media outlets - like a small town Northjersey.com...who..

....was all over the GW Bridge scandal.

VT Digger has been on the case from the beginning.

[randome]

87. I think it's distasteful.

[betsuni]

90. Good one.

[Barack_America]

89. Man is this just like the summer of 2008.

Just replace "Barack Obama", the, "inadequate black male", with "Bernie Sanders", and "Michelle Obama" with "Jane Sanders".

I really hoped I would never such nasty and hateful behavior emanate from the Democratic Party again, but alas, here we are again.

[hrmjustin]

93. The Democratic Party is not doing this.

[LexVegas]

100. ...

[Nevernose]

126. One of the themes of "Shattered"

Is that the Clintons punish their enemies, even fellow liberals, and are willing to spend years doing it. Of course, that's how politics is played at higher levels, but the Clintons are notoriously vindictive and have been since the Arkansas days.

(And though it's certainly not apparent from this post, I've always been and always will be a huge fan of the Clinton family. Incredibly admirable and aspirational)

[LexVegas]

101. Karma. nt

[SaschaHM]

111. Woah..this is big.

I know folks are going to try and point out that the Toensings are involved, but it seems like the DoJ/FBI is involved in some way, which isn't surprising giving how shady the initial Burlington College deal seemed and it's subsequent closure last year. I'm glad they are investigating after what happened to that school. Hell, if she weren't named Jane Sanders, we'd be crucifying the college president for potentially committing fraud and causing the school to close down.

[frankieallen]

139. You speak the truth. If this were anyone else everyone here would be calling for her head.

Certainly not calling it a witch hunt

[seaglass]

115. There is an updated article here with more info, it appears they are definitely focusing on the land

deal.

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2017/04/28/fbi-continues-to-investigate-jane-sanders-burlington-college-land-deal

Sara Adsit-McCuin, who served on the defunct college's board for roughly three years, said Friday that she was contacted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation "a couple of weeks ago." During an in-person interview, two FBI agents focused their questions on Burlington College's 2010 purchase of a 32-acre campus overlooking Lake Champlain. At the time of the deal, O'Meara Sanders was serving as the college's president.

...

Holm said she provided the FBI a filing cabinet and three or four banker boxes filled with donor files. At the bureau's request, she searched email accounts that previously belonged to O'Meara Sanders and Christine Plunkett, who served as O'Meara Sanders' chief financial officer and then succeeded her as president. Holm said she transferred those and other electronic files to a hard drive provided by the FBI.

Asked if she found anything noteworthy in O'Meara Sanders' emails, Holm said, "I prefer not to comment on that."

While searching for information to aid the FBI's investigation, Holm said she had been "unsuccessful in locating documentation of the gifts and pledges" O'Meara Sanders represented in the loan application she signed.

[hrmjustin]

119. Wow!

[Lee-Lee]

121. I hope there is more to the story than what is seen so far

Because that doesn't paint a very good picture.

[Cha]

125. Thank you, seaglass..

[brush]

130. So she was going under the name O'Meara Sanders then?

[seaglass]

131. Sh actually still does.

Here's her Twitter account:

Link to tweet

[ucrdem]

133. What's disturbing (apart from the hypocrisy but that's old news)

is the fact that Sanders was in a position to inflict damage on Clinton at the same time the feds were in a position to damage his wife and him. In other words it raises questions of whether he was manipulated wittingly or not by wingnuts with badges not known for their ethical conduct.

[fun n serious]

137. That's a very good point. nt

[WinkyDink]

135. Cover-up about what, exactly?

[betsuni]

140. The same question we've been asking for years about the supposed crimes of Hillary Clinton.

[WinkyDink]

143. Is this supposed to be an answer?

[WinkyDink]

144. I still don't get it.

[Gothmog]

141. This will be an interesting case to follow