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InformedElitist

(39 posts)
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 02:16 AM Apr 2017

Trump Derangement Syndrome - Mine. Need help.

I thought I might get some good advice here. I’m letting this Trump shitshow affect my life way too much, and I need the wheels in my head to stop spinning and to stop driving my wife and immediate family nuts.

My background: white, male, almost 40, straight, married, no kids, 1st from working class family to go to college and succeed bigly (at least academically), live in middle/upper-middle class NYC suburbs, contemplating a mid-life career change from the soulless corporate world to something less lucrative but more meaningful.

The immediate problem:
My politics are quite liberal (-5,-5) as are my wife’s, but virtually every member of our extended families is for Trump. I don’t mean just voted for him. I mean: many still forwarding every fake, hateful meme since last summer; have been emboldened since the nightmare of 11/8; have a mean-spirited way of shoving their support in people’s faces and will not back down.
The healthy reaction to this is probably to spend less time on social media and block/unfriend as needed. I just can’t turn the other cheek anymore. While I know that these people can’t be reasoned with, my instinct is now to shove the nastiness right back in their faces. And my way of doing it is at once haughty, with lots of cursing, and made to show them or their followers how stupid and mean-spirited they really are. "If I'm angry, I'm gonna make them angry too so that everyone is miserable." Bad, I know.

I feel rage and I’m blowing up some once-valuable relationships, maybe unnecessarily, but I just can’t get past it. This is not Bush ’04, the last time my “team” “lost” an election; it’s so much worse b/c there is so much hatred that’s going along with the willful ignorance. I truly look at their thought process as disgusting and hateful – a serious character flaw, and I have nothing but contempt for them. To me, and this is where my views have hardened more than my wife's, this WAY goes beyond politics. These assholes don't have any decency or empathy for anyone who they think is unlike themselves. I know this is unhealthy on my part and I need to stop seeing things so much in black&white, but it’s hard to when, for example, at a Superbowl party, I completely kept my cool, but: Fox News was on the TV, I was told that protestors should be shot, that I should leave the country, and the thing that stuck with me the most: “C’mon, you never made fun of someone in a wheelchair before?” As rarely as I see some of these people in-person, I want nothing to do with them anymore, and by lashing back out at them, I’m making it uncomfortable for some people I do care about that are sort of caught in the middle.

The longer-term problems:
1 – I’ve been addicted to the news ever since 9/11, which happened just as I was turning 24. I remember the anxiety of the Bush years circa the beginning of 2004 through the merciful end when Obama was sworn in. I remember the constant stupidity, war, color-coded terror threats, lying and scandals, but there was usually only a few major ones every couple of months. Ever since July, when it dawned on me that people were just stupid and, yes, deplorable enough to elect Trump, my mind is overloaded with multiple serious controversies and worldwide problems at any given moment. My hair’s been on fire since November and here we are in April and it’s SO much worse than even I had imagined. I try to cut down on news and social media, but I could only seem to look away for a few hours to a couple of days. I want off the merry-go-round; I have a life to lead and real responsibilities that I’m not attending to the way I should be.

2 – I literally lost whatever hope I had left for this country on Election Night. And maybe humanity in general. You just can’t fix stupid and this kind of tribalism. I hate the idea of going through the rest of my life clinging to whatever I have and occasionally trying to pitch in for those more vulnerable than I. But past is prologue – the US, in most of the important ways, has been in decline my entire lifetime (since the late 70’s). I seriously am contemplating finding work and living in a more civilized country, once we see how the elections/Russia situations develop in Europe the next couple of years.

So with all that said…any advice for coping in the meantime would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.

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Trump Derangement Syndrome - Mine. Need help. (Original Post) InformedElitist Apr 2017 OP
If u find helpful tips, can u please share secondwind Apr 2017 #1
Since it is affecting your mental and physical health together, consider disengaging Warpy Apr 2017 #2
Great advice as usual Warpy! CountAllVotes Apr 2017 #4
I also agree with disengaging sakabatou Apr 2017 #6
yup, this is the way -- time to have more self-control and do it InformedElitist Apr 2017 #13
Yep, what Warpy said. And I might add this. kydo Apr 2017 #21
I have dumped a few "friends" CountAllVotes Apr 2017 #3
I'm old and friends, even the ones who are wrong about things, are getting more precious Warpy Apr 2017 #11
very wise InformedElitist Apr 2017 #14
Warpy's advice is excellent. mnhtnbb Apr 2017 #5
thanks! working on it InformedElitist Apr 2017 #18
i NEED KITTENS! pansypoo53219 Apr 2017 #7
me too! InformedElitist Apr 2017 #15
I think most of us either have gone thru or still go thru your trump/gop caused trauma onetexan Apr 2017 #8
in therapy they say... InformedElitist Apr 2017 #17
It's a very difficult time, I know jehop61 Apr 2017 #9
I'm sorry to hear that InformedElitist Apr 2017 #16
Sorry, in the same boat. Vinca Apr 2017 #10
Limit your exposure to select news such as Maddow, O'Donnell and a few others. BSdetect Apr 2017 #12
People will probably not agree with this but... BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #19
I agree with Warpy, too, and will add ... eleny Apr 2017 #20

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
1. If u find helpful tips, can u please share
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 02:47 AM
Apr 2017

I'm sleepless in St Augustine for the same reasons. You are not alone.

Warpy

(111,342 posts)
2. Since it is affecting your mental and physical health together, consider disengaging
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:13 AM
Apr 2017

Tell extended family you are sick of politics and will delete anything but personal stuff like photos of the kids. Then stick to it.

Turn off the news. Nothing made me crazier than the bullshit infotainment the corporations shovel out at us every night. My high blood pressure went away and I was a nicer person within a month. It had only been a habit, a bad one. I found it rather easier to break than I thought I would, and I didn't have a satelitte dish at the time.

You've got access to the NYT delivered right to your door for news. I had to get a WaPo subscription for my Kindle since I now live in godforsaken noplace NM and the local paper is right wing fishwrap. WaPo has been fun, their editorial staff is not fond of Dolt45.

Once you disengage, you'll find that print news is keeping you a lot more informed than the boob tube ever did. TV is great for sports, sitcoms, movies, and the occasional PBS series. It sucks for news. Yes, it's effortless getting sound bites fed to you by the spoonful between ads for beer, cars, and hemorrhoid cream, but it's just making you angry and not informing you.

I felt sick on election night as one tossup state after another went for Dolt45, even though I knew that Comey's interference had ended Clinton's hopes. I felt sicker when DU was targeted. What has given me the most comfort is that this is not my fault. It's not your fault. And we can't be expected to fix it for them, not this time. Remember, there are more of us than there are of them, and even his own lousy, corrupt party is starting to fight him on key issues because it's so obvious he doesn't know what he's doing.

It's not hopeless, it's just our turn to have a complete lunatic in high office. He's a bad smell passing through. His power is limited and he hates that. My guess is that he'll resign at some point after a major temper tantrum over one of his pet projects, like that stupid, useless wall nobody in a border state wants.

It's not hopeless. Let your family continue to try to convince each other they didn't do something so colossally stupid they'll have to live it down for the rest of their lives. Not your circus, not your monkeys. Disengage and stay that way.

CountAllVotes

(20,878 posts)
4. Great advice as usual Warpy!
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:52 AM
Apr 2017

I agree with everything you suggest to do.

While perhaps a bit intense for some, it is the way to go -- disengage indeed!!

sakabatou

(42,174 posts)
6. I also agree with disengaging
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:46 AM
Apr 2017

but I have other stuff to help me with that: music, books, youtube and netflix ^^;

InformedElitist

(39 posts)
13. yup, this is the way -- time to have more self-control and do it
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:13 PM
Apr 2017

Yes, that's what I need to do. My problem is not so much TV but b/c I do a lot of stuff online, I always seem to have cnn.com, huffpo.com or FB up on my browser. I have to say it's a bit of an addiction and a clean break from it might just be the only way of coping. Being constantly plugged-in is a problem I think many of us have and that goes beyond politics.

I did enough damage on social media yesterday to blow up extended family relationships. It was bad, and my more immediate family members are pissed at the way I did it, but in the long run it'll be for the best. They've exposed who they are. It's beyond politics. When they say I come off as crazy and angry b/c of other people's "opinions" when they have confederate flag cover photos (these are not Southerners, but Brooklyn-born Italian-Americans like me mind you), or when my attacks are personal but they saw nothing wrong with their hero mocking a disabled man, there's no winning them over or even wanting to spend anymore time with them. The fight might be bigger and off FB this weekend, but hopefully, again, a disengagement soon after.

Thanks!

kydo

(2,679 posts)
21. Yep, what Warpy said. And I might add this.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:23 PM
Apr 2017

Warpy awesome post! It's as if you were spying on my brain and life. It's what I was thinking and did since the disastrous day in November 2016. Only I found joining the gym helped work as an outlet for my anger. Now I have almost Abs.

CountAllVotes

(20,878 posts)
3. I have dumped a few "friends"
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:40 AM
Apr 2017

To me these people were not friends at all. They are closet racists. As a seriously ill person, I do not need people like this in my life as they are greedy and self-serving pigs. To hell with them.

As for social media, I am not heavily involved in any of it. I do not have a Facebook account or any of that stuff as I do not need any of it.

Stick with your own thoughts and your own mind. Follow your own judgement, not that of some media outlet or faux "friend" somewhere.

Hang-in there and know that you aren't alone!

Best wishes to you & Welcome to the Democratic Underground!!



Warpy

(111,342 posts)
11. I'm old and friends, even the ones who are wrong about things, are getting more precious
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:55 PM
Apr 2017

I've disengaged but not dumped. In other words, I'm getting very Emily Post and shutting down conversations about politics, religion, and sex. People have respected it, surprisingly enough.

InformedElitist

(39 posts)
14. very wise
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:16 PM
Apr 2017

Thanks, CountAllVotes!

Warpy, although this last year has really hardened me in a bad way, I'd love to find the balance and self-control needed to apply your wisdom. Hopefully soon.

mnhtnbb

(31,404 posts)
5. Warpy's advice is excellent.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:14 AM
Apr 2017

I grew up in Chatham, NJ (in the 50's and 60's) which is a not very long train ride away from NYC. My parents were Republicans and many of the class mates
with whom I've kept in touch via fb turned out to be Trump supporters last year. They are now either gone or hidden from my fb feed. There was not
going to be any getting over the fact--for me--that they could support such a racist, misogynistic, bigoted, unqualified, amoral con man for President. On top of that, the Republicans were so united in opposing everything Obama tried to do that it became evident to me that they were not just politically reprehensible but also character deficient in their unwillingness to put country before party. I cannot abide people supporting Republicans. I have given up on my brother (gave up on his wife a long time ago) and it makes me sad to do so. I no longer initiate contact with him and if he e-mails me (fortunately lives in California while I live in North Carolina) I reply with one sentence and nothing more. My husband's family is also Republican, and although I occasionally check on their fb feeds (which are hidden) I end up disgusted to see the continued Obama bashing and support for Cheeto. He no longer calls them and they don't call him.

All that said, I would suggest you refocus on the positive change you say you are interested in making: "a mid-life career change from the soulless corporate world to something less lucrative but more meaningful". Include looking at moves out of the US in that process. You are at the age where going to Canada or New Zealand or somewhere in Europe (particularly if you have second language skills) is a distinct possibility. If you have a hobby that you could turn into a source of income, think about escaping to an island life somewhere if the hobby is something related to tourism (boating skills, SCUBA skills, cooking skills, property management or sales skills, etc.)

Find a way to make a focus on the positive a larger part of your life. And welcome to DU. You're in good company here.

InformedElitist

(39 posts)
18. thanks! working on it
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:59 PM
Apr 2017

I'm sorry to hear that you have a similar problem with even-closer relatives.

Yeah - a move outside the country is something I'm considering but first I want to see how some of these current world crises (rise of neo-fascism, Russia, possible nuclear war with EVERYONE) first. My wife and I are also very attached to our immediate families, although no move would have to be permanent. Maybe not great timing, but I got bit by the travel bug a couple of years ago and have already had the good fortune of visiting a few European countries. (Of course, taking a pay cut to do something more charitable may mean less $ to travel.) So, travel is sort of a new passion of mine, and I have always been curious about picking up a second language. It is in the back of my mind.

But, yes, bottom line, I have a lot of mid-life stuff I need to spend time figuring out, including how best to help people in worse shape than I. Being tuned in to the never-ending 30-ring circus and now family drama are just what I don't need right now.

InformedElitist

(39 posts)
15. me too!
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:19 PM
Apr 2017

Actually 1-2 of them or young adult dogs, since I need something else to occupy my time. Maybe you could tell from my original post that I'm not keen on humans right now -- our furry friends are so much better.

onetexan

(13,060 posts)
8. I think most of us either have gone thru or still go thru your trump/gop caused trauma
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:50 AM
Apr 2017

How I coped is after I was sick & tired of being sick & tired I followed the mantra "don't get mad, get even". I decided to turn my anger into constructive action. I joined a local resistance group & a left leaning women's club to be with like-minded people. We support each other & support grassroots Democratic causes. We are plugged into the local Democratic clubs in the area & state where we support Dems local,state & national level candidates. I tell u all the busy activities & being around people whose views are like mine & doing worthy causes with them works wonders for me knowing that I'm actually helping to turn the tide. Try it, I'm sure it will help you.
BTW limiting news coverage also helps alot. I was a news junky as well prior to trump. I now mainly rely on reliable net news sites & watch the local news which usually does very little trump coverage.

Stay strong & channel your rage into constructive action. It's much better than cussing @the tv every time trump coverage comes on or sparring with your family or friends. I live in a sea of red so I can empathize 😊

InformedElitist

(39 posts)
17. in therapy they say...
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:48 PM
Apr 2017

"action reduces anxiety" - it's true. Stewing around, being miserable (and in my case, making other people miserable) is harmful to the self and counter-productive.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
9. It's a very difficult time, I know
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:04 AM
Apr 2017

I even am now estranged with three grandchildren who live in the south. They hate liberals, grammie included. Guess all those happy times when they were children are forgotten. It hurts, but I'v found that to unfriend them and just pay attention to left leaning social media and posting on sites with like-minded folks helps me vent my frustrations and I don't get exposed to the hateful stuff posted by relatives I love. Anyway, that's my solution. Perhaps someday they will realize just how much they all have been fooled?

InformedElitist

(39 posts)
16. I'm sorry to hear that
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:26 PM
Apr 2017

It pains me to read that and I'm really sorry that that's happened. I warned my wife the night before the election that the country's soul was at stake and regardless of the outcome, this was gonna be so hard to recover from. Needless to say, it's so much worse than I imagined even just a few months ago. And it gets worse every day and doesn't seem to be ending soon despite all the craziness. I hope for everyone's sake, esp. those distanced from imperfect people that they still care about, that this does eventually pass.

BSdetect

(8,999 posts)
12. Limit your exposure to select news such as Maddow, O'Donnell and a few others.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:11 PM
Apr 2017

You won't miss the rest.

Limit your time too.

BannonsLiver

(16,457 posts)
19. People will probably not agree with this but...
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:59 PM
Apr 2017

Start cutting ties. I did that with an aunt who felt the need to take a victory lap on Inauguration Day. I'm not opposed to reconciliation but it won't come without a heartfelt apology from her. If she was not family there would be no consideration of that.

What's happened with you is that your station in life has eclipsed those people and you have less and less in common. I have Trump supporting friends but they are kept at arms length and have enough decorum to avoid the topic altogether around me. But I cut ties with several obnoxious deplorables who couldn't leave well enough alone in November and January. Poison that has been eliminated.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
20. I agree with Warpy, too, and will add ...
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:07 PM
Apr 2017

Stick around here. We have our moments so you just have to find your way of knowing when to hold them and when to fold them. Not every thread is a siren call to drain you of your energy. Pick and choose. There's a lot of laughter and hope here within these walls.

You owe yourself some camaraderie and peace of mind. Your generation had 9/11, mine had JFK's assassination. Some events change everything. But people here do want to hold you up when you're down.

Welcome to DU.

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