Trump Son In Law Jared Kushner Was Just Told To Lawyer Up Because He Committed A Crime

[babylonsister]

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/04/25/trump-son-law-jared-kushner-told-lawyer-committed-crime.html


Trump Son In Law Jared Kushner Was Just Told To Lawyer Up Because He Committed A Crime

By Jason Easley on Tue, Apr 25th, 2017 at 6:46 pm


Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) told Trump son in law Jared Kushner that he better hire a lawyer because he committed a crime when he lied about having contacts with foreign governments on his security clearance form.

Rep. Lieu tweeted:

Link to tweet

The reason why the stakes are so high for the White House in 2018 goes beyond getting their agenda through a Republican-controlled Congress. If Democrats win back all or part of Congress, they are going to conduct a full investigation into the Trump White House, which will include the Russia scandal, Trump’s conflicts of interest, his family conflicts of interest (Hi, Ivanka), and any crimes committed by his aides and son in law Jared Kushner.

Kushner committed a felony by not disclosing two meetings with high profile Russians during his security clearance hearings.

During a recent appearance on MSNBC’s AM Joy, Lieu called for Kushner’s security clearance to be suspended:
Video at link~

Rep. Lieu’s move beyond suspension to telling Kushner to lawyer up is a sign that the Russia scandal has gone from bad to worse for the Trump family.

[SunSeeker]

1. K & R

[Roy Rolling]

63. The PA system in Hell:

"Roy Cohn, Roy Cohn....you have a call on line 3 from the White House..."

[SunSeeker]

64. LOL

[gademocrat7]

2. K&Rnt

[Hayduke Bomgarte]

3. It's a start

[leftieNanner]

4. I REALLY want something to happen to this guy

but I don't hold out a lot of hope. I'm in really bad shape today with anxiety (and I'm not an anxious person). It looks like the Russian investigation is going nowhere and we are on the verge of WWIII.

Talk me down, DU!

[EL34x4]

15. Why? Kushner is probably the least insane person in Trump's inner circle.

Let's be real about this. Better Kushner and Ivanka have his ear than Bannon.

[panader0]

22. He committed a crime. That's why.

They all did, except maybe Prince Rebus.

[pangaia]

27. That sure is lowering the bar. :))))

[Sculpin Beauregard]

34. Don't let his dimples fool ya, he's guilty as sin

and has no business being in the WH, never mind having a security clearance.

[Alice11111]

44. No shit. They may be spoiled and hypocritical, but at least

They are Dems, Bannon is Iago, pushing DT to war and to starve the masses. I think the Economist did Bannon in though with the picture of him being the puppeteer of DT. Played right into DTs tiny hands and BIGLY ego. Too threatening.

[Progressive dog]

57. Because, we don't let criminals go

because of who they are or because we think they're sane.

[NastyRiffraff]

67. You might want to watch this:

[ehrnst]

71. Perhaps Jared is the one that is keeping a lid on (some of) the crazy behavior.

Perhaps the lid coming off will expedite his exit.

[Scarsdale]

53. Me, too

My doctor increased my blood pressure meds. Told me to STOP reading about tRump. Not possible, the orange lump is on EVERY blog, every newscast. This "reign of error" can not end fast enough for me. Ivanka with her frozen face, huge teeth and her brothers with their vacant looks are as repulsive as tRump.

[coco22]

61. And Donald Jr..

among others.

[dixiegrrrrl]

5. 2018???? are they saying we gotta wait till 2018 before this gets prosecuted?????

Way tooo long for that.


"Justice delayed is justice denied"
MLK

[fountainofyouth]

7. That's the sad truth

Democrats had the majority during the Watergate hearings. Democrats had the majority in 2007 when the U.S. Attorneys scandal and Bush's first-term counterterrorism policies were investigated.

[gratuitous]

38. I want the prosecution to be air tight

2018 isn't too long, especially with a steady stream/trickle of damning allegations, evidence and testimony. It took about 14 months for the case against Nixon to reach critical mass and force his resignation. I don't think that's too long to wait to make sure these criminals are duly and justly convicted.

[dixiegrrrrl]

45. how many toys of "HIS" military can he explode between now and then????

Granted, we were already in a shooting way with Nixon, but nukes were not a serious possibility.

trump is unhinged.

[gratuitous]

47. Short answer: A lot

Longer answer: A whole lot. But it doesn't matter if his presidency is endangered months from now or tomorrow, Trump could decide to go out in a blaze of crimes against humanity at any time. Not comforting, but it's reality since January 20.

Yes, the legal system is slow, tedious, and often delays obvious justice. I want all the evidence out, a fair chance for those criminals to answer the charges with all due process, and then convict them for everything they're guilty of. I don't want any sore losers having a leg to stand on. I don't want any witch-hunt whining or stab-in-the-back legend lingering on. Leave them with nothing but whataboutery. "What about her emails?!" is going to sound extra plaintive stacked up against the mountain of corruption I think is out there on the Trump administration.

[Sculpin Beauregard]

66. I'd argue that critical mass will build up faster in 2017 when compared to Nixon

because of social media availability today. The MSM is no longer in control of information flow. There are a lot of anti trump activists on Twitter who are digging up lots of stuff and passing it on to the MSM, lawyers and authorities.

Which is good, when we realize that this whole interference in the election was committed by a large degree on social media.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[gratuitous]

68. There's merit to your argument

But there's a lot of calcification among Trump supporters if the polls can be believed. Moving a significant percentage of them off the Trump Train will require a concerted, consistent effort.

[tavalon]

48. Is treason still punishable by death

I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, but in the case of the Trumps, I think I could find it in my heart to accept it.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

6. K&R nt

[malaise]

8. Lock him the fuck up

too

[George II]

9. More than going from bad to worse, it's going from bad to jail.

[Initech]

10. Is there anything they are doing that isn't criminal?

If the dems had done 1 of anything that the Trump administration is doing, they'd kicked to the curb 100 timers by now, locked up with the key thrown away. Why aren't we screaming for their heads?

[GP6971]

11. Repukes don't recognize and / or ignore laws

Always have.

[Chasstev365]

12. DADDY: Do something for my poorJared!

No worries kitten; I will pardon everyone because I am the president!

[gratuitous]

39. Send lawyers, guns and money

Da-a-a-a-ad get me out of this!

[Lee-Lee]

13. Sadly there is nothing to this one

I work with getting people through the background check process on a daily basis.

From all I can find on this Kushner did omit the contacts on his SF-97. However it appears he self-corrected and notified OPM that there were omnisons and corrected it the next day.

When a person self corrects before like that there isn't any evidence of intent to deceive or anything else that rises to the level of a criminal act.

I wish this one had legs, but chasing it as an issue would be wasted effort.

[babylonsister]

14. I have never read he corrected it the next day.

Thanks, and do you have a link I can read?

And I see it's SF 86.

[Lee-Lee]

50. Here is where I am seeing that

And yes, iPhone typo on the form number.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/us/politics/jared-kushner-russians-security-clearance.amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/origin-nyi.thehill.com/homenews/administration/327753-kushner-didnt-disclose-meetings-with-russians-on-security-clearance%3Famp

I've dealt with corrections. Once they notify them material is incomplete the process will not be completed until the rest is submitted, so it is treated as a partial submission. They may start reviewing what was provided but won't issue a final decision or clearance until the missing information is provided and they have gone over it.

I mentioned in another post here a few weeks ago when this first came up a case I worked where the person was in the military in Afghanistan working in a joint headquarters with military from several nations and often briefed high level civilian leaders from those nations and others when they visited. He was required to list all contacts who were representatives of foreign governments and it took him a lot of time to gather that info requiring multiple corrections to be sent. Eventually he was still working on it when the investigatior told us she had enough info and could see the picture and to not worry about more corrections unless she asked about any specifics.

Can it hold up issuance of a clearance? Absolutely it will. Does it rise to the level of a criminal act? Not unless they find it was done with intent to deceive, and making notification of omissions the next day is not indicative of intent to deceive.

[babylonsister]

52. Thanks very much! nt

[mr_lebowski]

21. And these are people getting clearances at what is probably the highest of levels?

Asking for clearance at the level of Adviser to POTUS is, I have to think, one of the highest (perhaps at the 2nd highest level, after the Prez, CIA Director types, around the level of that of the Senate/House Intel Committees, or so one might think?).

Is it possible that the 'rules' are a bit more 'stringent' in such cases, vs. what you handle on a daily basis, or no?

Just asking, I dunno myself but seems possible if not probable.

[Lee-Lee]

59. I don't see anything in the US Code treating them differently

The law that would be used to prosecute in such cases is the same, and to prosecute you need to show the omission was intentional.

There is no prosecutor anywhere who would take a case to trial of someone who submitted the paperwork and ten next day contacted them and said they made a mistake and would submit corrections.

It would be like someone who did their taxes and the next day noticed an error and contacted the IRS immediately and said they were working on fixing the problem, before the IRS even noticed. Would you be able to prosecute that as tax fraud? Of course not, no jury would ever convict.

[JudyM]

30. Which means Lieu is not credible. That's disappointing, I thought he might be someone who

could lead in the future.

[KittyWampus]

36. The poster you resonded to is wrong. Evidence presented below.

[HoneyBadger]

54. Either Lieu or Lee-Lee is not credible

We will find out which soon enough

[Lee-Lee]

56. Given what we know how could they prosecute this?

They submitted the information and the next day voluntarily came forward and said the information was incomplete and more would follow.

People leave information off these forms all the time without even self correcting in an oversight or just being sloppy. The amount of data you have to submit is very deep and detailed. I have never seen anyone even threatened with prosecution for leaving something off, and in most cases unless the investigator determines it was left off intentionally with intent to deceive they don't deny a clearance just for an omission.

Now if it's something left off and not corrected that is a negative factor in adjudication of the clearance and the investigator determines it could have been intentional then they cleanrace will likely be denied.

You have to show intent to deceive to prosecute a case like this as a criminal act. Given that they gave notice the form was incomplete the next day there is pretty much zero chance of doing that.

[HoneyBadger]

58. Perhaps Lieu is not credible then

[Lee-Lee]

60. Probably just political posturing

[csziggy]

35. As of April 6 he had not submitted the corrections according to the NY Times

Kushner Omitted Meeting With Russians on Security Clearance Forms

By JO BECKER and MATTHEW ROSENBERG
APRIL 6, 2017

When Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, sought the top-secret security clearance that would give him access to some of the nation’s most closely guarded secrets, he was required to disclose all encounters with foreign government officials over the last seven years.

But Mr. Kushner did not mention dozens of contacts with foreign leaders or officials in recent months. They include a December meeting with the Russian ambassador, Sergey I. Kislyak, and one with the head of a Russian state-owned bank, Vnesheconombank, arranged at Mr. Kislyak’s behest.

<SNIP>

This is not just bureaucratic paperwork. The form warns that “withholding, misrepresenting, or falsifying information” could result in loss of access to classified information, denial of eligibility for a sensitive job and even prosecution; knowingly falsifying or concealing material facts is a federal felony that may result in fines or up to five years imprisonment.

<SNIP>

Mr. Kushner’s aides said he was compiling that material and would share it when the F.B.I. interviewed him. For now, they said, he has an interim security clearance.

More: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/us/politics/jared-kushner-russians-security-clearance.html?_r=0

They are claiming that his applicant for clearance was "prematurely submitted" on Jan. 18 and that they notified authorities of that the next day. Nothing in this article from weeks ago indicate that the additional information had been provided. Nothing in the more recent articles indicate that either.

[Lee-Lee]

51. That still won't rise to a criminal act

Notification it was incomplete stops the process and a cleanrace won't be issued until the rest of the info is submitted.

It also makes trying to prosecute it as a criminal act pretty much impossible. You need to show intent to deceive for that, and self-reporting omissions pretty much ends that.

Was it sloppy and shady? Sure. Criminal? No way to can make that stick in court. It would be like prosecuting the person who paid for one book and walked out with two and nobody noticed but brought the second one back the next day saying it was an accident.

[csziggy]

65. Rep. Ted Lieu probably knows more than we do

And I can find no indication in news stories that Kushner has submitted an update yet. It's been months, it should have been done by now. Perhaps that is what Lieu is referring to. After three and a half months not updating the application for a security clearance application could be considered obstruction.

[Vilis Veritas]

37. I can't seem to find anything mentioning that info.

from a recent post here at DU about forum trolling.

8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

I'm not sure that article on forum trolling will be good or bad, but your post fit so perfectly I thought I would share.

I'm sure you can provide more evidence to back your claim.

[HoneyBadger]

55. In addition, the expertise is generally anecdotal, which does not count

[progressoid]

41. Yeah, seems there are a lot of posts about XYZ getting prosecuted.

Most are just speculation or wishful thinking.

[winstars]

16. Thats MY CONGRESSMAN!!!!

[onetexan]

19. KUDOS TO TED LIEU

Definitely a rare breed of politician with both a brain and a spine

[L. Coyote]

17. So, how many felons at this point?

[Hoyt]

18. He's just going to say that he told FBI that he had numerous contacts as part of transition team.

Unless the government can show he did something nefarious to undermine the election, I doubt that will bring him or anyone else down. As I understand it, these meetings occurred after the election. So, it's kind of hard to claim the meeting impacted the election. I wish it were not so, but I think we are in Fitzmas territory here.

[dchill]

20. K&R.

[FloridaBlues]

23. All the trumpet family are a bunch of liers and disfunctional

[BigmanPigman]

24. Can someone with more knowledge

than me tell me if collusion is a crime and if so at what level?

[KentuckyWoman]

25. Doubtful the first time. Doubtful will be the last time.

He'll never see a jail. He'll just be figuring out how to put the legal bills on the taxpayers.

That whole family is disgusting.

[Equinox Moon]

26. It would really something if we got see justice with trump and his minions.

[Phoenix61]

28. The IRS took down Al Capone

If they follow the money, I'm sure there will be more than enough to take down the Trumps. I didn't care how good a washer they have, sooner or later that Russian money is going to start stinking.

[avebury]

29. K&R nt

[Canoe52]

31. Wtf

Is twitter the official means of conducting government business now???

Drop this country into the toilet if it is.

God I'm getting tired of this 140 character method of communication!

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

32. Well, he is a Republican and related to a Republican president so he gets a pass

That's the unwritten law of the land now. Republicans are not guilty of all crimes they ever committed. Democrats are guilty of all crimes they never committed.

[burrowowl]

33. Would love to see the drump family

in orange suits!

[calimary]

40. That's my Congressman!

Somewhere here, we were asking each other about who else we've got, as far as leaders of our party.

Allow me to nominate Ted Lieu. I didn't think we could do better than Henry Waxman, but somehow, we did! I see him as worthy of bigger things in the future. He's WUNNNNNNNderful, and he sure represents my interests and concerns. I notice he's getting more face time on MSNBC - with Joy Reid in particular. GOOD! I want him to gain a higher profile. He could go far! We need him!

[NoMoreRepugs]

42. Longer the Rump Russia connection takes

to solve, because of the inertia created by Rethugs, may cause the level of current outrage to subside
.... way too many Americans lack patience IMO

[Hekate]

43. Watching Nicole Wallace just now raking Flynn over the coals of Hell, holding up her own copy...

...a massive document she had to fill out twice. She's subbing for Brian Williams tonight -- I really like her.

Can hardly wait till it's Jared's turn in the barrel, so to speak.

[Quixote1818]

46. This kind of thing should be cut and dry

If any regular schmo did this they would be in a huge amount of trouble. Lets see if the standard applies to those with friends in high places.

[MarinCoUSA]

49. Like TPM Josh Marshall says: The gravity at the core must be very strong. They all are lying

SSSOOooo many people lying about SSSssooo many tangential.

The gravity at the core must be very strong.

They all keep lying about all this stuff

[greymattermom]

62. This is nothing new for them

They always lie and they are always lawyered up. They believe that they are above the law, and, so far, they are right. Jared knows that sometimes the law can catch up with you.

[CrispyQ]

69. Who do we appeal to for an independent investigation into Trump/Russia?

Ryan? Seriously? How do We the People demand an investigation?

[LiberalLovinLug]

70. "If Democrats win back all or part of Congress, they are going to conduct a full investigation ...

.. into the Trump White House"

I will see it to believe it. That hasn't been their MO. Its been "looking forward". As far as I'm concerned, W Bush committed not as many crimes, but one big one that 'trumps' all others, in his administrations doctoring of evidence and lying the country into a war than not only costing multi-billions, if not trillions of dollars that could have been spent more wisely. Not only the massive casualties both the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, and the thousands of US and others military personnel. Then the 10's of thousands injured for life both physically and psychologically. Not only the fact that that invasion and Bush's handling of it stirred up rival hatreds and created the chaos needed for the rise of ISIS, which in an of itself has caused untold death and misery. As well mostly responsible for the huge refuge crisis.
But also on top of all of that, Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, and others scooped up millions in no-bid contracts, many of which the work wasn't even completed, plus secured oil rights etc. They made money from an abhorrent deception, and then borrowed billions more from China to be passed down to future generations.

So if all that gets a "we have to look forward", sorry, I'm not convinced that IF and when Democrats at last have a majority in the House, they will not be frightened hens again afraid to piss off the conservative middle American voter who will be no doubt glued to Fox News every evening telling them how the Democrats are wasting their money and shirking their real jobs by going on a witch hunt to persecute Trump because he "told it like it is" and they couldn't stand it.

I do pray they do not disappoint though, and remain hopeful.

[Angry Dragon]

72. Is there a crime this First Family has NOT conmitted??