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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:00 PM Apr 2017

Breaking. Exxon and Putin lose again! No sanctions waiver.



https://t.co/CEtAVb4l9B

MSNBC is reporting that the Treasury department has just ruled that several US companies, including Exxon will not be receiving waivers for the Russian imposed sanctions. This is obviously a huge deal for both Exxon and Putin as it leaves their joint $500B oil agreement frozen for the foreseeable future. I will update this with a link to a corroborating article once one becomes available.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/21/1655068/-Breaking-Exxon-and-Putin-lose-again-No-sanctions-waiver
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Breaking. Exxon and Putin lose again! No sanctions waiver. (Original Post) kpete Apr 2017 OP
WooHoo!!! Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #1
don't pop the champagne just yet SCantiGOP Apr 2017 #23
Good news. northoftheborder Apr 2017 #2
next up: Trump tries to abolish the Treasury Dept Skittles Apr 2017 #3
Something positive.. disillusioned73 Apr 2017 #4
They knew the timing was not right for such a deal... kentuck Apr 2017 #5
Exactly. They already got a bonfire burning. They are KPN Apr 2017 #35
Uncle Vlad no happy. Next stop: tenorly Apr 2017 #6
Dog and Pony Showtime. Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #7
And too much Russian leverage over illegitimate 45 and his tawdry cabal. KPN Apr 2017 #36
Corporate America is calling in their IOU's Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #39
Geezuz do I hope you're right! KPN Apr 2017 #40
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #38
Mnuchin has supported Democrats in the past... Qutzupalotl Apr 2017 #8
It's all just a big ole "misdirection" ploy. Both sides doin it! KPN Apr 2017 #37
Just flexing BigOleDummy Apr 2017 #44
Mnuchin about to get fired? Dopers_Greed Apr 2017 #9
During the Bush 2 yrs, all he had to say was "Heckuva job" and you were gone Cooley Hurd Apr 2017 #10
YES!!!!!!nt jrthin Apr 2017 #11
K & R SunSeeker Apr 2017 #12
They can't appear too complicit not fooled Apr 2017 #13
Putin might drop some more kompromat soon. Somebody dropped something on Chaffetz Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #14
Nyet? Marcuse Apr 2017 #15
Putin, sorry about that $500B oil agreement that's frozen for the foreseeable future. The99thTimeLord Apr 2017 #16
Welcome to DU, The99thTimeLord! calimary Apr 2017 #25
I wish they'd just do it. The99thTimeLord Apr 2017 #29
Wait until a few months from now when the Russian investigation is either over or folks are in jail. nikibatts Apr 2017 #17
Whoohoo!! lark Apr 2017 #18
Sucks to be Rexxon* and Putin... Raster Apr 2017 #19
Think you are correct. There are way too many loose threads for them to Enoki33 Apr 2017 #28
Good news Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #20
we could trade little oil for the trump pee tape. stonecutter357 Apr 2017 #21
They lose? SCantiGOP Apr 2017 #22
I agree. This is more of the same 'bait n switch' these guys seem to be adept at. Lyricalinklines Apr 2017 #42
this might piss Putin off enough Binders Keepers Apr 2017 #24
Just remember tiptonic Apr 2017 #26
It's too soon BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #27
"It's too soon." LenaBaby61 Apr 2017 #32
And lest we forget that BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #34
i foresee an angry tweet about "obama holdovers" and followed by a firing and a reversal.... unblock Apr 2017 #30
I am sure they are NewRedDawn Apr 2017 #31
First they need to get a big war going on in the Middle East to jack up the price of oil. Mr.Bill Apr 2017 #33
We should retaliate by hitting them where they live - eliminating their oil platforms. FreepFryer Apr 2017 #41
Or, even better greymattermom Apr 2017 #47
I Think The Sudden "Tensions" Between the US and Russia Were A Smokescreen... TomCADem Apr 2017 #43
Good, the oil companies can go fuck themselves. Initech Apr 2017 #45
Exxon and shell companies Sienna86 Apr 2017 #46
This is just another move in their 3 Dimensional Chess Game - They know they can't let the "Crime" Pachamama Apr 2017 #48

kentuck

(111,101 posts)
5. They knew the timing was not right for such a deal...
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:15 PM
Apr 2017

So Trump will use the extra time, until the sanctions are lifted, to try and make a better deal for himself.

He's negotiating.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
35. Exactly. They already got a bonfire burning. They are
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:04 PM
Apr 2017

stupid but not so stupid to throw a couple cords of wood and a few gallons of deisel on it! Wait 6 months or so.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. Dog and Pony Showtime.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:29 PM
Apr 2017

This will happen,count on it,there is to much money chasing this issue for it to go away.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
39. Corporate America is calling in their IOU's
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:22 PM
Apr 2017

as well as Putin and his Mob. Dipstick Donnie will capitulate shortly,and will cover his ass with some type of incursion in the Middle East.

Still say this Sucker is gone by New Years.

Qutzupalotl

(14,315 posts)
8. Mnuchin has supported Democrats in the past...
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:32 PM
Apr 2017

Does he have a bit of conscience left?

The link says "in consultation with" Trump. Who told who what?

My gut tells me that since we're so close to Trump-Russia story blowing up, and Rosneft is the key to it all — even Trump couldn't let this go through at this time. Better to avoid prison (possibly) even if it means losing billions.

That said, I still don't know what to make of Russia's forays into Alaska. Could be all for show, could be Putin is pissed, or maybe Putin is just testing Trump.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
13. They can't appear too complicit
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:45 PM
Apr 2017

it would have looked bad to lift sanctions on the first try. After they think the public is sufficiently tired of the story, they'll try again.

Of course, those of us here will never stop paying attention.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
14. Putin might drop some more kompromat soon. Somebody dropped something on Chaffetz
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:52 PM
Apr 2017

... re story that Louise Mensch tweeted 8 days ago and confirmed by announcement 7 days later that Chaffetz would not seek re-election and will quit before end of term, maybe even in days.
 

The99thTimeLord

(88 posts)
16. Putin, sorry about that $500B oil agreement that's frozen for the foreseeable future.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:02 PM
Apr 2017

Here's this thing called a "different" account where you'll find this problem goes away.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
25. Welcome to DU, The99thTimeLord!
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:10 PM
Apr 2017

Methinks Vladimir is starting to understand what buyer's remorse tastes like. Wonder how long he'll remain patient before it's time to cue the kompromat?

 

The99thTimeLord

(88 posts)
29. I wish they'd just do it.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:23 PM
Apr 2017

It's pissing me off and I know that if some of the things we're hearing are true than it's all orchestrated. And to me that's completely infuriating to think about.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
17. Wait until a few months from now when the Russian investigation is either over or folks are in jail.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:14 PM
Apr 2017

lark

(23,105 posts)
18. Whoohoo!!
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:17 PM
Apr 2017

I really needed some good news and this hit the spot. Oh, I bet Pootie and Drumpf are just steaming mad right now. Will Drumpf go on a tweet storm regarding his own cabinet pick? I can't imagine him just letting this slide, it's the one thing (other than eliminating himself from paying taxes ever again. He needs to accomplish this so he can return to money laundering for Russian mobsters, selling them houses at 10x the value once sanctions get removed.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
19. Sucks to be Rexxon* and Putin...
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:22 PM
Apr 2017

...and I don't believe for one minute that the tRump* "administration" does this for the right reasons... this is all about laying cover until the next best opportunity without all that pesky observation and oversight from pissed-off citizens. Even the most deliberately obtuse of the tRumpers* would see the ulterior motives.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
28. Think you are correct. There are way too many loose threads for them to
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:21 PM
Apr 2017

do anything else but wait. For the reputations that been gambled and money at stake don't think for one minute it will be going away. As Rumsfeld might say, there are too many known unknowns.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
22. They lose?
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:34 PM
Apr 2017

Check some stories on the internet. This is being run as "the Trump Administration has denied permission.'
I would call that a win.
And when they reverse the decision in a few months no one will notice and it will be a double win for Exxon, Putin and Trump.

Lyricalinklines

(367 posts)
42. I agree. This is more of the same 'bait n switch' these guys seem to be adept at.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:30 PM
Apr 2017

But in a few months, after they've shoved a health care bill through using the upcoming spending bill deadline (April 28) as leverage they'll do taxes and hope voters won't notice.

BumRushDaShow

(129,069 posts)
27. It's too soon
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:19 PM
Apr 2017

and would be way too obvious. They will try again by sliding it in a must-pass appropriations bill or on some innocuous bill that gets a unanimous consent vote because lawmakers were getting out of town for yet another break.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
32. "It's too soon."
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:30 PM
Apr 2017

Agree.

They'll get that deal DONE, but as you said if it passed right now, a bit too obvious.

However, it's funny that they'd try to make it "appear" to be them slapping the Secretary of Secrecy and big daddy blackmailer and puppet master putin, because most in the media won't say too much about it, plus what can we as the people exactly do about it in the short term?

That big, tasty oil deal WILL be done.

"Or else" says big daddy blackmailer putin.

BumRushDaShow

(129,069 posts)
34. And lest we forget that
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:53 PM
Apr 2017

Rick Perry is in DOE and is probably busy making sure the paperwork details are taken care of. He's already getting ready to start manufacturing ways to justify more subsidies for fossil fuel providers by dredging up the age-old GOP mantra of "market forces" as part of directing that studies be done of the current electrical grid.

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
33. First they need to get a big war going on in the Middle East to jack up the price of oil.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:50 PM
Apr 2017

Then they will tell us it will bring down the price of gas if we get access to the oil in Russia.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
43. I Think The Sudden "Tensions" Between the US and Russia Were A Smokescreen...
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 10:37 PM
Apr 2017

...to try to take attention from this request in order to demonstrate that Trump is not just a Russian puppet.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
48. This is just another move in their 3 Dimensional Chess Game - They know they can't let the "Crime"
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:36 AM
Apr 2017

...and the ultimate payoff (lifting of sanctions) happen in a quick and obvious manner. Remember, they know that the FBI and Investigations are closing in on them (since the "Sting" operation has been revealed) and the arrests can't happen without the "proof" and the payoff in the crime occurring. So if Trump and this administration appear to show they are tough on Russia and didn't want to lift sanctions, and even made tough statements to the contrary, then they can say "what crime? What collusion?".

However, it's all part of the strategy. With the possibility of events in Syria and all out war in the Middle East and even what is happening with North Korea, just wait and see that suddenly Russia and Putin will appear and do something that is a big move in helping stabilize the situation (i.e. Help get rid of Assad and stop the war) and as a reward, the Trump administration (after appearing so tough on Russia) will relent and reward in the name of "peace" to Russia by lifting sanctions.

Then no matter what the FBI and Intelligence communities can try to pin on them for collusion, they can always claim it is a false witch hunt and that they did no pro quid quo and if anything, they helped bring peace to Middle East and world...

And we all will just be expected to believe that it's coincidence then that the Exxon CEO is Sec. Of State and that Goldman Sachs people are all around Trump.

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