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LibraLiz1973

(8,197 posts)
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:26 AM Apr 2017

I have a crazy idea. NOT SOMEONE WHO ALREADY RAN 2020

We need NEW ideas. NEW blood.
NOT people who have run before.
No offense to Gore, Clinton, Biden or Sanders
but we. need. to. be. FRESH.

Look deeper. Let's stop digging down into the same well expecting
the same people we've seen before to emerge to make things better.

I can respect my fellow DUers who believe in the Bern, but I don't believe in him and I can't see where I ever would.
I would like a TRUE and PROUD (consistently proud, not just when it suits) DEMOCRAT
to run and win.

As for Hillary- I voted for her in the primary and in the national. She was my choice.
BUT.
The entire time I knew that running a Clinton only made the Rethug job easier for them.
The never ending smear campaign against the Clintons- and interestingly HER in particular (which I honestly think is 98.999% based on her gender and the fact that she's too damn smart for most men) made it easier for the Trump and his Russian peeps to pull the wool over his supporters eyes.
IMHO it made it easier to steal this thing. Because more and more I believe that she won- but his supporters are so deeply entrenched in the bullshit that they'll never, ever believe it. Even if they have it on tape.

For anyone who wants to argue that Bernie could've taken Trump...
UGH.
Guess what? The same would've happened with him, just from a different playbook.
You need to take a deep breath and look at who- and WHAT- the republican party really is.
Because a party full of confederate flag waving idiots who (a) hate women (b) hate blacks (c) hate Mexicans (d) hate gays (e) hate Hollywood (f) hate educated people and (g) hate Muslims was NEVER going to allow the election of a "socialist" jewish man from Vermont.

The core problem here- the often ignored issue- is that the Republican machine plays to hatred and the stupid.
We can't fight that with the same old, same old.

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I have a crazy idea. NOT SOMEONE WHO ALREADY RAN 2020 (Original Post) LibraLiz1973 Apr 2017 OP
I agree. More than anything, we need to expand our bench. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #1
I just almost died laughing over the Mondale comment LibraLiz1973 Apr 2017 #16
Not to mention Jimmy Carter! caraher Apr 2017 #31
I'll alert the media. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2017 #2
Thanks. The last thing we need is to become a gerontocracy Warpy Apr 2017 #3
If 2016 taught us nothing else LibraLiz1973 Apr 2017 #17
Here's to a brilliant Democrat who has the Cha Apr 2017 #4
Appreciate the post rpannier Apr 2017 #8
Well, at least Cha Apr 2017 #9
That was my goal rpannier Apr 2017 #11
Mission accomplished.. Cha Apr 2017 #12
Got My Vote Me. Apr 2017 #33
So...you're throwing your hat into the ring then???? Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #26
LOL! & Cha Apr 2017 #28
I agree proud patriot Apr 2017 #5
Truth quakerboy Apr 2017 #6
Yes. We have up and comers. JNelson6563 Apr 2017 #7
I wish Pelosi had been replaced Skittles Apr 2017 #10
Why? nikibatts Apr 2017 #13
Nancy Pelosi is a genius at getting things passed...she got healthcare through Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #21
Indeed Me. Apr 2017 #34
She's gorilla glue SticksnStones Apr 2017 #36
I agree. It's the only chance to bring us together. grossproffit Apr 2017 #14
I agree. fun n serious Apr 2017 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #18
Newsom/Warren 2020! Snarkoleptic Apr 2017 #19
The right has already started SMEARING Warren... TheDebbieDee Apr 2017 #39
Newsome cannot turn around and run for president right after he is elected governor. StevieM Apr 2017 #40
I agree luvMIdog Apr 2017 #20
I can't agree even tho I agree with the sentiment. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #22
exactly - why run a candidate that had 3M more votes than trump? DrDan Apr 2017 #23
think you can sum it up Republicans hate anyone less fortunate or different than they are. Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2017 #24
Totally agree...there are too many bad feelings Fresh_Start Apr 2017 #25
What new ideas? What ideas were missing from the party platform? SticksnStones Apr 2017 #27
I agree with your post....with one exception Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #29
My 48 year old son gave me the same lecture last night. mountain grammy Apr 2017 #43
Agree completely! Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #30
Stop using the right wing and media framing for what happened in the election. JTFrog Apr 2017 #32
A High-profile Dem that the repubs haven't smeared TheDebbieDee Apr 2017 #35
al franken. pansypoo53219 Apr 2017 #37
I like Sen Franken - I could get behind him, too. TheDebbieDee Apr 2017 #38
As strange as that might have sounded in the past.. WoonTars Apr 2017 #41
I agree, and that's exactly why we elected President Obama mountain grammy Apr 2017 #42
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #44
Joe Kennedy lll sellitman Apr 2017 #45
The person decides to run, and the party to run in. And Trump broke the model. CK_John Apr 2017 #46

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
1. I agree. More than anything, we need to expand our bench.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:04 AM
Apr 2017

I mean, fuck, Fritz Mondale is still alive, too. SAVE US, WALTER!

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
3. Thanks. The last thing we need is to become a gerontocracy
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:30 AM
Apr 2017

and there are a lot of good liberals and progressives out there to pass the torch to who weren't born during the Boomer years of 1946-1964. I'm an old Boomer, myself, and realize the world needs to move on.

We especially can't count on broadcast media to do anything but suppress our message and refuse to inform people while pushing another GOP moron the plutocracy think they can control.

The next fight is going to have to be a social media fight and grassroots, local fight. Corporate broadcast media have made themselves irrelevant.

LibraLiz1973

(8,197 posts)
17. If 2016 taught us nothing else
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:10 AM
Apr 2017

It definitely showed that the most of the press is controlled by money/ratings. And that doesn't make for good reporting.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
4. Here's to a brilliant Democrat who has the
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:35 AM
Apr 2017

intelligence and fire in their belly to withstand everything and to carry us to Victory.

Fresh Blood

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
6. Truth
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:05 AM
Apr 2017

None of the candidates we've already run is going to pass muster in the the next GE. At this point It really doesnt matter if Bernie could have won. Nor if Hillary could have won. Nor if Biden could have won.

"Could have" is NOT the same thing as "Can"

We need to bring someone new.

There's no chance we get someone new sooner than two years. Trump could start shooting folk in the street, and the Rep Majority wouldn't impeach. And even if he annoys them enough to impeach, and even if Pence decided to take early retirement.. We'd end up with Ryan.

So we have 2 years till the next midterm. That's the time period we have to stock our bench's with solid, new candidates who can be elected to office and get some name recognition in time for the next election.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
21. Nancy Pelosi is a genius at getting things passed...she got healthcare through
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:51 AM
Apr 2017

and I really like her...and respect her.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
36. She's gorilla glue
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 12:12 PM
Apr 2017

Holds together the caucus just like she's tasked to do. Might break some china, ruffle some feathers...but she gets it done.

Nancy Pelosi !

Response to LibraLiz1973 (Original post)

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
39. The right has already started SMEARING Warren...
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:49 PM
Apr 2017

By 2020 they will have saddled her with so many imaginary crimes of ILLUMINATI proportions - just ad they have with Sec Clinton...

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
40. Newsome cannot turn around and run for president right after he is elected governor.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:55 PM
Apr 2017

He can run in 2024 or 2028.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. I can't agree even tho I agree with the sentiment.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:53 AM
Apr 2017

I want O'Malley to throw his hat in the ring again.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
25. Totally agree...there are too many bad feelings
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 09:12 AM
Apr 2017

that we don't need to carry over to 2020.

I fear that we do need a Christian white male...because there are too many troglodytes that won't accept anything else. But perhaps we can stretch the category in the VP slot.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
27. What new ideas? What ideas were missing from the party platform?
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 09:27 AM
Apr 2017

New blood also needs political know how, established working relationships, a depth of wise advisers to navigate the rocky shoals of modern American politics and governing.

New blood is a great rallying cry but, IMO the presidency is not the place for someone to cut their political teeth. There's too much at stake.

We need someone experienced in battling the opposition.

Not New! New! New!

Not now. The cleanup after this disaterous administration will be epic.

Docreed2003

(16,860 posts)
29. I agree with your post....with one exception
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 09:43 AM
Apr 2017

Martin O'Malley....hope he runs again in the primary. He's been a steady voice for the Dems and he's making a name for himself in the Trump opposition.

This statement will likely get a blowback but here goes. You're absolutely correct about Sec Clinton. I voted for her, I worked to get out the vote for her, but your point is 100% correct and something I predicted in the primary. Due to the overwhelming tsunami of right wing smears she has endured for damn near thirty years, many voters viewed her in such a negative light that they would crawl to the voting booth to vote against her. It's not fair to her, it's not right, but it's the reality for many voters who have been inundated with RW shit since she was First Lady. Likewise, there's no way in hell that Bernie could have won in the general. The smears of "Jewish socialist" would have been the mildest attack.

As a party, we need to be promoting and highlighting our young, upcoming leaders. In no way do I mean that in an ageist way, but it's time to shift our attentions to the new blood in the party that are working hard to push back at Trump and his minions.

Just my 2c, fwiw

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
30. Agree completely!
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 10:01 AM
Apr 2017

Optics count, a lot. There are a lot off state level dems that would be good picks coupled with an older, better known VP, Warren maybe?

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
32. Stop using the right wing and media framing for what happened in the election.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 10:14 AM
Apr 2017

The Democrats didn't have the wrong platform or message. Hillary wasn't the wrong candidate and she DIDN'T FUCKING LOSE.

When people stop talking about what really happened, Russia, KGOP, Comey, Gowdy, McConnell et al, Crosscheck, Gerrymandering, GASLIGHTING, then you just lend legitimacy to asshole's presidency.

Just. Stop.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
41. As strange as that might have sounded in the past..
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:58 PM
Apr 2017

...I've thought about him as a potential candidate, more than once...

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
42. I agree, and that's exactly why we elected President Obama
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:03 PM
Apr 2017

He was new, he was a fresh face with no history, real or imagined. He had worked directly with people, directly with outreach, and hard as they tried, they couldn't find any dirt. That's exactly what we needed in 2016 and it's what we need now, but, now we know, a little dirt is ok too.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
46. The person decides to run, and the party to run in. And Trump broke the model.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 09:33 PM
Apr 2017

Look for Oprah, Mark Cuban, Jeff Bezos, Travis Kalanick, and
Tim Cook.

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