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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)Here's the full video- The programmer's name is Clinton Eugene Curtis.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The US House Judiciary Committee meets in Ohio?
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)The Democrats from the House Judiciary Committee met there in 2004 to discuss voting irregularities in US elections.
The software programmer, whose sworn affidavit was first reported by The BRAD BLOG, named Republican U.S. Congressman Tom Feeney (a Republican member of the Judiciary Committee!) as having asked him to create "vote-rigging" software when he was a Florida Congressman prior to 2000 elections!
Curtis was the only witness to be sworn in at today's hearings.
Here is the exclusive account as we've just received it by a very reliable BRAD BLOG source inside the committee hearings!
The following account may sound melodramatic but it is highly accurate.
None of these are quotes and represent my best recollection.
At apprx 1p, after a witness had finished, cliff arnebeck -- who had given a presentation some time before -- interjected and asked to call one more witness. He was given permission to do so. He said he was calling clint curtis.
Some of the audience literally gasped while others applauded. They clearly knew who he was.
Curtis stood at the front of room with arnebeck seated behind him. Curtis was about five to ten feet from the members of congress. At the front of the room, he placed his hand on a bible and was sworn. To my knowledge, he was the only witness sworn.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/13/79643/-
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)So, I gather this was not any sort of adversarial proceeding where what he said after this ritual was of any particular consequence, nor was it an actual hearing of the House Judiciary Committee, is that correct?
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)Does this sound like it was an actual hearing?
Here's a story from that year.
Ironically, Democratic State Senator Ray Miller of Columbus had secured the North Hearing Room in the statehouse. But Republicans cancelled that, and forced the gathering to convene at city hall, a block away.
Thus Ohio Republicans snubbed Conyers and Reps. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones (D-OH), Ted Strickland (D-OH), Jerold Nadler (D-NY), Maxine Waters (D-CA) as well as Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr (D-IL).
Packed to overflowing, the nearly four hour hearing hosted new disclosures about election irregularities and fraud on Nov. 2, while also pursuing remedies to account for the vote and delay the Electoral College certification of the president.
Prime target in the hearings was GOP Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, who supervised the state's elections while also serving as co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign. Calls for Blackwell's removal were constantly repeated.
Conyers noted that Blackwell has ordered local election boards to not allow citizens to review poll registers of voters, a lockdown that is an apparent violation of Ohio state law.
David Cobb, the Green Party presidential candidate, told the panel that he had confirmed reports that an employee of one electronic voting machine manufacturer had come to one county election office and had taken apart the county tabulator of voting machine results, apparently replacing parts, before that county had conducted its recount. Such an action would taint any recount. This could be a serious matter, Conyers replied, asking Cobb to meet privately with committee staff to further investigate the matter.
Rev. Jesse Jackson told the congressmen that over the weekend he had spoken to John Kerry, who has since sent a letter to each of the states 88 county election boards, saying he supported three areas of inquiry in the recount. Jackson said Kerry wanted forensic computer experts to examine voting machines, especially those using optical scan technology, because in other states, notably New Mexico, Bush had won all the precincts with that voting system in place. Kerry also wanted to examine 92,000 ballots that recorded no vote for president, and 155,000 provisional ballots that were rejected.
http://freepress.org/article/american-democracy-hangs-thread-ohio-0
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That's why I was curious to know specifically.
Could you point out to me where Rep. Conyers is in the video? Where is he seated?
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 20, 2017, 09:47 PM - Edit history (1)
of this "actual hearing"?
Once you do find one then you can Etch a Sketch a picture of the seating arrangements for all those in the DU Peanut Gallery.
You could also research Clint Curtis, Rep. Conyers, and Maxine Waters to find other info about these hearings.
Were you alive when this happened? Just curious.
I know that sounds like a smartass question, but I never know who I am talking to on here. If you were alive then I'm positive you remember when Bush stole his second election in 2004- The main stream media also covered this story with packages in their nightly newscasts.
Get to work for me- We have a deadline to meet.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Regardless of the stature of the persons who did remain after Conyers left, this proceeding - whatever one's opinion of the validity of the 2004 election - is a piece of theater.
To post it as "testimony" of some kind, absent context is intellectually dishonest. It is certainly literally true, but anyone can hold a meeting, call it a "hearing" and have people swear stuff.
You, me, this guy, or anyone, can swear whatever they want to any gathering of people in an unofficial capacity. There is no free-floating "perjury police" running around to address inconsequential things that people say outside of actual proceedings of some kind.
This one comes down to "some guy said stuff" with no other substantiating evidence several years ago, and then later had to say "other stuff" when it was pointed out to him that West Palm Beach didn't even use touch-screen machines.
If you were alive then I'm positive you remember when Bush stole his second election in 2004
Well, John Kerry doesn't seem to remember the election being stolen either, so maybe I'm just getting old.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but there is a very substantial, broad, and growing body of evidence - beyond "some guys swears to a microphone" - suggesting a number of criminal activities engaged in by the Trump campaign.
Quite obviously there are those who would like to deflect from that, or associate it with incompletely-characterized re-hashes of things from the past which didn't go anywhere.
Why might someone want to do that, do you suppose?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Florida 1.2% difference
Wisconsin .7% difference
Pennsylvania 1.2% difference
Michigan .23% difference
Those aren't identical. When the conspiracy theorists can't be bothered to at least look up the obvious things, it makes it hard to take the theory seriously.
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)The numbers weren't that far off- Were they?
Two respected statisticians have called for a recount of some votes cast in the US election to rule out the possibility that the outcome was artificially manipulated.
Since Donald Trump surged to victory, claims of foreign manipulation and the hacking of ballot-counting computers to skew the results have been rife.
The assertions are backed up by the US Department of Homeland Security and the NSA, who have both implicated Russian hackers as being behind hacks relating to the election.
These include the DNC email hack that blighted Ms Clintons campaign, and an attack on US voter registration databases.
MIT cryptographer Ron Rivest and Berkeley statistician Philip Stark say votes should be audited in a small number of jurisdictions in battleground states to check the veracity of the overall result which handed Mr Trump the White House.
In an article in USA Today, they say some of the crucial swing states had little means of defending against attacks, and that relatively few successful hacks could have been enough to change the outcome of the election.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-statisticians-vote-audit-hacking-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-a7434516.html
Initech
(100,080 posts)tandem5
(2,072 posts)back in '04 along with the Rep. Conyers unofficial hearings.