FactCheck.org: Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout

[Cha]

Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout

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Sanders, April 16: So many of our people are giving up on the political process. It is very frightening. In the last presidential election, when Trump won, we had the lowest voter turnout over — in 20 years. And in the previous two years before that, in the midterm election, we had the lowest voter turnout in 70 years.

Sen. Bernie Sanders wrongly claimed that voter turnout in 2016 was “the lowest … in 20 years.” In fact, turnout was higher than it was in 2012.

The overall turnout was 60.2 percent in 2016, up from 58.6 percent four years earlier. In addition, the percentage of eligible voters casting ballots for president in 2016 was 59.3 percent — the third highest in the last 44 years. Only 2008 and 2004 were higher.

More..
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/sanders-wrong-voter-turnout/

[Gravitycollapse]

1. Now all you need to do is connect this to Susan Sarandon.

[Cha]

2. BS is wrong on Voter Turnout for 2016

[Gravitycollapse]

4. I know that. But what role did Susan Sarandon have in this?

[boston bean]

6. Fuck susan sarandon.

Said trump was better than hillary.

Fuck her.

[Cha]

48. Yeah, sarandon can Fuck Off and take the asshole

jill fucking stein with her.

[Gothmog]

140. Stein did her best to help elect Trump

A vote for Stein was a vote for Putin and Trump

[Cha]

150. stein Lies got her fans brainwashed into

FUBAR our country.

[Cha]

9. FactCheck.org: Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout

[Gravitycollapse]

12. I'm thinking Sarandon wore a full-body Sanders suit Scooby Doo style.

[Cha]

17. BS needs to start checking his FACTS before he puts

WRONG information like this out to the American People.

[Gothmog]

141. Sanders is entitled to his own opinion but Sanders is not entitled to his own facts

[boston bean]

22. What does that even mean??

[sheshe2]

35. Games.

Walk away boston.

[Cha]

69. It's their way of deflecting the reality of BS

getting the 2016 Voter Turnout Wrong.

[NastyRiffraff]

116. What's with the obsession with Sarandon?

The OP didn't mention her; it was about Sanders being wrong.

[fleabiscuit]

23. They both say crazy shit?

"Susan Sarandon Just Endorsed Jill Stein for President"

[Cary]

92. You keep bringing it up

How about ditching the riddles and you tell us?

[StubbornThings]

86. Why are you the only one that calls him BS? nt

[Cha]

91. Talk to BS about his initials.

[Me.]

101. Love THat

as it has occurred to me so many times.

[George II]

108. He's been referred to by his initials by many around here and elsewhere.

[nikibatts]

124. BS is wrong about a lot of things, truth be known.

[QC]

5. !

[Cha]

10. Anything to deflect from the FACT that BS Got the 2016

VOTER Turnout Wrong.

[QC]

11. But only because Susan Sarandon told him to! n/t

[Cha]

16. Yeah, she's a liar

[betsuni]

8. Oh, you don't have to worry about that, most of what Sarandon says about politics is wrong.

[pnwmom]

13. Bernie is far more influential that the has-been movie star. When he gets it wrong, it matters. n/t

[synergie]

49. Is she the new consort in this new mythology or merely the high priestess?

[JudyM]

148. .

[Cha]

149. Mahalo for Kicking the thread so more can see how Wrong

BS was on his "2016 Voter Turnout" misinformation. It's important to get the FACTS Correct.

FactCheck.org: Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout

Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout

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Sanders, April 16: So many of our people are giving up on the political process. It is very frightening. In the last presidential election, when Trump won, we had the lowest voter turnout over — in 20 years. And in the previous two years before that, in the midterm election, we had the lowest voter turnout in 70 years.

Sen. Bernie Sanders wrongly claimed that voter turnout in 2016 was “the lowest … in 20 years.” In fact, turnout was higher than it was in 2012.

The overall turnout was 60.2 percent in 2016, up from 58.6 percent four years earlier. In addition, the percentage of eligible voters casting ballots for president in 2016 was 59.3 percent — the third highest in the last 44 years. Only 2008 and 2004 were higher.

More..
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/sanders-wrong-voter-turnout/

[sheshe2]

3. Yes he was!

Thank you Cha!

[Cha]

15. You're Welcome, she..

BS is so wrong about this.. he needs to start checking out what he puts out there to the American People, STAT.

He isn't helping anybody.

[sheshe2]

19. No, he is not helping anyone.

We need everyone together on this. We have an insane man in the White House and he wants to destroy America. That and only that should be the focus.

[Cha]

24. Exactly! Why is all this insulting of the Democratic

Party going on.. is the big question. What does it gain?

Absolutely NADA! Not even constructive criticism.. just plain meanness and divisiveness.

[sheshe2]

25. I asked Skinner about that tonight.

[Cha]

27. Thank you..

[sheshe2]

29. You are welcome.

No great expectations, yet had to comment.

[Cha]

30. ..

All we can is shine a light on it and try to make it right.

[leftynyc]

68. It was a self serving lie

(just like degenerate donnie does). His message was if he were on the ticket, more people would have turned up. I'm sick of him.

[NastyRiffraff]

118. Thank you

I was trying to figure out what the hell he meant. That makes sense.

[George II]

146. More people may have turned out but that doesn't mean they would have voted for him.

[ucrdem]

7. Yes.

Sanders runs with the memes that fit his narrative and they often have a dubious relation to the facts. That's not a bash, it's an important observation.

[sheshe2]

21. ucrdem!

I have missed you!

[ucrdem]

50. Heya sheshe!!

Exactly my thought

[sheshe2]

55. Lots of hugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cha]

26. Right, ucrdem.. that's why I posted this as an OP

To get it out there why BS is being called out.. for just such bad information as this.. and constantly insulting our Democratic Party.

With verbatim quotes.. this is all on him.

Mahalo

[ucrdem]

53. Great catch Cha!

Yep five months is way too long to still be getting it wrong.

[Cha]

60. yeah, he needs to use FACTCHECK.. like we

are..

[Hortensis]

71. Yes. And I got tired of it a long time ago.

These tactics that try to build dissatisfaction and anxiety instead of pride and aspiration don't work with me.

And as a Democrat I'm especially tired of being constantly insulted and having to pull knives out of my back. We protect and represent the best of America's ideals and achievements at all times, but these days we are the only ones.

[pnwmom]

14. And that high turnout was in the face of voter suppression affecting millions of votes.

We'll never know how many in key races were prevented from voting, but it was significant.

[boston bean]

18. Correct. Good point.

[Cha]

63. Excellent reminder, pnwmom!

Another thing BS doesn't talk about..

[R B Garr]

20. Fake news to fit his limited narrative.

What a surprise! Not.

[sheshe2]

32. Please define

democratisation

Then please define your definition of

"constructive critism"

SP? You took what Cha said out of context. Cha's sentence...

Not even constructive criticism.. just plain meanness and divisiveness.

...was that it is not even constructive criticism, she did not say constructive criticism was divisive.

[Cha]

39. Mahalo, she.. seems Miss-Mass blew

her whatever. lol

[sheshe2]

43. Sad

[Cha]

47. Pathetic!

[sheshe2]

56. That too

[Cha]

34. "Constructive criticism"? Bull. You do NOT know what you're talking

about. you can "WOW" all you want..

[SunSeeker]

40. Love how you make the trolls nuts, Cha! Especially when it gets them zapped!

[Cha]

51. LOL.. I

almost missed this post!

miss-mass was a piece of work.. she had it out for everybody except BS. lol



You're SunSeeker

Can I borrow that gif?.. she was on my thread, too.

[SunSeeker]

54. Sure, you can have anything I post!

Keep up the good work, Cha!

[Cha]

58. I just saw

we are on my thread.. lol.. so many threads so many fires to put out!

Thank you, SunSeeker.. U2

[Quixote1818]

31. CNN: Voter turnout at 20-year low in 2016

You really need to blame CNN for this if they got it wrong not Sanders. He probably read this report months ago and it stuck with him.

Washington (CNN)Voter turnout this year dipped to nearly its lowest point in two decades.

While election officials are still tabulating ballots, the 126 million votes already counted means about 55% of voting age citizens cast ballots this year.
That measure of turnout is the lowest in a presidential election since 1996, when 53.5% of voting-age citizens turned out.
As election officials go through outstanding ballots -- such as provisional ballots and those with write-ins -- the turnout figures will change.
But it would take another 18.7 million votes to reach the high point for turnout of 2008, when nearly 64% of voting age citizens cast a ballot.
Early results in some of the key states that propelled President-elect Donald Trump to his win reveal that more voters cast ballots this year than in 2012, even though overall turnout was down.

More:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/

[Cha]

33. BS needs to make this right then.. if he's going to be

pushing bogus cnn news.. in April 2017 from 2016

[Quixote1818]

42. And if he gets busy with his job and 100 other more important things tomorrow and forgets

about this obscure statement that perhaps a few thousand folks payed attention to for more than five seconds then we crucify him anyway! Don't you think?

[Cha]

46. Oh right.. why should we expect him to correct this..

Sanders, April 16: So many of our people are giving up on the political process. It is very frightening. In the last presidential election, when Trump won, we had the lowest voter turnout over — in 20 years. And in the previous two years before that, in the midterm election, we had the lowest voter turnout in 70 years.

I certainly don't.. he better not say it again.

Hillary got 66 Million VOTES.. 3 fucking Million more than trump.

Never hear BS say that, do we?

[synergie]

57. Nope, that whole messianic thing is going a bit overboard, but yes we should call out

forgetful old men who get their basic facts messed up and can't handle their jobs. That applies to any old man who thinks shouting out vague things is how he does the job he's been handed.

This is unacceptable behavior, period. Be it in a Senator or a President. And those who use these sad old excuses to dismiss the incompetence here deserve all the mocking that SNL, Mellisa Mccarthy and anyone who can appreciate the idiocy of the spin here can drum up.

Sorry, Spicey, but yes, we do think, and that's why this spin keeps failing, in the press room and on DU.

[betsuni]

64. Why shouldn't he be held accountable? "Feet held to the fire" and all that.

It's only fair and democratic that everyone be treated equally.

[Cha]

67. Exactly betsuni.. BS needs to make sure

the information he throws out there is 100% Accurate.

Thank you!

[R B Garr]

37. The last paragraph explains what FactCheck was

saying about 2012.

[onenote]

97. The article says that the turnout figures will change

so the fault in relying on this preliminary turnout story is on those who failed to check to see what the final numbers were.

[George II]

110. He didn't say "according to CNN". It was HIS comment and he owns it.

[Bradical79]

111. That's old news

One of my pet peaves with election coverage. They irresponsibly report on too many stats before those numbers are finalized.

[NastyRiffraff]

119. FactCheck.org is our friend

It could be Sander's friend, too.

[BainsBane]

136. The excuse is corporate media?

Oh, the irony.

[SunSeeker]

38. Yep. Not the first time. nt

[William769]

41. And won't be the last time either. nt

[sheshe2]

44. Night owl!

[William769]

45. I can't sleep.

[sheshe2]

59. Neither can I.

[SunSeeker]

61. Me neither.

[sheshe2]

62. We are a Triumvirate.

[lame54]

65. i heard that from a lot of sources...

it was repeated many times

[Cha]

66. Good to know.. Mahalo,

lame!

Now we're getting the news out on DU.

[LexVegas]

70. Maybe he meant "neglected white dude" voter turnout? nt

[NurseJackie]

72. When I saw all the silly deflecting going on... I knew this was a true story.

Thank you for posting it. Truth and accuracy is important. People should be held accountable for their "mistakes", I believe. And "popular" and "important" people in "leadership" positions should be held to a higher standard than 2nd-rate celebrities (in my opinion).

[Cha]

74. Yeah, it's so funny.. evidently

BS doesn't make mistakes.. I don't see any of his supporters touching this except the ones trying to deflect with the ssarandon nonsense.. or covering for him because cnn ran a bogus story in 2016. He's had plenty of time to get his facts straight.

This is quite the tale he's pushing to the American People.. he's "frightened" for god's sake.

He should be mentioning Hillary got 66 Million Votes and 3 Million more than the asshole.. but he never does.

Yes, he should be held to a high standard.. and I'm trying to do my part.

Mahalo, Jackie

[Vinca]

73. So what? Why is this post worthy?

The continual bashing of Bernie on this site does only one thing: alienates left leaning people from the Democratic Party. If you want to keep flogging him, realize it is at the expense of votes for Democratic candidates. No whining when we keep losing races.

[Cha]

75. Why the hell are you questioning what is "post worthy"?

FYI.. It's important for Everyone to know that what BS said about the turnout in 2016 wasn't true.

It's not as Depressing as he made it out to be.

You need to stop questioning other people's right to post information on a Political Discussion Board.

[Vinca]

76. Why? Because you and others are alienating people from voting for Democrats.

I'm not terribly excited about living under a Republican regime for the remaining years of my life.

[Cha]

77. Because you're not the gd boss.

[Vinca]

78. I'm not going to fight with you even though that's what you appear to want.

I want Democrats to unify not split.

[JTFrog]

112. Unify?!?

The things Bernie thinks are helpful I can't understand. Calling to primary a sitting Democratic President, claiming our Democratic nominee was not qualified to be President, calling the party corrupt and the primaries rigged. About as far as you can get from valid or constructive criticism.

Democratic party "corruption" has kept Bernie Sanders in Washington for the last twenty five years. He whines about "rigged" Democratic party processes, about insiders, about the party keeping the little guy out of power. Bernie Sanders is actually fine with all of that. As long as it benefits him. Take a look at his electoral history sometime. Did he go off about corruption when the Dems turned their back on Dolores Sandoval for him? How about all the other times he has benefited?

Backing an anti-abortion candidate and then dumping all over a great Democrat in a race that is pivotal for the party. If they didn't support Bernie in the primary, screw em. If they are favored by the likes of John Lewis, screw em. That's some winning unity there.

Trashing the party after being given a leadership role because this was somehow gonna unite the Democratic Party seems to be more damaging than ever. Perhaps he can look to other Democrats who have been working hard for the party for years on how to actually build and bring the party together. Because since he got in the spotlight, shit has gone nowhere but south.

[stevenleser]

114. I know. I love it when Bernie fans try to call out other people for not being "unifying"

It's a joke.

Sanders entire schtick is being divisive and trying to turn various parts of the Democratic Party against each other.

[justhanginon]

130. Agree!

[Cha]

131. Whoa.. good post, JTFrog..

Thank you! A little history there.

BS is the opposite of trying to Unify.

[NurseJackie]

81. Fact-checking is not "bashing." Why should anyone be given a free-pass if they make a mistake...

... or if they've said something that's demonstrably false? Shouldn't party leaders be held to a higher standard than, say, Hollywood actresses?

[stevenleser]

94. Yes it's so terrible on a political discussion forum to discuss political factchecking

regarding statements from a prominent political figure.

How dare someone do that here.

[betsuni]

99. ...

[Gothmog]

142. Why do you think that Sanders is keeping his e-mail list to himself?

The only explanation that makes sense is that this preserves Sanders' ability to run as a third party candidate. Giving up the e-mail list would put this fear to rest.

Do you want Sanders to run as a third party candidate in 2020 assuming that he is willing to release his tax returns?

[dembotoz]

79. Once again our brightest star treated like crap

This is getting pathetic

[Cha]

80. Tell your "brightest star" to get his facts right..

Good Grief.. he isn't infallible. He does makes mistakes.. hate to break it to ya.'

This is important information.. I don't know why some want to live in the dark on this.

[NurseJackie]

82. The OP is actually HELPING him to be more accurate in the future. Why would anyone oppose that?

[StubbornThings]

85. The OP refers to Bernie Sanders as BS.

No one else does that.

Their agenda is clear.

[NurseJackie]

93. 1) I'm not seeing his initials anywhere in the OP. 2) Those are his initials, who cares?

The only "agenda" I can see is one that pursues truth and accuracy. Why would anyone be opposed to that?

[Cha]

98. My "agenda" is to bring FactCheck.org to DU that states..

FactCheck.org: Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout

[Cha]

87. ..

Helping him to be a "brighter star"!

Mahalo, Jackie

[NurseJackie]

117. Naʻu ka hauʻoli

The pleasure is mine.

[Cha]

120. I stole your heart..

Mahalo, Jackie

[NurseJackie]

126. Yes you did.

[Cha]

127. Lol

[dembotoz]

144. now that is funny

[NurseJackie]

145. :-D

[Gothmog]

143. Sanders is entitled to his own opinion but Sanders is not entitled to his own facts

This is a valid fact check

[Gothmog]

83. Sander was so very wrong on his clam here

Thanks for posting this thread

[stevenleser]

84. Sanders plays fast and loose with the facts all the time

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/statements/byruling/false/

[mcar]

88. K&R for truth!

[Cha]

115. Mahalo, mcar!

[stevenleser]

89. Some folks are mad at you because this potentially disrupts the Sanders sanctimony they want

to continue spouting. This post has the potential to cause them cognitive dissonance. Somewhere deep down they recognize if he plays fast and loose with the facts that he can't be worthy of the deification they bestow on him and thus their religious devotion to him would be misplaced. Therefore they deflect and use all kinds of other defense mechanisms to try to reject your post.

[HughBeaumont]

90. Wrong about voter turnout.

NOT wrong about economic inequality, human rights, minimum wage, health care, higher education and winner-stomp-everyone Crapitalism.

Perspectives.

[stevenleser]

95. And often wrong about the facts and figures he uses to justify those things too.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/statements/byruling/false/

[Cha]

96. Thank you for that, Steven

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/statements/byruling/false

[stevenleser]

104. That's because politifact hadsnt been following Bernie for long

They only started following him since he ran for President, I.e about 2 years. They have been following Hillary for over 12 years. So based on that, she issues about half the false statements per year that Bernie does.

Of course, this OP isn't about Hillary so your attempt to deflect is yet another example of Sanders supporters not wanting to face the truth.

[Cha]

107. Hey shawn.. this isn't about the damn Primary.. This is Here and NOW..

..quit trying to deflect from the OP..

Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout

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Sanders, April 16: So many of our people are giving up on the political process. It is very frightening. In the last presidential election, when Trump won, we had the lowest voter turnout over — in 20 years. And in the previous two years before that, in the midterm election, we had the lowest voter turnout in 70 years.

Sen. Bernie Sanders wrongly claimed that voter turnout in 2016 was “the lowest … in 20 years.” In fact, turnout was higher than it was in 2012.

The overall turnout was 60.2 percent in 2016, up from 58.6 percent four years earlier. In addition, the percentage of eligible voters casting ballots for president in 2016 was 59.3 percent — the third highest in the last 44 years. Only 2008 and 2004 were higher.

More..
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/sanders-wrong-voter-turnout/

[HughBeaumont]

103. Politifact has a problem with his wording moreso than the reality.

Asserting that "America and it's capitalist economic system is just fine" because Bernie said "twice as much" when the reality is "1 1/2 times as much"? Is that what we're going for here? Defending a war profiteer, tax dodger and polluter like Exxon Mobil because Bernie forgot about state and local taxes? That's like saying "Lay off that multi-millionaire - he pays 8% more taxes than you do!"

I can counter with just as many "Trues" and "Mostly Trues" regarding the economy and social issues.

Don't like the guy all you want. Doesn't matter to me. America has a glaring wealth distribution problem, medical bankruptcies continue to plague a nation that still doesn't regard health as a human right, women still get unequal pay, NO party is addressing capitalism's serious flaws and lack of a future for Millennials, Gen X and Retirees . . . . that isn't changing because of nit-picking. We need to do a better job of messaging.

[klook]

109. Thank you.

Wish we could harness the energy spent on Bernie outrage and channel it into opposition to Republicans.

[NurseJackie]

105. I don't know what to say.

[panader0]

100. I just wish you all had as much animosity for Trump

and his minions as you have for Bernie. It really makes me wonder.

[betsuni]

106. ...

[QC]

113. It makes a lot of us wonder.

[treestar]

121. We do.

And wonder why Bernie had to help cause the disaster that is Donald of Orange.

[panader0]

122. Utterly ridiculous. lol

[treestar]

123. not more so than the claim Bernie was cheated

out of the nomination. Two can play at that game.

[R B Garr]

133. +1000

!!

[NurseJackie]

125. What animosity? The OP is correcting the record with factual information. Why ...

... why would anyone have a problem with that? I think that most reasonable people would agree that it's important to be factual. Wouldn't you want to be corrected if someone noticed that you were repeatedly saying something that wasn't correct? Or, are you suggesting that people should just let-it-go and look-the-other-way?

[lapucelle]

128. It's not the only thing BS is wrong about.

He demurs that he doesn't know enough about Jon Ossoff's progressive bona fides to endorse him over a Republican opponent in an important special election for a Congressional seat, but he is solidly behind Tom Perriello who has an anti-choice and pro-NRA voting record as the more progressive Democrat in the VA gubernatorial primary.

BSWTF?

Mahalo from NY!

[Cha]

129. I know.. and that Mello guy in Nebraska..

but nothing positive to say about Jon Ossoff?

But, maybe it's better this way.. Jon had lots of good help from Women he said and Samuel L Jackson had not problem saying nice things about Jon.

Aloha from Kauai

[tallahasseedem]

132. Bernie is wrong on pretty much everything...

this can't be that big of a surprise.

[Cha]

147. No, this is definitely no surprise..

that he's campaigning for a pro-lifer was a tiny one..

"As the Wall Street Journal's Reid J. Epstein and Natalie Andrews note, Mello in 2009 sponsored a bill that would require a woman to look at ultrasound images of her fetus before undergoing an abortion (he still opposes abortion rights). Indeed, it's tough to think of something that progressives would hate more."

Link to tweet

And, yet..

Link to tweet

Mahalo, tallahasseedem

[Orsino]

134. There's a danger in continuing to cite statistics from right after an election.

Such as the CNN article already referenced, and this one: https://www.forbes.com/sites/omribenshahar/2016/11/17/the-non-voters-who-decided-the-election-trump-won-because-of-lower-democratic-turnout

Especially in America, where it somehow takes us weeks or months to finish counting ballots, even with help from machines, and where we might decide just not to count them at all. A lot of people were fooled by apparently lowish turnout at the time, including some who want to blame Sanders as the source.

The OP is about as technically correct as Sanders would have been when those numbers were fresh...but because Sanders isn't quite a Democrat, last year's rage can finally be vented here in safety.

[stopbush]

135. Democratic false narratives are just as destructive and unhelpful as any other

false narrative.

We waste time, effort and $ addressing "facts" that are actually fictions. It's diversionary and counter-productive.

Sanders' citing of these fictions as facts that need to be dealt with is akin to saying that the reason the market for buggy whips collapsed was because the manufacturers failed to come up with a cheaper version of the product that poor people could afford, even if they didn't own a buggy.

[Cha]

137. I think it's important to get FACTS right. He had it all

wrong.

[stopbush]

138. Everyone at DU rails against tRump having his alternative facts.

We should rail against any progressive who also has their own alternative facts.

[Cha]

139. Yes! Shine a Light on

it.