There Is No "Bernie Bashing". There's Reasonable Annoyance At His Insults & Unhelpful Comments

[KittyWampus]

about Democrats and the Democratic party. Quite a few of us who are paying attention are sick of Sanders belittling comments about the Democratic party even whilst having the privilege of serving as head of Democratic party OUTREACH.

And this is while we are fighting for the life of our Democracy.

Calling the Democratic party "feeble" while Pelosi held her caucus together against the Republican health care bill.

While Schumer holding his caucus together against Gorsuch.

That was not feeble.

This from a career politician who can't even define "political correctness"?

And Sanders just had the nerve to say that Democrats didn't address economic concerns of people in coal country when, in fact, Clinton had a whole damn page on her website on how she would bring coal miners forward.

Sanders, when asked about Osseff, didn't have to say Osseff was progressive or not, all he had to do was say he was a Democrat fighting for the people of his district against the threat of Trump.

Sanders couldn't even handle a basic statement like that.

So pointing out our annoyance and frustration with Bernie Sanders and the gratuitous insults that come out of his mouth and his inability to wholly support the Democratic party is not bashing.

[fishwax]

1. I'm pretty sure I've seen both

[boston bean]

2. I don' t get how calling out dem bashing is bashing bernie.

But i've got three hides as evidence of the phenomena.

[NBachers]

16. I got a hide: "Don't bash Democratic public figures." I pointed out the figure wasn't a Democrat,

by his own admission. My defense was, "How can I bash a Democratic figure, if the figure, by his own admission, is not a Democrat?"

It was in a thread indicating Sanders himself saying that he wasn't a Democrat.

I accused him of siphoning gas out of Democratic tanks; it included an appropriate graphic.

You can find it here, but you'll have to un-hide it. It's right under a Cha post.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028947540

[Hekate]

21. You want to see genuine Dem bashing?

Look below before it's gone. Turns out Senator Schumer is Chucky Schmucky who does sideways assassinations, whatever that is.

[NBachers]

22. WOW! Just

wow

[Rincewind]

39. The same thing happened to me. nt.

[NastyRiffraff]

98. We're supposed to pretend Sanders is a Democrat

contrary to his own multiple assertions that he is not.

Note to jurors: I just posted the plain truth, by Sanders' own words.

[NastyRiffraff]

118. QUOTING Sanders is not "bashing" him

He has said, multiple times, that he is not a Democrat. I don't think he's lying; I take him at his word. DU rules can't change that.

[JudyM]

121. The rules say no bashing Dems, including him. Saying he's not a Dem isn't bashing him, but

assuming the rules allow bashing of him is incorrect.

[delisen]

152. Is there a blackout then on posting Sanders quotes which bash Democrats?

[Justice]

155. Exactly. that is my issue. Bernie needs to stop bashing Democrats -- which includes him saying

he is not one - he makes it sound like being a Dem is bad.

[NastyRiffraff]

156. When did I say assuming the rules allow bashing?

In fact, I said the opposite; that we're supposed to pretend Sanders is a Democrat (according to the rules). No matter what you say, he's STILL not a Democrat by his own words.

Go ahead and alert. You know you want to.

[Stargazer99]

176. I don't give a damn if Sanders is Demo or independent

I think those of you trollers I trying to divide the progressive side with this Bernie crap
I can see through you easily, your posts are annoying but won't change my mind

[lapucelle]

128. Can you really "unhide" a post?

[NBachers]

129. Well, I can - It says "Post removed Show my post" and if I click the blue "Show my post,"

it comes back. Maybe only I can show my own post; maybe others can't. I went through the appeal process, but it didn't get my post restored.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

37. I was equally critical of both Clinton and Sanders

But nearly all most posts about Sanders were hidden while only a single post about Clinton was. I kept expecting to get tomb-stoned.

[SirBrockington]

120. Ditto

On three recent hides as well.
I Basically stated Sanders' rhetoric was divisive and unhelpful, possibly a bit more passionately I guess.

[Gothmog]

3. I am annoyed at Sanders attacks on the party and refusal to help candidates

[calimary]

29. Me too, Gothmog. I sure wish he'd stop crabbing.

It's just divisive as hell. Look at how we're back fighting amongst ourselves again. AGAIN. WHY does he insist on being so divisive?

I wish he'd stop it. It is NOT doing any good or serving any purpose except to keep us divided at exactly the moment when it is URGENT that we all band together and fight shoulder-to-shoulder. It's NOT helping!!! It is NOT beneficial. It's only aggravating - and terribly corrosive. For Pete's Sake, we have a common enemy now that should be bringing us solidly and unshakably TOGETHER as a united front. And all he seems interested in doing is picking at scabs and fomenting discord all over again.

I just wish he'd stop.

[Cha]

41. i know.. what's up with that?..

Link to tweet

That's ok, BS, Samuel Jackson knows who Jon Ossoff is.. and Ossoff credit Women for helping him so much..

Samuel L Jackson made a campaign Ad for him...

Democrat Jon Ossoff gets Hollywood help in Georgia special election

snip//

Democrats are pumping millions into the Georgia congressional election set for Tuesday, hoping 30-year-old political upstart Jon Ossoff can leverage celebrity endorsements to deliver a rebuke to President Trump and his first 100 days in office, and help the party reclaim lost momentum.

Paving the way is actor Samuel L. Jackson, who helped create a radio ad urging voters to flip the seat previously held by Republican Tom Price, who is now Trump’s health secretary.

His ad highlighted “Pulp Fiction" references as he announced: “Vote for the Democratic Party. Stop Donald Trump, a man who encourages racial and religious discrimination and sexism. We have to channel the great vengeance and fury we have for this administration into votes at the ballot box.”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/04/18/democrat-jon-ossoff-gets-hollywood-help-in-georgia-special-election.html

He's a Liberal Dem in Georgia..

Jon Ossoff liberal policies

snip//

Jon will stand up in Congress for a dynamic, forward-looking, fiscally responsible economic policy that maximizes opportunity for entrepreneurs, workers, and investors.

Jon will work to level the playing field for small businesses so they can grow and create jobs that will empower Georgians to strive, save, send our kids to college affordably, and retire comfortably.

Jon will work in Congress to reduce the tax burden on small businesses and simplify small business tax filing. He will work to repeal wasteful, anti-competitive special interest subsidies that make it hard for entrepreneurs to raise capital, enter the market, create jobs, and compete with larger firms who have lobbyists in Washington.

Jon will go to work to ensure that health insurance premiums don’t cripple businesses or force them to lay off employees.

Jon will defend equal pay for equal work and fight any effort to allow wage discrimination against women or minorities.

Jon believes the minimum wage should be a living wage. He will support an increase in the federal minimum wage indexed to cost of living and implemented at a pace that allows employers to adapt their business plans.

fun n serious https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8953182

[stonecutter357]

58. +1000

[uponit7771]

73. +1

[hedda_foil]

86. Refusal to help???? What the (#+% do you think this unity tour is about?

Why do you think he's going around with Perez as head of Dem outreach? You must understand that the party asked him to do this. Do you think that national political figures just show up for candidate events or party rallies to the surprise of the candidate's campaign? Do you know that these popular figures are invited by the campaign?

Could it be you don't recall Bernie campaigning actively for Hillary during the GE? Again, where and when he went was up to her campaign.

This entire thing is being egged on as a propaganda effort to divide the Democratic base and some folks right here are buying it lock stock and barrel just when the party is trying to build unity in advance of next year's election.

[disillusioned73]

87. Bingo -Bango..

[Gothmog]

89. Where are Sanders tax returns?

[disillusioned73]

90. lol..

[Cha]

169. Damn Good Question.

[Cha]

168. Yes, indeed! Mahalo, Gothmog!

[Gothmog]

170. Hi Cha

[Cha]

171. Aloha!

[Stargazer99]

179. Your president won't give his tax returns and you are asking for Sander's

Just how stupid do you think we are?

[Gothmog]

187. Trump is not my president and Sanders may not be able to run in 2020 if he fails to produce returns

There are a half dozen to dozen states who are adopting new ballot access rules that will require candidates to provide tax returns to get onto the ballot. The election law blogs are mixed on whether these provisions will survive challenge and I expect Trump to sue to block these laws. http://electionlawblog.org/?p=91865 I have no doubt that trump will cite the sanders example in these lawsuits.

Time will tell. I applaud the efforts of the states adopting these ballot access rules and hope that these states (all blue states) are successful in their efforts to defend these law. The litigation will be nasty enough without giving trump some additional arguments

[Gothmog]

88. Sanders ignored the Georgia race and is keeping his e-mail list for possible third party run

Why is Sanders keeping his e-mail list except to preserve the right to run as a third party. The JPR and BOB idiots are pushing Sanders hard to run as a third party so as to ensure Trump's second term and to hurt the Democratic Party.

Sanders is not planning on helping the Georgia candidate. Why?

[disillusioned73]

91. Maybe..

if you looked at the demographics in that county you would know that the district is more centrist ( Hillary did well there)and maybe.. just maybe Bernie would not have helped, but harmed in that area.. could it be that the DNC actually suggested Bernie NOT help out?? It's a possibility and now it has become the anti-Berners favorite talking point..

While we're asking about support, why didn't the DNC or DCCC help the Kansas candidate?? Too progressive maybe?? IDK

Email lists won't help Democrats run better campaigns.. their policies, positions & honesty are the most important assets to running a winning campaign..

[Gothmog]

93. So it is okay with you if Sanders decides to run on a third party ticket in 2020?

I think that this would be a bad thing for the party

[disillusioned73]

94. You are getting way ahead of yourself..

2020 is not even on the radar yet.. let see how 2018 goes first

[hedda_foil]

116. Where the f#ck did you find that pos idea?

It's one of today's idiot talking points but has absolutely no substance. If he were going to run as an independent, he would have done it last year. In 2020, he'll be pushing 80. He's working with the Dems because he supports Democrats. Period. Please can the rumor mongering.

[Gothmog]

165. Why is Sanders not releasing his e-mail list?

[Gothmog]

188. Why is sanders refusing to release his e-mail list?

[Gore1FL]

122. When did he change his position on third party runs for president?

This is where he stood previously:

Sanders: Third-party votes 'in a sense' votes for Trump
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298877-sanders-a-vote-for-a-third-party-candidate-in-a-sense-a

Sanders Urges Those Considering Third-Party Candidates To Vote For Clinton
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-tells-voters-elect-clinton-over-third-party-candidates

Bernie Sanders: Don't vote for a third-party presidential candidate in this election
http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-dont-vote-third-party-gary-johnson-jill-stein-2016-9

Bernie Sanders Warns of the Danger of a Third-Party Vote
http://time.com/4497049/bernie-sanders-third-party-clinton/

Bernie Sanders: Don't vote for a third-party presidential candidate in this election
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/09/17/bernie-sanders-dont-vote-for-a-third-party-presidential-candid/21473920/

Sanders Rejects Effort to Draft Him Into Starting a New Political Party
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/sanders-rejects-effort-draft-him-starting-new-political-party-n719931

Do you have a single link that supports him even considering much less making a decision to run 3rd party in 2020?

[hedda_foil]

95. Oh please... As I stated, Ossoff's team didn't invite him to campaign with them.

His district is conservative so Bernie wouldn't have been a likely choice for them. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that he's planning to use his email list for a third pArty run. For heaven's sake, he's been appointed to a major DNC office and they're not stupid. He wants to keep his list to make sure it's used appropriately. He used the list many times to support and fundraise for Hillary, for heaven's sake.

I repeat, this bizarre feud bears all the hallmarks of being ginned up specifically to prevent the Dems from unifying the establishment and progressive wings. That's what the unification tour is all about, you know. And shamefully, too many here are buying into the propaganda and repeating it here and elsewhere.

[lapucelle]

130. "Ossoff's team didn't invite him to campaign with them."

Do you have a link for that?
Is being invited to campaign with the candidate a requirement for an endorsement?

[uponit7771]

175. +1

[Gothmog]

189. A sanders endorsement of Ossoff could have helped

[stevenleser]

113. Your subject is actually a good question, although not the one you intended.

Why would he go on a tour to help the party and its candidates and then spend most of it attacking the party?

[Gore1FL]

124. Define attack.

The Dem party has serious issues that need to be corrected. Is pointing those out "attacking?"

Do you have examples of him "attacking?"

[stevenleser]

149. Nope, I am not playing that game. We both know what that word means. nt

[Gore1FL]

151. Then you are misusing it. nt

[stevenleser]

159. Nope, I'm not, and you know that. nt

[Gore1FL]

164. Considering your lack of examples, I suspect you are.

Did Bernie "attack" like a teacher "attacks" when he is grading a paper?

Did Bernie attack like a doctor "attacks" when giving a diagnosis?

Did Bernie "attack" like a scientist "attacks" when she makes an observation?

[Historic NY]

146. It hasn't got off to a good start....

when the Sanders crowd is booing Perez & the DNC and there is video.....

[cstanleytech]

147. Aye both Bernie and Hillary have shown a willingness to help but to be honest I personally think

that Bernie could help alot more if he would join the party because some of his advice as good as it sounds is going to fall on some deaf ears I fear because some people will find it hard to swallow advice from him on how the party should be run when he himself refuses to join the party.

[George II]

160. Unfortunately while on this "unity tour" he unabashedly proclaimed "I am an independent"....

...to the shock of the Chairman of the Democratic Party sitting right next to him. Those were Sanders' very own words.

Starts about 1:10 into this video:

[Gothmog]

172. Attacking the party is not helping the party

[Stargazer99]

178. You have got it! This dividing us is their goal

[moonscape]

138. Me too, and I voted for him in the primary. Wouldn't today. n/t

[Stargazer99]

177. He is not attacking Demos, he is saying to them look at this let's fix it

[Gothmog]

186. He wants to attack the party and remake it into his image by ignoring key elements of the base

I strongly disagree with Sanders attacks on the party and I strongly disagree with the concept that we need to focus on white male votes and ignore key elements of the base

[Joediss]

184. Me too

I use to listen to free speech TV , not no more , all they talk about is how bad the Dems are , they don't want to talk about how Russia fucked with our elections, and these left leaning pundits on the left , i guess you call the justice dem party , well they got nothing good to say about any elected dem , and they are constantly run down people like Rachel Maddow for cover trump connection to Russia. I supported Bernie during the primarys , and i got very upset about how the democratic party treated Bernie , but i voted for Hillary in the main election. After all if it wasn't fake news , Hillary adopted about 95 % of Bernie's platform, so what the deal with these people that didn't vote for Hillary because she wasn't liberal enough , i done with these people on the far left ,i don't know what they want anymore , nobody is good enough for them anymore if they have a D in front of their name.

[Chevy]

4. One wonders if

some people here at DU actually travel over to Twitter and see the rage at Sanders by women and POC by whatever his latest comments are regarding their issues and concerns. These are not troll accounts but long standing users. Idiots at TYT and the Intercept compound the problem with continued assault on Dem politicians including John Lewis and Maxine Waters.

The Russian Troll Bots are easier to spot and be blocked if you know what your looking for. This link helps.
https://blocktogether.org/show-blocks/nfIVcnqOOvr_yWglz38r2zSNG__VE2ZFdIgkDudh|

[Cha]

12. I can imagine how outraged they are on Twitter

over him.. I am Outraged.

[Chevy]

30. This looks familiar..

Link to tweet

[R B Garr]

103. Wow! That is so out of touch and a very revealing

statement by him. That's like advocating for people to crash their cars to test if the insurance will actually pay up. Ass-backwards approach!

I've got a twitter account but don't know how to use it--time to start in. I'll check out that link, thx.

[tavalon]

131. I've said the exact same thing

I woke up the morning of the election, horrified. There is nothing good about this maladministration, but the silver lining is that people who've never paid attention to politics are awake and getting involved. It's the only silver lining of this shit show. I'll admit that I only go on Twitter to harass the Cheetolinni, so I never saw this Tweet from Senator Sanders.

The opinion I just stated is one I came up with on my own, to help me move on when I was and am so horrified that getting out of bed seemed impossible.

[melman]

5. Yes there is

Tons of it all the time.

[synergie]

31. Indeed, there is tons of reasonable annoyance at this man who attacks Dems

while profiting from and craving power within the party. Not bashing, but reasonable anger at his antics. Unreasonable folks attacking those expressing annoyance at bashing of Democrats by this man. Tons of them, all the time.

[betsuni]

6. Thank you. Calling criticizing the words coming out of Bernie's own mouth "bashing."

Suddenly the fields are full of flowers trembling when a single spring raindrop touches their tender petals. Democratic flowers are used to violent sandstorms and hailstones the size of baseballs, blizzards, tornadoes. And calling us bods and trolls, come on.

[boston bean]

9. It seems a rather concerted effort with similar claims and memes.

Wonder if they are organizing their messages to cause disruption.

Feels and looks like a very familiar tactic.

[betsuni]

10. Sure does.

Very familiar. They've had a lot of practice.

[R B Garr]

7. Nailed it again, KittyWampus!

Agree with everything you said.

He obviously has some strategy for advancing himself first of all. It's incredibly suspicious that he didn't even at least make a supportive comment about the Ossoff race in the South.

In the meantime, he called the Montana candidate he's supporting a populist instead of a Democrat, and he's supporting a candidate in Nebraska--both of those states voted for him, but not the South.

I saw your comment about his turned away body language at the rally last night, which seems very self-absorbed. Not impressed with his "help."

[JTFrog]

8. K&R! nt

[NanceGreggs]

11. Careful as you go, WP.

The "alerts and hides" abound tonight for those who dare question the motives of Saint Bernie - or even quote his own words.

[NBachers]

18. The "Alert" crew has been strong these last days.

[William769]

20. They got the old crew back together again in Siberia.

[NBachers]

24. Slightly familiar, wouldn't you say?

[QC]

85. It really is bad when people coordinate alerts offsite.

[William769]

104. ...

[sheshe2]

142. +1000!

[NanceGreggs]

23. Oh, yes.

They post flame-bait OPs that are clearly "refighting the primaries" - then alert-and-hide replies to those OPs on the grounds that responders are "refighting the primaries".

[Chevy]

26. What is more shocking is

that some of these insane Bernie loyalists have been here for ages it is like they spent no time here at all over the years during the other primaries. And yet to apologize for their part in the Russian Fake News/Wiki assault on Dems

[sheshe2]

28. Right u are....

I have been called 4 times today.

Lol! Had read all the threads...stayed off so I would be called. Interesting day here,

[sheshe2]

143. noticed that.

[NastyRiffraff]

157. Yeah I had one of them practically begging me

to post an alertable post, demanding that I tell him/her what I disliked about Sanders after I simply said that I didn't like him. I think many of us can recognize a trap when we see it.

[NanceGreggs]

161. Yep, it's a trap.

You'd think some people would have better things to do.

Now I just stay out of any threads about Bernie altogether. They just repeat the same old talking points anyway, so there's no point in trying to have a discussion on the topic.

[betsuni]

27. Even I've had a couple of hides lately, and I don't post that much.

Didn't think I was on their radar. Everyone should be careful.

[Hekate]

17. Welcome to DU

Enjoy your stay.

[Hekate]

15. Plus a thousand, KittyWampus. It is reasonable annoyance at his constant digs at Dems...

Bernie has his strong points -- but playing well with others, ie compromising, does not seem to be one of them.

Ossoff -- to mention just one Democrat -- is running in Georgia, ffs. He's not running in Vermont or California. In order to get elected to Congress at all, he has to appeal to his district, not Bernie's. Give the man a little credit, and give him a hand -- no need to damn him with faint praise.

[SunSeeker]

19. K & R

[Quixote1818]

25. Well, when a handful here follow every move Sanders makes and get a megaphone

to announce every time he gives tepid support maybe because he was busy or not on his game, one might get the impression he is the anti-Christ. I am sure if the same 10 DUers got the megaphone out for any other Dem senator for every stumble they made they would probably equal to or more than Sanders.

It's incredible the amount of time a few of you are spending on one Senator who happens to be one of the most liberal. What about all the others? How about Joe Manchin? Why does he get ignored and Sanders gets the megaphone for any tiny little thing. The amount of anger by a few here over 2016 around here is astounding.

[synergie]

32. The guys with the megaphones are the ones who post fawning OPs

constantly praising him and giving thanks for every little thing, because he is the alpha and the omega and the one from all things derive, even the things he has literally nothing to do with. Those of us calling out that demented and oddly placed devotion are attacked.

One gets the impression that some believe him to be the savior, the messiah and that these folks are on a holy crusade, a truly religious zeal.

It's incredible the amount of time a few of you spend on elevating one senator, while bashing anyone who dares to quote him verbatim, as if his own words are an attack upon him. I don't see Joe Manchin attacking and undermining the party with every word out of his mouth, why do the words of one Senator get ignored, why is he never ever ever responsible for anything he says or does? Yes, we are angry over what happened in 2016, if you are not, then you are not paying attention. Those of us who saw what was going on are extremely pissed off at these old white men who won't show their taxes, keep lying and attacking Democrats while going off all half cocked and never ever knowing what they're talking about is truly annoying. We know who put Trump in power, and it wasn't Democrats or progressives or Americans, it's time the devoted figure that out and wake up already.

[Cha]

34. Brilliant, synergie!

It's incredible the amount of time a few of you spend on elevating one senator, while bashing anyone who dares to quote him verbatim, as if his own words are an attack upon him.

[betsuni]

35. +1

[FSogol]

45. Could Sen Sanders make a rock so big that even he couldn't lift it?

[NastyRiffraff]

162. Great post, synergie

A lot of us are sick of the cult-like behavior towards someone who was an insignificant back-bencher before 2015. I remember all too well the comparisons to Jesus. And the bird. The BIRD, for chrissakes!

And now, we're not even supposed to QUOTE this man. Are His Words too sacred?

[Cha]

33. BS needs to stop insulting the Democratic Party with Divisive

Crap..

He's wrong and counter-productive when he calls our Democratic Party "feeble" and "can't fight back"on Rachel's Show and "..the Democratic Party of the elite" in Boston with Senator Warren..

When ssarandon is the Elitist..

Who suckered the LOW INFORMATION voters with LIES like these..

"The prominent Sanders backer also predicted that a Hillary Clinton indictment was "inevitable"

Susan Sarandon: Hillary Clinton more dangerous than Donald Trump

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/03/susan_sarandon_hillary_clinton_more_dangerous_than_donald_trump/

poor ssarandon "had to change her phone number.." while the rest of the country that isn't so well off have to worry about this among other trumpshite..

Link to tweet

..he insults Dems Who are out there on the Front Lines Fighting for our Very Lives..

He's Wrong and Divisive.. only helping trump, the gop, and the m$m.

Dems have our BACKs and I have theirs.

Truth.. Our Dems ARE Fighting for us..

Democratic Congressman Calls for 'Total and Complete Shutdown' of Trump Agenda in Congress

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028837680

Maxine Waters? Tweets: Meet Donald Trump's Kremlin Klan

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028839413

Top Dem calls for investigation into House Intelligence chairman

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736108

Schumer: Democrats will filibuster Gorsuch nomination

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736192

Al Franken: What was Merrick Garland about?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028836324

Woah. Rep Schiff: New evidence of Trump/Russia collusion "would merit a grand jury investigation"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028840444

Thanks to Franken and Klobuchar for helping Dems understand why Gorsuch must be filibustered

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028838216

[Stargazer99]

181. Because the other side is scared as hell of a liberal like Sanders

[quakerboy]

36. Yes, there is.

plenty of bashing. I see it here and hear it in real life.

That's a whole lot of energy that could be aimed at ending the Trump era, instead spent squabbling over irrelevancies.

If people would stop bashing him, Sanders would mostly fade away. He would be a progressive voice, and push his issues till he retires, saying things that sometimes irritate dems and usually utterly infuriate Republicans and picking away at Trump on the regular.

But instead, he has to be the issue. Front and center. Because bashing Bernie is easier than moving on.

[dchill]

38. Yeah, it's Bernie-bashing...

and it's getting us nowhere good.

[Cha]

42. BS insulting the Democratic Party is getting us nowhere.. he started

insulting us and we're calling him out. we are not going to roll over for BS or anyone else.

Accusing the Democratic Party of being.. "feeble" and "can't fight back"on Rachel's Show and "..the Democratic Party of the elite" in Boston with Senator Warren..

When ssarandon is the Elitist..

Who suckered the LOW INFORMATION voters with LIES like these..

"The prominent Sanders backer also predicted that a Hillary Clinton indictment was "inevitable"

Susan Sarandon: Hillary Clinton more dangerous than Donald Trump

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/03/susan_sarandon_hillary_clinton_more_dangerous_than_donald_trump/

poor ssarandon "had to change her phone number.." while the rest of the country that isn't so well off have to worry about this among other trumpshite..

Link to tweet

..he insults Dems Who are out there on the Front Lines Fighting for our Very Lives..

He's Wrong and Divisive.. only helping trump, the gop, and the m$m.

Dems have our BACKs and I have theirs.

Truth.. Our Dems ARE Fighting for us..

Democratic Congressman Calls for 'Total and Complete Shutdown' of Trump Agenda in Congress

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028837680

Maxine Waters? Tweets: Meet Donald Trump's Kremlin Klan

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028839413

Top Dem calls for investigation into House Intelligence chairman

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736108

Schumer: Democrats will filibuster Gorsuch nomination

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736192

Al Franken: What was Merrick Garland about?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028836324

Woah. Rep Schiff: New evidence of Trump/Russia collusion "would merit a grand jury investigation"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028840444

Thanks to Franken and Klobuchar for helping Dems understand why Gorsuch must be filibustered

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028838216

And, this..

FactCheck.org: Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout

Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout

snip//

Sanders, April 16: So many of our people are giving up on the political process. It is very frightening. In the last presidential election, when Trump won, we had the lowest voter turnout over — in 20 years. And in the previous two years before that, in the midterm election, we had the lowest voter turnout in 70 years.

Sen. Bernie Sanders wrongly claimed that voter turnout in 2016 was “the lowest … in 20 years.” In fact, turnout was higher than it was in 2012.

The overall turnout was 60.2 percent in 2016, up from 58.6 percent four years earlier. In addition, the percentage of eligible voters casting ballots for president in 2016 was 59.3 percent — the third highest in the last 44 years. Only 2008 and 2004 were higher.

More..
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/sanders-wrong-voter-turnout/

If he didn't insult us all the time.. I wouldn't be calling him out. He's divisive and wrong.

[JCanete]

40. lets see what Senator Warren has said about the party as recently as yesterday, shall we?

CORNISH: To that point, you write very specifically about policies, especially Republican policies that you feel have not worked for the middle class. But when you look at globalization deals like NAFTA, banking deregulation laws like Glass-Steagall, they were presided over by Democrats.

So what's your response to the citizen, the voter who says the Democratic Party has not held up its end of the deal to American workers?

WARREN: Well, I think - I think there's truth in that. Look, let's be blunt. Democrats have not always been on the right side of these arguments. And frankly, Democrats have not indicated, always, a willingness to wade in and actually to fight for the people who need it.


I think there is criticism we can levy at the democratic party, whether we are in it or not, and I personally have thick enough skin that I'm not going to have any hurt feelings for it.

The Democratic opposition to Gorsuch was fine...it was unsuccessful, but there were no tools in the Democrats arsenal to make it successful. But us Democrats do have an annoying history of not using everything at our disposal and then being surprised when the Republicans use the powder we kept dry for them. I'm glad you have no concerns about the Democratic party, now or previously, in its ability to be an effective opposition to the GOP over much of the last 25 years. In the face of the GOP always trying to ram through the worst most regressive legislation possible, I'm glad that you don't have a problem with us trying to finesse through incremental measures, when we should be scaring the shit out of them into coming to the table with the most lefty progressive rhetoric and policies possible, but I'm getting weary of our fighting style. I think we're losing the attrition war and have been for some time.

That's because money wins every time, in every domain. That's what it does, we just pretend like its not the main thing we're fighting, and that it hasn't dug its claws into our ankles and made us fight with a limp.

There's a reason why some of us think this issue has to be front and center, and why we are less inspired when we don't see that that is the case. I appreciate that Ossoff is fighting against corporate corruption. I appreciate that Spitzer was fighting corruption. But in Spitzer's case, when it came to money in politics, he did not see a problem. I don't know if we can afford the small victories and keep missing the forest for the trees.

But I'm glad Clinton had a whole page about coal workers on her website.

[LexVegas]

43. Had to get in that little bit of Clinton bashing, huh?

Transparent.

[JCanete]

109. I didn't bash her, and I do respect her. Her approach isn't my

favorite, although I do think it's in good faith, but I also understand what she had to deal with to survive in Washington, which has affected her politics.

edit: oh I see, you're responding to the line I dropped at the end. That wasn't actually intended as a bash on Clinton, but I can see it being taken that way in the context. I'll clarify. There are a lot of things that were apparently on Clinton's website that didn't really translate into her actual campaign. You can't talk about everything, and how many coal miners do we actually have in relation to this nation's population anyway...but I do not actually think she put most or much of her vocal efforts towards the class struggle.

Being fair, I don't think it would have mattered what she did when it came to conservatives, because she was already public enemy number one based on the last 20 years of smears and falsehoods via Fox news and GOP radio. I understand her counting on different demographics and not bothering to waste energy courting these populations under the circumstances.

[treestar]

81. She is being thoughtful and she is a Democrat

And it is one incident, not more than one as Bernie has.

[JCanete]

111. it is a reality she is acknowledging. It is a reality that doesn't exist just one time...

if it is truth, then it is not something to simply brush under the rug. We as a party have to be wiling to hear it and say it, and tell our leaders we don't want to see that, and that we are watching.

To be fair to them, I think they need that vocal pressure, because it puts a lot of heat on them to try to get funding and then to be the ones to bring an issue forward that frustrates those funders. They have a lot more freedom to do what we all believe they want to do, if there is a groundswell of pressure to do it.

[cwydro]

44. K and r. nt

[FSogol]

46. K & R. Completly agree. n/t

[Vinca]

47. If you are annoyed at Sanders, why keep highlighting him on the site? Try ignoring him.

People who like Bernie perceive it as bashing and that annoys them. If you want to alienate left leaning people from the Democratic Party, continue on. But it will cost Dems elections. We really have to get beyond spinning our tires in the last primary mud hole.

[randome]

55. His latest 'gaffe' was to say, when asked why he isn't a Democrat...

...that he considers himself an Independent. The implication is that there is something 'wrong' with being a Democrat. He could have said he's an Independent because of Vermont restrictions on party affiliation but, no, he had to go and make some sort of 'point' about whether it's worthwhile to be a Democrat.

And he's in charge of Democratic Party outreach!
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[Stargazer99]

182. there is no reason that Sanders has to be a democrat-he is a socialist and I like that!

this country is a horror story for the average working person that is never told
Europe does much better at being a society than the richest nation in the world
If you have money life is good, if not go ahead lose your home, car and don't
forget about death (the Republican solution to the Obama care is guaranted to
force death of the poor....a small taste of Nazi Germany's solution in the 1940's
And the rich are whining about being treated badly like the German's did to
the Jews, the rich have no idea what it is like watching your family member die
because there was no money for doctors. The so-called safety net is a sham
that allows for legal murder, because there is no concrete safety net. Just talk
to me and I can verify what I post and if others could be heard they would back
me up.

[randome]

190. Then he needs to join the party or leave.

You don't like your neighbors, I bet you don't go out on the street and badmouth them with everyone else, do you?

If he doesn't want to be a Democrat, that's fine with me! But he needs to stop thinking he's the smartest man in the room when it comes to the DNC handling its own affairs.
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[Demsrule86]

66. We can ignore it on this site and should...however, as Democrats we

need to call the DNC and tell them to stop the stupid unity tour which clearly is not working and get to work on electing folks like Ossoff and any who do not support that effort should be ignored.

[NCTraveler]

48. I wish thought was put into all of these posts as you have done here.

I agree with how you outlined some of our issues.

[dembotoz]

49. Bs

[DefenseLawyer]

50. It's curious that following the most horrific choke in the history of politics

That the torch carriers for the status quo can still be so condescending and cocky. But alas, they are.

[QC]

52. +1

[Cobalt Violet]

60. +2

[m-lekktor]

61. +3 nt

[KittyWampus]

65. The status quo? Stop gaslighting us. Most of us are progressives on the left and Democrats.

The status quo is currently sliding into Authoritarianism.

Most of us know who Osseff is and sent him a couple of bucks.

Most of us want single-payer but defend the ACA as the only present alternative as it's under the gun.

Your post is insulting.

You insult us in order to defend a politician who is not being entirely helpful in the Democratic party's fight against the slide towards Authoritarianism.

[HughBeaumont]

68. Not just a choke, but a stranglehold.

Hyper-right wing Republicans now control all three branches, most state legislatures and most governorships. They also control most corporations and the media (vis a vis, the narrative). America has NEVER been this extremist right wing; not even during Reagan's or W's reign.

If we're so fucking great, how come we continually lose?

[Maven]

71. I know, Bernie lost by a lot.

Don't be too hard on yourself though.

[uponit7771]

76. +1

[That Guy 888]

127. I think I'd rather lose to Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump.

But aren't the 2016 Democratic Primaries over?

[uponit7771]

75. Russia and Benedict Donald call it a choke too

[Hekate]

96. Considering HRC won 3 million more votes than Red Don, despite Putin, vote rigging, and all...

Yeah, I'd call that pretty horrific too. Damn, that woman failed utterly to get the racist vote, the white nationalist vote, the vote of those who want a strongman (emphasis on man), and the low-information vote. Such a failure. Damn, and it's all on her, no question.

So tell me, all you prosecutors and juries out there: How do we swing the Democratic Party and our message in the coming elections so we can capture the racists, misogynists, white nationalists, and low-info voters? Is a strong leftward tilt going to get them? What, exactly? On edit: For gods' sake don't take this to mean I think the Party needs to swing rightward. I don't. But think about who The Mad King's base really is when you bemoan the fact that we lost them. We never had them.

Or are we going to stop blaming Hillary for our own party's members' failure (among other things) to show up at midterms -- the failure that allows statehouses to pick up representatives who then get to gerrymander the hell out of districts? Are we going to stop blaming her for problems that have been accumulating for 40 years, ever since Newt Gingrich started his Orwellian career, a far right wing billionaire-funded plan that is now bearing its most evil and poisonous fruit?

Oh sure, DefenseLawyer, defend that status quo.

Where were you when DU was hacked? I sure remember how cocky and condescending (your words) our members were. On Nov 7 one of our most respected members told how she woke up that morning thinking the election was over and Trump had won, at which point she vomited. She was not alone in that state of hyper-anxiety. Then the nightmare came true for all of us.

This country has systemic problems that are none of Hillary's fault. She's spent a lifetime trying to ameliorate them. And her reward has been to be hunted down like a dog by the VRWC until millions believed the lies.

Yet she still got 3 million more verifiable votes than Trojan Horse Don, the Mad King.

Yeah, sure we feel all condescending and cocky.

Actually, we just have had it up to our back teeth with the lies that will not die, and the blame that is going to sell a thousand books.

[DefenseLawyer]

107. This is great. Let's take no responsibility. Let's blame everyone but ourselves.

Let's all get "3 Million More Votes!" tattooed on our arms and keep running the same campaign again and again. Why wouldn't we? According to you we did everything right. It was just that the racists and the rubes and the Russians and the all powerful Green Party were just too much. And to be fair, it's not like we just had a two term Democratic President that somehow found a way to win. I mean let's not live in some fantasy land. That's just crazy talk. All of us idiots just need to stay the course. Maybe some day I'll be smart enough to understand, but I doubt it. Endeavor to persevere!

[uponit7771]

167. Gas lighting bullshit again, I'm sick of this Ruskie line, someone who was cheated on is owed an...

... apology not a demand for reflection!!!

TRUE reflection happens WITHOUT the variant of cheating otherwise its a stupid waste of time...

Like askin someone running a foot race why they didn't win said foot race after they got shot in the leg

[DefenseLawyer]

173. We were cheated. That explains everything.

Al Gore was cheated. But choosing Joe Liberman, running as a bland centrist and not fighting back against the "invented the internet" narrative were still huge mistakes. John Kerry was cheated, particularly in Ohio. But not fighting back against the swift boat attacks was still a huge mistake. Is your entire world black and white or is it only so static when it comes to Hillary Clinton?

[uponit7771]

174. Gore cheating was not DURING the campaign it was afterwards, Russia's cheating was DURING the 16

... campaign and so there's no equivalency to 01.

You can't have a ref during a game cheat for one team and then do a fair assessment on the team who lost.

The cheating ref interjects too many variants ... way too many.

[Cha]

191. The Democratic Party is taking responsibility.. We

just don't need BS out there insulting us every chance he gets.

The Divisiveness needs to STOP.

[uponit7771]

166. +1, "Red Don" ... I'll use

[stevenleser]

114. And yet, your chosen candidate lost to ours so yours was worse. Who should be less cocky? nt

[DefenseLawyer]

139. Here's your Primary winner's trophy

Put it on the mantle next to your signed photo of Hubert Humphrey.

[stevenleser]

150. Your attempt at deflection doesn't change the truth of my post. nt

[liberal N proud]

51. After his lack of support for numerous Democratic candidates

I could never support him for anything.

Democrats support other Democrats and efforts to build Democratic numbers in elected office.

[Omaha Steve]

53. Bernie Sanders & Tom Perez chairman of the DNC set to stump for Mello (D)

I will be there tonight.

OOPS!!!! https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8952326

[alarimer]

54. Not unhelpful, just people who WILL NOT LISTEN

Keep whistling past that graveyard all you want.



Fuck this shit, I'm done.

[Gothmog]

56. I am tired of Sanders' attacks on the party

[stonecutter357]

57. K&R!

[mcar]

59. Thank you Kitty

Well said!

[stevenleser]

62. K&R nt

[ProfessorGAC]

63. Way Over The Top

As are all these Sanders threads. Such nitpicky focus when he is clearly and obviously an ally against the resident* and the plans of Ryan and McConnell.

This is not annoyance and frustration. It's pissing on a spark plug and then being surprised when things don't turn out well.

[KittyWampus]

69. So why, when he's talking about Republicans and their assault on healthcare does he have to call the

Democrats "feeble". When in fact, Pelosi held her caucus together? It was a completely gratuitous insult. It was thrown in there for apparently no other reason.

And there are many other instances.

You don't answer that.

You just call it 'nitpicky'.

That isn't nitpicky and calling understandable annoyance and frustration about repeated instances of Sanders' rhetoric and actions that fit this pattern is gas lighting.

I kept my mouth shut about Sanders for the most part until fairly recently.

But he keeps on doing it.

[ProfessorGAC]

163. I Just Don't See The Harm You See

Pelosi doesn't need stroking. She's been big heat for a long time
Politics is an ugly business and maybe I've become desensitized

[Blue_Adept]

92. He may be against 45 but he's taking way too many shots at others on our side

And it's hard to call it friendly fire because it comes across as pretty targeted at times.

[LisaM]

64. Thank you.

He continues to sow division (IMO) and I do not understand it.

[karynnj]

67. Sorry, this is bashing and uses a very typical method that could be used against any public figure

The formula is easy -- take an action or a statement that out of context is troublesome, then contrast to positive actions by others. You could do the same for Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, or Nancy Pelosi. All you have to do is choose a set of either positions they took or things they said that when isolated were not helpful.

In Sanders' case, I suspect part of what you are responding to is coming from the primaries when his supporters, far more than he , attacked Clinton. Like all previous candidates of either party, she was not perfect. Bill Clinton has made comments that are not that far from Sanders' comments on economic concerns of the people in the rust belt/coal company. Yet, you do not react the same way against him.

I understand your frustration because Clinton DID have a whole page on the website ... but that serious, intelligent effort from her team got less coverage than one sentence - that she would put coal miners and coal companies out of business - which IN CONTEXT was speaking of bringing in new clean technology and other jobs. (Here is a youtube that does include more than the sentence that went viral -

)

The Republicans used that one sentence and other similar sentences that needed the surrounding context to create a West Virginia image of a very unfriendly to them HRC. I suspect that any politician who is willing to talk with nuance, seriousness and depth on issues will have to work very hard NOT to have sentences that could be used like this. (Kerry's explanation of voting for a war funding bill that paid for it by rolling back planned tax cuts for the top 1% then voting for the version that added it to the debt was used against him.) In 2008, when the political differences were relatively slight between the top three candidates, all ginned up outrage by intentionally highlighting sentences like this.

On Ossoff, Sanders was asked if he was a progressive. Now, here on DU, progressive is a good thing and saying someone is not progressive is damning. This is not necessarily so everywhere. I suspect that Sanders, like every politician, has learned to carefully parse his words to avoid the "gotcha" experiences I am speaking of. I remember thousands of comments during the primaries saying that Sanders was a negative in the South. I also know where the Clinton campaign sent Sanders. My guess is that his response could be summarized as "not doing any harm and getting out of the way". In the runoff, I expect that Ossoff will be demonized by connecting him to Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton ... and Bernie Sanders. In a far less red state in 2006, Tim Kaine, while running for Governor, took money from John Kerry's PAC, but did not have him come to Virginia to campaign for him - even though they had a great deal in common.

In the big picture, Schumer and others in the Senate leadership thought well enough of Sanders to give him a platform. I suspect that the reason is that both parties see the coalitions that define the parties in considerable flux. There are people, who have been Democrats for decades, who Sanders can speak to who see Schumer as a slick, big city, Wall Street, smartest kid in the class. Oddly, Sanders and Schumer started in almost the same place -- they attended the same prestigious Brooklyn High School. We can not just say that the economic interests of these people is with us, we need them to actually SEE that we are working for them.

At the moment, there are two broad topics that almost certainly result in long passionate arguments - any discussion of flaws in Hillary's campaign - or anything done by Bernie Sanders. Five months later, the election loss is still far too raw for many. As one who mainly hid out in a safe spot (DU JK) in 2005, I understand that it takes time, especially as there was evidence of lies and unfair practices in both elections. It may be that any mention of Bernie brings back the primaries - and worse, the primaries with the knowledge that HRC did not become President. It might also be hard seeing that Sanders, through that primary effort, is far more influential than he was in 2015.

I think one of the hardest tasks we now have as a party is to BOTH allow new leaders to gain recognition and status (while we are out of power) and to use all the strong voices that we have - possibly after breaks of various lengths of time - to define the party or particular issues. Schumer has gained the position he has worked towards his entire career - the top Democrat in the Senate - needing only the party to return to the majority. Unlike Ryan, Pelosi was a leader who could count votes rarely losing a vote when she had the majority. We have two accomplished former Presidents, both healthy enough and popular enough to speak out. In Al Gore and John Kerry, we have two statesmen, who should have been President, who both have made enormous contributions on dealing with climate change - through educating the country (Gore) and the Paris Climate Accord and the pact with China (Kerry) who have signalled they will continue to speak out. Hillary Clinton has already shown that she will continue to be a strong voice, particularly on women's and children's issues.

If we find and develop the new leaders at all the levels needed, I would definitely NOT trade that list of powerful surrogates for what the Republicans have. Trump is already less popular than most Presidents ever become; their ex-Presidents are not all that useful as surrogates, Trump burned through most of would have been the next generation of Republican leaders, incinerating them in his path to the nomination. Both McCain and Romney were diminished over the last several years.

looking at the list of powers that we have, you can see that Sanders is just one of many -- and it is likely that he speaks to some that may be less reachable by the others. Just as we need to make sure that Hillary Clinton sees that we value her, we are best off if we do the same for Sanders.

[KittyWampus]

70. It's gas lighting. Voicing frustration at the Democratic head of OUTREACH, who is being given a

NATIONAL platform and yet who continually belittles the Democratic party, is reasonable.

Sanders has been doing this for months now.

It's not emotionally reacting to one or two instances. It's a rather long list now.

To say it's not reasonable and thus "bashing" is gas lighting.

[karynnj]

78. Focus your anger on Trump and what he is doing

Sanders is not belittling the Democratic party. If he were, don't you think Schumer would be reining him in, rather than joining him on issues that they are in agreement on? I get what Schumer is doing on those initiatives and think it is really smart on both his and Sanders' parts. Here is a link to a prominent joint effort - http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/11/politics/bernie-sanders-chuck-schumer-rallies/ In fact, Sanders appeared live in Michigan the day of the rallies. In Burlington VT, his office organized a rally - that had to be moved twice because of high response -- even though he would only be "there" by video from Michigan, joining many VT activists speaking live.

You never know what caused bills to fail or pass, but I would bet that those rallies, which kicked off a lot of the activism at later town halls may have awoken enough people to scare enough Republicans from voting for their terrible plan. Schumer is the most powerful Democratic Senator in the Senate, but he clearly saw that Sanders has a constituency in addition to the residents of Vermont. (Look back to November 2008, before HRC was named SoS, here at DU, there were tons of threads arguing that she needed a position that reflected her power in the party outside the Senate -- rather than just being a Senator too junior to chair a major committee. To a lesser degree, lesser because HRC 2008 was stronger, that disparity probably led to Schumer's decision.)

I can see that it is impossible to discuss anything related to Sanders with you at this point. Not to mention, I vote "gas lighting" as the most over rated, over used, phrase of both 2016 and 2017! In this instance, it basically means that you reject completely everything I wrote, returning to the same accusations you started with.

[KittyWampus]

83. Being frustrated and annoyed isn't being angry. Only speaking for myself. But I'm personally

not angry at Sanders.

Just annoyed and frustrated.

The party is stuck with him because there's too much potential for him to be used as a sort of wedge.

Hence my frustration.

Because he apparently can't stop with the negative comments, they aren't helpful considering his position as head of party outreach and yet he's going to remain in that position for the foreseeable future.

[JHan]

133. What you're saying occured to me:

I did ask myself - Should I judge Sanders on him misspeaking on this occasion or other occasions?

Of course, Politicians say things that get misinterpreted unfairly.

But is it misspeaking when there's a trend to the comments going back decades? When repeated over and over?

A politician misspeaking once, and facing pushback, knows to not make the same mistake twice. They even make an apology or seek to clarify their comments. I don't expect Sanders to get it right all the time, I don't expect perfection in politicians, that is a fool's errand.

But Sanders' stance on the Democratic party and other issues are known and not him misspeaking. They're not words that need any sort of added context, like the video you shared of Clinton's views on coal. Often times Sander's words feed incorrect narratives about the party, harmful narratives that have no basis in fact. As a millennial I saw the effect of his criticisms since the election - some see it as "proof" that the Democratic Party is still corrupt and beholden to corporate overlords. "Proof" that there's no change. The DNC chair race became a proxy fight of the primaries, the same themes - inane themes - of "corporate" "insider" "old guard" - yes Progressive Perez, because of his ties to Clinton and Obama aides, was smeared. How does this belligerence help? why is this belligerence excused?

No one is saying Sanders should not have a voice, and this is the other twist in these debates. Raising concerns about all I described interpreted as "hating" - Individuals at this point don't concern me as much as the movement to rid ourselves of conservative policies that harm us. So we need pragmatism right now - not purity tests, not slamming the party gratuitously, but focusing on the objective at hand which is retaking the house, retaking the senate and putting a Democratic President in office.

Every second spent wasting time attacking the party for silly reasons is a second that could have been better spent attacking the Corporate Party - the GOP - that has taken us to a pre-Ayn Randian stage where there's a real possibility all the progress of the past 80 years may be undone.

[betsuni]

148. +1

[Maven]

72. THANK YOU. Tired of the gaslighting and both-sides-ism around this issue.

We're not 'bashing', we're reacting to his tonedeaf and self-serving comments. Frankly, I wish he would just go back to doing his job as a Senator, and stop pontificating at every opportunity as the self-appointed oracle of progressivism. Then I'd gladly stop talking about him.

[mythology]

74. I would argue there are both

There really isn't a need to rant every time Sanders says something you don't agree with. I get being annoyed with Sanders for sniping at the Democratic party. But I don't feel the need to repeat it frequently at this point.

Talking about what Clinton said on her website doesn't really address the notion that her campaign wasn't successful at reaching the economically insecure groups that Trump did. Sure Trump reached them with a lie, but he significantly outperformed Romney in counties with the highest percentage of jobs vulnerable to automation or where income growth has been relatively slow.

Maybe Sanders didn't articulate it in the best way, but telling people they were stupid and bought Trump's lies isn't a great way either.

[treestar]

77. Yes, no criticism of Bernie allowed

while criticism of actual Democrats is.

[lies]

79. There is endless Bernie bashing

He's called names, attack for being a 'traitor' and hypocritically singled out for scorn on an hourly basis.

Pretending otherwise is wildly dishonest.

[Hekate]

99. Kindly supply links and examples of anyone here calling Bernie a "traitor" or similar

"Singled out for scorn on an hourly basis" too?

Interesting user-name you have, "lies." Try not to get too carried away in your enthusiasm.

[Me.]

80. K & R

[riderinthestorm]

82. Yes, there is nt

[hrmjustin]

84. Bernie needs to be more careful with his words in the future.

I get the whole independent from the party thing but he needs to pick his battles and words more carefully.

He needs to remember that while many of his followers care more about the progressive label, many Democrats like myself identify themselves more with the party.

[tammywammy]

97. When Sanders called Planned Parenthood part of the establishment

That's when I relegated him to my 🙄 list. His current actions haven't helped him either.

[m-lekktor]

105. So Cecile Richards, daughter of the late Ann Richards , who runs Planned Parenthood

is NOT part of the DEM party establishment?!:! gotcha.

[tammywammy]

108. That's not what's he said.

He said Planned Parenthood is part of the establishment. I disagreed with his attacks on such groups because they didn't endorse him. It was disgusting.

[stevenleser]

115. You are criticizing folks who run progressive institutions like Planned Parenthood now?

Planned Parenthood will do more for the people of this country in a day than Bernie Sanders would do in 50 lifetimes.

[Stargazer99]

183. Yeah, and the Republican party will make damn sure

Planned ParentHood helps no one

[stevenleser]

185. They can certainly try to hurt PP but they can't close PP or prevent it from helping people.

They can only prevent the customers who are on Medicare/Medicaid/title X from receiving care there via not allowing those payors to pay for care there. Anyone on private insurance or who is paying out of pocket is still a potential customer.

[lunamagica]

100. K&R!

[Paladin]

101. K&R.

Bernie needs to contribute something solid and constructive to the Democratic Party, or he needs to shut up. As far as I'm concerned, he and his supporters are currently threatening our chances at a 2018 flogging of the republicans. Enough!

[KPN]

102. Good to know. So stop bashing him.

[Gothmog]

106. For this thread

Link to tweet

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Link to tweet

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[Tarheel_Dem]

110. Happy to be Rec #70!

[tecelote]

117. OMG

More of this?

[bucolic_frolic]

119. By instinct

Bernie speaks to move the agenda leftward.

He's not entirely a Democrat. He's a Democratic Socialist.

His constituents are with him in Vermont. I'm not sure he really
and truly understands what political opposition is like. Sort of like
Dukakis Syndrome. No experience with opposition parties.

[DownriverDem]

123. Thank You

I really don't get Bernie sometimes.

[pecosbob]

125. A good rule of thumb

Neither Mr Sanders nor Ms. Clinton will be running for president again. Let's move on. Post a constructive thread next time.

[George II]

126. And then we have him unabashedly saying, while on tour with the DNC Chairman and...

...sitting right next to Perez during an interview with Chris Hayes last night, "I am not a Democrat".

[tavalon]

132. I stick to talking about the orange baby man on this venue

I'm sad that I chose to read this thread. It's rather hateful and divisive, IMO.

[NurseJackie]

134. True! Peach! (Thank you!)

[left-of-center2012]

135. Stop the Bernie bashing

It's destructive to our efforts in '18 and '20.

[MarianJack]

136. I've had about enough of Back Bench Bernie...

...to last for freakin' ever!

PEACE!

[Arazi]

137. Hahahahaha!!!

Yeah, right. Un-fucking-believable

[NurseJackie]

140. The "feeble" thing was disgusting. Our party and our party members are not "feeble"...

... I'm very proud of our Democratic party and our Democratic party members. Describing our party and our members as "feeble" or "ideologically bankrupt" is offensive and divisive and turns potential voters and donors and volunteers away from our party. It serves no good purpose.

So pointing out our annoyance and frustration with Bernie Sanders and the gratuitous insults that come out of his mouth and his inability to wholly support the Democratic party is not bashing.

You're correct.

Thank you for a great OP.

[Chicago1980]

141. I dont' feel the togetherness nor hear kumbaya.

Attitudes and infighting seem to be as lively now as one year ago during the primaries.

This is sad.

[Historic NY]

144. If you want Bernie Sanders bashing go to twitter, its milk toast here.

[Honeycombe8]

145. I'd agree with this. It is a legitimate complaint that someone who aligns w/the Dems...

doesn't support one in a tight race against a Republican. Or at the least keep quiet and not try to make things harder for him. That's a legitimate criticism and not bashing, IMO.

[LanternWaste]

153. Politicians are criticized. Tin gods and sacred cows are bashed.

Politicians are criticized. Tin gods and sacred cows are bashed.

You are either "bashing" my tin god or are simply criticizing a politician.

Let the language served in defense serve as a leading indicator of bias.

[samnsara]

154. yes i am reasonably annoyed and frustrated with.....

....you know who....

[Proud Liberal Dem]

158. This

I think that I've said pretty much everything about Sanders that I've wanted to in a few other threads but now more than ever we all need to stand together against Trump and right-wing/Republican extremism so that we can get progress back on track for 2018 and esp. 2020. I'm all for Bernie playing a positive role in this.

[LOL Lib]

180. Thanks!

When I asked for examples of Bernie bashing I was called a troll by at least 3 members.