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LisaM

(27,827 posts)
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:22 AM Apr 2017

Sanders' office confirmed he did not campaign for Ossoff.

I just gave them a call. They looked at the schedule. I noted that Sanders had been out on the road with Tom Perez and the Democrats and that it was a razor-thin race in Georgia for a Democratic seat. The woman confirmed to me twice that Sanders had made no effort to help Ossoff in Georgia.
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Sanders' office confirmed he did not campaign for Ossoff. (Original Post) LisaM Apr 2017 OP
too bad...... samnsara Apr 2017 #1
Has it occurred to anyone that Sanders might not be a draw in a normally Republican district? brooklynite Apr 2017 #3
Bingo. It's not the smartest strategy to have him in that particular district. PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #13
Why? Sanders went to Kansas and appeared with Thompson. lapucelle Apr 2017 #59
Thompson lost brooklynite Apr 2017 #67
Yes, I know. lapucelle Apr 2017 #71
I don't think he contributed to the loss; I think he didn't add anything to the campaign... brooklynite Apr 2017 #85
Could be one candidate asked; the other didn't -- karynnj Apr 2017 #73
Sanders is the Outreach Chair. lapucelle Apr 2017 #82
For the SENATE -- not the House --- this was not a Senate race nt karynnj Apr 2017 #84
Sanders holds a party leadership position. lapucelle Apr 2017 #87
I thought that was part of his value. He's supposed to appeal to some Republicans. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #17
I could say the same as in my reply to Brooklynite.. pangaia Apr 2017 #28
What are the demographics of the district? Bradical79 Apr 2017 #32
According to 538 lapucelle Apr 2017 #60
Rural/populist Republicans, sure. Status quo Marco Rubio wealthier suburban type PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #46
To some yes. To others no. pangaia Apr 2017 #27
That didn't stop Our Revolution from endorsing in Kansas lapucelle Apr 2017 #55
I thought Sanders said he wanted to "reach out" to Trump voters NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #72
The highest profile of Ossoff's supporters are celebrities, not politicians HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #2
The point is that Sanders, in office now, did not engage himself LisaM Apr 2017 #9
I don't believe it is telling of anything. pangaia Apr 2017 #47
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc Exilednight Apr 2017 #56
Did you call Ossoff's office to confirm he asked Bernie for help? bigbrother05 Apr 2017 #4
Did ossof's campaign ask or coordinate it? berni_mccoy Apr 2017 #5
"Did Ossof's campaign ask or coordinate it? etc etc....." pangaia Apr 2017 #29
I don't know the answer to that. I do understand subtlety, thanks. LisaM Apr 2017 #68
Not being a political expert, and knowing just the basics of the demographics pangaia Apr 2017 #76
+1 grantcart Apr 2017 #52
In red Georgia, would Ossoff have wanted Sanders to publicly do anything? karynnj Apr 2017 #6
Exactly my point. nt Sienna86 Apr 2017 #41
Are you talking about the Ossoff race in Georgia? lapucelle Apr 2017 #64
I doubt Sanders was wanted. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #7
What's with the vigilante-like preoccupation with Bernie? KPN Apr 2017 #8
Thank you. The Bernie bashing is getting very old..n/t monmouth4 Apr 2017 #11
I third that flamingdem Apr 2017 #15
Actually it looks like it has a new birth. pangaia Apr 2017 #31
And yet, most of the time he is more "democrat" than many. n/t monmouth4 Apr 2017 #36
Agreed. I have been a Democrat for decades.. Sienna86 Apr 2017 #42
Me too and he has been voted the most popular Senator. I can understand that too..n/t monmouth4 Apr 2017 #43
ssshhhhhhhhhhhh..... pangaia Apr 2017 #48
Glad I'm not the only one Norbert9 Apr 2017 #53
Same here. OnionPatch Apr 2017 #88
I know. I'm guessing that people don't remember Trump's tweet that tried Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #20
Folks called out the DNC and made post after post about it for Kansas. SaschaHM Apr 2017 #21
+1 leftstreet Apr 2017 #45
I'll fourth it. sammythecat Apr 2017 #74
Can you name anyone besides John Lewis that did? panader0 Apr 2017 #10
Julian Castro, maybe others too but only recall him stumping for Ossloff ATL Ebony Apr 2017 #39
The verse "God helps those who help themselves" suddenly came to mind. flor-de-jasmim Apr 2017 #12
Here's a reason for why Bernie laid low on Ossoff flamingdem Apr 2017 #14
Maybe Sanders shouldn't criticize DNC as he did in Kansas race, as they had valid reasons not to Justice Apr 2017 #16
I would like to think that both the Dems and Sanders read the local electorate correctly in KS and seaglass Apr 2017 #49
Sanders is Keeping His Powder Dry... TomCADem Apr 2017 #18
What is your point/motive? Greybnk48 Apr 2017 #19
If he HADN'T been out spreading the Dem message with Perez... demmiblue Apr 2017 #23
Are these Duers or Russian operatives trying to tear us apart? n/t Greybnk48 Apr 2017 #80
Way off point. None of those people you mentioned are out there bashing Democrats R B Garr Apr 2017 #35
Sanders doesn't do that either, comrade. Greybnk48 Apr 2017 #79
Re: calling me comrad. The Russian's targeted anti-Hillary, R B Garr Apr 2017 #94
I love how the reactions have changed here.... SaschaHM Apr 2017 #22
Because we don't revolve around his daily schedule or every word. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #26
The NRCC was actively trying use Bernie Sanders against Ossoff without any explicity help aikoaiko Apr 2017 #24
I put up the OP, and it was just an observation. LisaM Apr 2017 #25
PLenty Of People Gave Perez, The DNC & The DCCC Hell For Their Neglect Me. Apr 2017 #33
The continued Bernie Bashing here aquamarina Apr 2017 #30
The Problem Is Me. Apr 2017 #34
How exactly did he put himself in the game aquamarina Apr 2017 #37
For Starters Me. Apr 2017 #62
I really hate this us against them crap. aquamarina Apr 2017 #81
Quite Agree Me. Apr 2017 #89
I don't agree about closed primaries. aquamarina Apr 2017 #92
In reality, look at how he picks his battles and they are all states/areas/regions that R B Garr Apr 2017 #38
A "savior position"? aquamarina Apr 2017 #44
Are you serious? Bernie has said repeatedly that he wants to remake the Democratic party. R B Garr Apr 2017 #54
So you equate aquamarina Apr 2017 #61
Google Bernie and "liberal elitists" to see his recent divisive statements. R B Garr Apr 2017 #66
You are correct, about the coastals aquamarina Apr 2017 #77
The term is accurate, and he's not the only one who sees him that way Orrex Apr 2017 #63
I have been here for a long time. aquamarina Apr 2017 #69
I appreciate that--thanks. Orrex Apr 2017 #70
I hear you on that. aquamarina Apr 2017 #91
It seems particularly disengenuous considering Hillary campaigned for him the same amount as Bernie. WoonTars Apr 2017 #40
Seriously? LisaM Apr 2017 #50
Yes. Seriously. WoonTars Apr 2017 #78
Hillary hasn't suddenly anointed herself the voice of the party. LisaM Apr 2017 #83
Neither has Bernie... WoonTars Apr 2017 #93
maybe he will MFM008 Apr 2017 #51
Both parties must instate a rule Dawson Leery Apr 2017 #57
What is up with all this party purity crap? aquamarina Apr 2017 #65
That's highly interesting. Not at all what I would have expected. But... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #58
Real world perspective from a long-time Georgia resident klook Apr 2017 #75
Again I say lies Apr 2017 #86
Will Sanders step and support Ossoff in the run off? Gothmog Apr 2017 #90

lapucelle

(18,305 posts)
71. Yes, I know.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:47 PM
Apr 2017

Do you think Sanders's endorsement was a factor in the defeat? Are you saying Sanders should stay away from Georgia because he'll hurt rather than help? I don't think that's true.

brooklynite

(94,703 posts)
85. I don't think he contributed to the loss; I think he didn't add anything to the campaign...
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:10 PM
Apr 2017

...and likely wouldn't have in Georgia. He wouldn't turn out progressives (if they weren't worked up by Trump's election, nothing else would have had an impact), and his track record in the GA Presidential Primary (28-71) suggests he doesn't have much appear to middle of the road voters.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
73. Could be one candidate asked; the other didn't --
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:51 PM
Apr 2017

Not to mention, how many deep South states did the Clinton team send Sanders to -- in the general election, he went where they they sent him.

PS Where is your post asking where Bill and Hillary Clinton are? Sanders has a job that requires he spend time in both VT and DC.

lapucelle

(18,305 posts)
82. Sanders is the Outreach Chair.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:07 PM
Apr 2017

Bill and Hillary are doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. The Obamas are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. If they are working for the party, they doing so behind the scenes. They are not muddying up the waters by getting in the way of the new party leadership.

In a new leadership position that was specially created for him by the Democratic party, Sanders has a duty. I don't know whether any candidate specifically courted him, but I'm not sure why that should be a precondition of his doing a job he actively sought and willingly accepted.

lapucelle

(18,305 posts)
87. Sanders holds a party leadership position.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:27 PM
Apr 2017

Because there is no Outreach Committee (or correlative committee arm) for congressional Democrats, I think it's safe to assume that Sanders is in charge of all outreach. He certainly seems to think so.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/16/senate-democrats-tap-bernie-sanders-lead-outreach/93960822/


lapucelle

(18,305 posts)
60. According to 538
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:09 PM
Apr 2017
Georgia’s 6th District is made up of parts of three counties — Cobb, DeKalb and Fulton — and those parts differ significantly from one another. The Cobb section of Georgia 6 has the largest share of white voters (at 76 percent) and is the most Republican; Trump carried that part of Cobb by 15 points. The DeKalb section of Georgia 6 has the largest share of black voters (at 16 percent) and is the most Democratic; Clinton won it by 19 points. Fulton provided about half the district’s vote in the 2016 presidential election, and the registered voters in the Fulton portion of Georgia 6 are 64 percent white and 12 percent black. Trump won the 6th District’s section of Fulton by 3 points.

PatsFan87

(368 posts)
46. Rural/populist Republicans, sure. Status quo Marco Rubio wealthier suburban type
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:42 PM
Apr 2017

Republicans, probably not.

lapucelle

(18,305 posts)
55. That didn't stop Our Revolution from endorsing in Kansas
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:54 PM
Apr 2017

or Senator Sanders from appearing with Thompson.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
2. The highest profile of Ossoff's supporters are celebrities, not politicians
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:33 AM
Apr 2017
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/04/18/democrat-jon-ossoff-gets-hollywood-help-in-georgia-special-election.html

Which is probably more valuable. Obviously if the Obamas and Clintons came out for him, it would be a slam dunk as they crossover from politician to celebrity as they are no longer employed as by the government.

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
9. The point is that Sanders, in office now, did not engage himself
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:38 AM
Apr 2017

Last edited Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:01 PM - Edit history (1)

In this race. We keep being told he is working to strengthen the Democrats yet he made no effort to being his 'revolution' to swing a few votes. Telling.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
47. I don't believe it is telling of anything.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:43 PM
Apr 2017

I am no political stradageirist but, I think it was the wrong 'demographic,' for him to be of help.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
56. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:55 PM
Apr 2017

This is not why we didn't get beyond 50% threshold. We didn't get there because the DNC did not put our candidate in the best position to get there.

If Sanders showed up and campaigned for him, he still would not have made it.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
4. Did you call Ossoff's office to confirm he asked Bernie for help?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:34 AM
Apr 2017

Plenty of folks in the Dem party that could have been involved, how would it be Bernie's fault Ossoff didn't break 50% in an 18 person primary?

BTW - Sanders hasn't been the only one to critique DCCC strategies

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
5. Did ossof's campaign ask or coordinate it?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:34 AM
Apr 2017

Campaigns weigh whether or not A surrogate will work for a campaign. Given Sanders poor performance in GA they may have opted not to.

Posts like the OP are divisive and an attempt to read things that simply aren't there.

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
68. I don't know the answer to that. I do understand subtlety, thanks.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:31 PM
Apr 2017

As I noted earlier, Sanders has been doing the road show with Perez, which has garnered him a lot of accolades on this particular site. Has this accomplished anything? Here, we have an actual race, within grasp, lost by the narrowest of margins, yet the person acclaimed as "the most popular Democratic Senator" is nowhere to be seen. Whose choice? I don't know. I made a call to Sanders' office (partly in response to another post I saw here). If you want to call Ossoff's office and confirm whether help was solicited from Sanders or not, I'd be fascinated to hear the answer (unless it's too subtle for me. )

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
76. Not being a political expert, and knowing just the basics of the demographics
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:00 PM
Apr 2017

in that district learned in the past week or so, my guess is that he would not have been much help there and that Ossoff was running a campaign more geared to those in the northern part of the district...

Tom Rinaldo has a rather long and well thought-out explanation of perhaps why Sanders did not campaign in GA6.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8949746

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
6. In red Georgia, would Ossoff have wanted Sanders to publicly do anything?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:37 AM
Apr 2017

However - as you are likely reacting out of the 2016 primaries, were either Clinton out there? In 2014, the Clintons and people allied with them argued that they, unlike Obama, could help in these Southern races including Nunn in Georgia. However, it is not clear they helped her. This is NOT a criticism of HRC and Bill Clinton - any more than of Obama, Biden or Sanders -- none of whom went to Georgia. My guess is that if the candidate thought they could have helped, he would have asked and I bet - if the timing worked - any of them was pretty likely to have gone.

PS Sanders campaigned where the Clinton team sent him in 2016, did they send him to Georgia, which at one time they thought in play.

I do know that some protest groups that were allied to Sanders were involved in raising money for him. The DCCC thought the race hopeless. It was activists on the left who raised the large amount of money he got.

lapucelle

(18,305 posts)
64. Are you talking about the Ossoff race in Georgia?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:17 PM
Apr 2017
"I do know that some protest groups that were allied to Sanders were involved in raising money for him. The DCCC thought the race hopeless. It was activists on the left who raised the large amount of money he got."

If so, I don't think your assessment is accurate.

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2017/02/23/the-democratic-cavalry-is-headed-to-tom-prices-turf/
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. I doubt Sanders was wanted.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:37 AM
Apr 2017

He could have helped raise funds without making much noise but that would have cut into his resources.

KPN

(15,649 posts)
8. What's with the vigilante-like preoccupation with Bernie?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:38 AM
Apr 2017

Where was the DNC in Thompson's run in Kansas? Aren't they similar situations?

Come on folks. This stuff is about as useful as a flat tire.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
31. Actually it looks like it has a new birth.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:57 PM
Apr 2017

And since he is not a 'Democrat,' as we are constantly reminded.......

OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
88. Same here.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:29 PM
Apr 2017

It sickens me. I've been a Dem my whole (long) life and have been following Bernie throughout his career. He is one of the most principled politicians I have ever known and has stood up for progressive values faithfully. The primaries are over and this prolonged whining by the sore-winners at this site is really starting to get on my last nerve.

Baitball Blogger

(46,756 posts)
20. I know. I'm guessing that people don't remember Trump's tweet that tried
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:38 PM
Apr 2017

to capitalize on this wound.

Look guys, he's watching. Stop giving him ammunition.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
74. I'll fourth it.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:52 PM
Apr 2017

I really get tired of seeing this shit nearly every time I come here. I wanted Bernie but when that was OVER I firmly supported and voted for Hillary. Bernie's good for the country. I'm very glad he's around and still active. I've been a Democrat since the day I was born and will be for the rest of my life, but I really don't give a flying rat's ass that Sanders is an Independent. I like what he does.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
10. Can you name anyone besides John Lewis that did?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:39 AM
Apr 2017

Hillary beat Sanders easily in that district in the primaries.
She did not campaign for Ossoff either, and Ossoff said he
voted for HRC.

flor-de-jasmim

(2,125 posts)
12. The verse "God helps those who help themselves" suddenly came to mind.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:43 AM
Apr 2017

Why is it, that time after time it is Bernie's feet who are held to the fire when Democrats don't win elections. He has done a lot more for democratic causes than many card-carrying members of the Democratic Party. People act as though he, singlehandedly, can be the voice of reason and power in any election anywhere in the country, and if he can't or won't go, somehow it is his fault if the Democratic candidate loses.

It sounds to me as though he has been holding down two full-time jobs, one as an active Senator proposing progressive legislation, the other doing his best to strengthen progressive causes around the country.

There are a lot of Democratic critters at the local, state and national levels who need to get off their duffs first.

*end of rant*

flamingdem

(39,319 posts)
14. Here's a reason for why Bernie laid low on Ossoff
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:47 AM
Apr 2017
http://www.myajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/newcomer-with-war-chest-gives-democrats-hope-georgia-6th-district/m6cqizE9Ie0UYX1wHPjC1M/

There’s also support from the left-leaning Daily Kos website, which so far has raised nearly $1 million for Ossoff.

That’s painted something of a bull’s-eye on Ossoff’s back. No leading GOP contender has directly confronted him, but the National Republican Congressional Committee painted the Democrat as a “far-left Bernie Sanders guy.” (Ossoff, for his part, said he backed Hillary Clinton.)

Justice

(7,188 posts)
16. Maybe Sanders shouldn't criticize DNC as he did in Kansas race, as they had valid reasons not to
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:07 PM
Apr 2017

jump into that one.

I don't read OP as slamming Sanders for not helping Ossoff, rather I read it more to point that he didn't and perhaps there are good reasons he didn't. Maybe we should have a little more faith in the DNC and in Sanders to make the right judgments about where to jump in and where to quietly support from afar.

seaglass

(8,173 posts)
49. I would like to think that both the Dems and Sanders read the local electorate correctly in KS and
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:47 PM
Apr 2017

GA and did what was right to assist the candidates in the way needed. That could have included not lending vocal and/or financial support.

The only thing that bothers me though is that OR and it seems like Bernie are only supporting those who either endorsed/voted for Bernie in the primary or declare themselves to be "Berniecrats". I think that is self-serving and does not help Democrats overall.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
18. Sanders is Keeping His Powder Dry...
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:27 PM
Apr 2017

...of course even a Narcissist like Trump was willing to lend a hand to those supporting him. In contrast, Bernie will throw up the excuse that he is an independent.

I always thought a movement needed many people, rather than just an icon and many followers.

Greybnk48

(10,171 posts)
19. What is your point/motive?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:31 PM
Apr 2017

I don't get why you posted this? Did Al Franken go there and campaign? Chuck Schumer? Where was Hillary? Why single out Bernie who WAS out with Perez?

demmiblue

(36,875 posts)
23. If he HADN'T been out spreading the Dem message with Perez...
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:46 PM
Apr 2017

there would have been just as many OP's/comments disparaging him for it.

It is truly bizarre... especially going to these lengths.

R B Garr

(16,973 posts)
35. Way off point. None of those people you mentioned are out there bashing Democrats
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:00 PM
Apr 2017

and claiming they alone will be saviors for the party as he is doing.

In reality, there is no reason that he couldn't have used his social media twitter machine to write something positive about the Southern race. He is the one who is insisting that Democrats are out of touch elitists. This just looks like sour grapes on his part because the South went for Clinton. He is helping the Montana congress race and called the candidate "populist" because Montana voted for him.

He is just continuing the geographical divisiveness based on whether a certain state/region voted for him. He recently called coastal cities New York, San Francisco "liberal elitists". Enough is enough with his divisive crap.

R B Garr

(16,973 posts)
94. Re: calling me comrad. The Russian's targeted anti-Hillary,
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 01:39 PM
Apr 2017

anti-Democrat types to sow more division. They were anti-Hillary. That is the now-documented, proven history of it. Rachel Maddow has done multiple segments on this proven fact.

I was never anti-Hillary, so your smear is misplaced and actually uninformed as to the Russian's targets.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
22. I love how the reactions have changed here....
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:43 PM
Apr 2017

when there was pretty much blood in the water for the DNC/DCCC/Tom Perez after the Kansas election.

And given how much Bernie stuff gets posted here daily, including the same damn poll and every single interview and article that pops up on a Bernie google alert, why are folks acting like DU doesn't revolve around his daily schedule/every word be they positive or negative?

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
26. Because we don't revolve around his daily schedule or every word.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:49 PM
Apr 2017

But I can see why some people might feel the way that you do. YMMV as people say;

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
24. The NRCC was actively trying use Bernie Sanders against Ossoff without any explicity help
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:48 PM
Apr 2017



The NRCC, the House Republicans’ campaign arm, said Ossoff’s reliance on out-of-state money shows he’s a “far-left Washington insider whose campaign is propped up by Nancy Pelosi, Bernie Sanders and the like.”


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/04/06/democrat-jon-ossoff-raises-8-million-in-georgia-special-election/100122138/

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
25. I put up the OP, and it was just an observation.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:49 PM
Apr 2017

I was just curious, given that Bernie has supposedly been out there pounding the pavement with Perez, how much, if any, effort he'd made in this tight race. Point taken that Perez may not have, either. I just think it's all very complicated.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
33. PLenty Of People Gave Perez, The DNC & The DCCC Hell For Their Neglect
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:57 PM
Apr 2017

of candidates, myself included. Are we going to just accept defeat before even trying? Now if those 2 are going to tour the country claiming to bring Dems together there better be more than lip service from both of them.

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
30. The continued Bernie Bashing here
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 12:56 PM
Apr 2017

really needs to stop. Hillary Clinton has more free time these days, did she support or go out on the stump for Ossoff? Probably not. Should she be bashed for it? Of course not. President Obama has a lot of free time these days. Did he campaign for Ossoff? Are we criticizing him for not campaigning? No.

This constant picking and picking and nitpicking on any of our candidates is exhausting. If Bernie feels he can best help liberal causes by tag teaming with Perez then that is what he should do. If Hillary wants to sit back that's what she should do. If Obama wants to vacation, that's what he should do.

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
37. How exactly did he put himself in the game
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:10 PM
Apr 2017

if he didn't campaign for Ossoff which is what everyone here is complaining about. It seems to me that his "game" is trying to increase the size of the D tent to bring in more people. Only the purists on this site seem to think that is a problem.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
62. For Starters
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:15 PM
Apr 2017

Interviews and scolds about what the Dems need to do and what they're doing wrong. If he's not a Dem, as he says and I take him at his word, then how is it his business what the party does. And it has nothing to do with 'purity', such a silly thing for people to keep saying. You can't be half in and half out, you're either are or not. As for divisiveness, the criticism seems to always start with him. And why, I ask, are DEms expected to like his less than flattering comments and be quiet about them.

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
81. I really hate this us against them crap.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:05 PM
Apr 2017

Ds and Is have a lot in common and should be aligning against the much greater threat that is the R. Why shouldn't the Ds and Is work together? Mathematically speaking if we do this we would trounce the Rs.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
89. Quite Agree
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 04:08 PM
Apr 2017

There is quite a bit to said for that. But it has to be a positive relationship. And respect for the Dems wouldn't hurt. The Dems need to make changes but one I don't see happening is open primaries. I believe I agree with the idea that if you want to participate you have to commit to the relationship.

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
92. I don't agree about closed primaries.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 05:38 PM
Apr 2017

I live in California and am not actually a member of the D party. I'm a "decline to state." That being said, I appreciate the fact that I am able to vote in the D primary and have for the past 20+ years. I believe that R primaries are actually closed and not that I care, but I think it hurts them overall.

I understand the argument that Ds should be able to choose their D candidate, I really do. But in my opinion elections should be as open and inclusive as possible because as we have seen, voter suppression is mostly targeted at Ds and to all of our horror seems always to work to the benefit of Rs.

R B Garr

(16,973 posts)
38. In reality, look at how he picks his battles and they are all states/areas/regions that
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:17 PM
Apr 2017

voted for him. He is not a uniter.

None of the people you mentioned have placed themselves in a savior position as he has, but since he has, he is being scrutinized and he is not actually fighting for Democrats except what suits him. ALL of the people you mentioned have campaigned for other Democrats far more than Bernie ever has.

Bernie is about Bernie. Still.

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
44. A "savior position"?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:31 PM
Apr 2017

Come on. That is such a ridiculous statement. And an equally ridiculous counter argument would be that Hillary has always been about Hillary.

Bernie is an "I" and as far as I can tell has made no claim to the contrary. He affiliates with Ds because he is in agreement with most D positions. Where he differs he makes no beans about it. What is wrong with that? And I fail to see what is wrong with helping the Corporate Ds move a little more to the left where I feel we should be.

D's have always bragged about having the bigger tent but there seems to be a lot of Ds on this site who are more about party purity instead. The only way we are going to be able to overcome R gerrymandering for the next several years is to make the D tent as large as possible.

R B Garr

(16,973 posts)
54. Are you serious? Bernie has said repeatedly that he wants to remake the Democratic party.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:53 PM
Apr 2017

That's pretty much exactly what he has said. He places himself in the savior position by saying those things, yet he picks and chooses his battles to target those areas/regions that voted for him. His strategy is obviously not a universal embracing of Democrats.

And he is the one bashing Democrats about their message, so he has obviously put himself in charge of the purity standards. Even calling people "corporate D's" shows the divisiveness of his message. His recent statements about coastal cities being "liberal elitists" also show how he applies his divisive standards. It's more about growing *his* views, not necessarily the Democratic party.

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
61. So you equate
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:13 PM
Apr 2017

remaking a party with being a savior? I guess I just differ in what I see because what I see is a guy who has a core set of policy issues and wants to try to influence the party that is in the better position of implementing those issues, ie Universal Healthcare, free college tuition, higher wages better paying jobs, etc. Now I live along the coast in So Cal and have to be honest with you in that I've never heard Sanders call me a liberal elitist. On the other hand, I've certainly heard being called that by most Repuke candidates.

What I also see is that for some time and for whatever reason the Ds have slowly but steadily move their policy positions to the right which are not traditional D positions. I also see more and more Ds prioritizing capital over labor and to me that is also a problem - hence the name Corporate Ds. That all being said Repukes present a clear and present danger to all of us and the fight should be against them not this endless internal bickering about Bernie Sanders. Ds have some wonderful leaders, and some amazing up and comers and we should in whatever capacity support them.

Perhaps Bernie felt that involving himself in the Georgia 6th at this early stage might not be beneficial but now that we have the two runoff candidates he will become more involved in trying to convince more moderate or independent Rs see the utter batshit that is their Repuke bretheren and either stay the frack home in June or pull the lever for Ossoff. Sometimes the long game is the better game to play.

R B Garr

(16,973 posts)
66. Google Bernie and "liberal elitists" to see his recent divisive statements.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:22 PM
Apr 2017

The cities he mentioned are all coastal, and they all went for Clinton. Your observation about being called that by Repuke candidates is why his comments are so divisive. His comments are exactly how Rush Limbaugh describes liberals, so you are correct that they are RW talking points.

And, yes, it is obvious he has put himself in the position of being a guru, savior, whatever you want to call it. That is really common knowledge at this point, as we can see by his tour with Perez, etc. He hasn't been respectful in how he characterizes Democrats, so he hasn't earned that same consideration from me. Sorry.

There still isn't an excuse for him to at least have shown some social media support for the Southern candidate. It would have gone a long way towards unity considering how he insulted the South back in 2016 after he lost there. His focus so far is on candidates/regions that have voted for him or fit his "populist" image. Not a very universal strategy.

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
77. You are correct, about the coastals
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:01 PM
Apr 2017

going for Hillary and I was very happy to cast my vote for her as well.

And I googled your terms and the first five results were from the Washingtonexaminer.com Mashable.com, democraticunderground, modernliberals.com and forum.slowtwitch.com. Of this list I only peruse DU and I don't know anything about all the other sites or their reputation.

As for the comment itself, I recall a comment made by candidate Obama during the 2008 election something along the lines of "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations" and Hillary and the Repukes got their panties all twisted up in knots. It was nuts. But the statement has some truth just like there is some truth in the term "coastal elite" or what they used to like to say when I lived in Chicago "limosine liberal."

I also recall candidate Clinton in 2008 saying something along the lines "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," when referring to why she didn't drop out of the primary. And people went nuts, rightly so, about that too.

I guess I just see the candidates as people, not heros or saviors or anything else. They say stupid things, they do stupid things, they say great things, they do great things, etc. etc. etc. But I certainly do no see BS through the same angry glasses that you are looking through.

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
63. The term is accurate, and he's not the only one who sees him that way
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:15 PM
Apr 2017

Surely you were aware of the Messianic memes circulating during his primary run, the ones explicitly likening him to Christ?

Yes, his supporters at the time were quick to dismiss these images as jokes, but often they'd add something to the effect of "but the point is valid."


My less-than-glowing posts about Sanders tend to get hidden, so read this one quick before it vanishes.

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
69. I have been here for a long time.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:33 PM
Apr 2017

And it seems to me that with each primary season it gets worse and worse. 2008's Puma vs Obama were pretty intense but 2016's Hillary vs Bernie were epic. Before that we were just fighting Jr. Bush. And while I enjoy reading the vitriolic but passionate posts from each side, at the end of the day I can only make up my own mind based on who I think will do the better job. And quite frankly I would never place blind faith in a single person. Every candidate had strengths and every candidate had flaws. However, 45 is the true enemy and that is what we should be focusing on.

Sorry to hear about all you hidden posts. I like the free-for-all so unless the poster was making an actual threat, I voted to let a post stay.

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
70. I appreciate that--thanks.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:39 PM
Apr 2017

I took myself out of the jury pool shortly after the switch to the new "improved" format, which I find overly restrictive and poorly suited to the task at hand.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
40. It seems particularly disengenuous considering Hillary campaigned for him the same amount as Bernie.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:20 PM
Apr 2017

Which is to say, not at all. And yet Hillary is not criticized??

Very strange.

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
50. Seriously?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:49 PM
Apr 2017

In the past, she's been on the ground for Democrats much more than Bernie has (examples: she's campaigned for Patty Murray, Jay Inslee, and Mark Schuette to my first-hand knowledge, which Bernie did not), but anyone who supported her has had to listen to, ad nauseum, post mortems on how she blew the race. She's been pushed aside by those people, while Bernie has been venerated (just open up DU at any point, and count the times his name appears in an OP versus hers).

Given that, it wouldn't be too much of a leap to assume that his endorsement or participation would have been considered an asset by the campaign, while Hillary's endorsement would not currently matter or maybe even hurt. If not, that's all fine, but some people seem to want to have it both ways. I simply called his office to ascertain his level of participation, if any.

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
83. Hillary hasn't suddenly anointed herself the voice of the party.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:08 PM
Apr 2017

Certain other people have, and they were MIA during this campaign. As someone else pointed out, not even a Tweet on behalf of Ossoff.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
57. Both parties must instate a rule
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:58 PM
Apr 2017

that says candidates for President must be active members of the party for at least five years.

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
65. What is up with all this party purity crap?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:21 PM
Apr 2017

If I recall, we used to mock Repuke loyalty oaths. And we are seeing just how horrible things are when you put party over country. Ds need not be this insecure. We have (for the most party) excellent policy positions and some great up and coming leaders. If an equally good person who just happens to not have a D after his or her name wants to join in why the hell would we turn that person away? Diversity is our strength and this should apply to our candidates as well. If our policy positions mesh then why would we fight so hard to exclude them. This is crazy.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
58. That's highly interesting. Not at all what I would have expected. But...
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:03 PM
Apr 2017

... maybe I was just expecting too much. One thing I've learned in life is that if you keep your expectations low, then you'll rarely be disappointed. (It's not always easy to do, but it's true nevertheless.)

klook

(12,164 posts)
75. Real world perspective from a long-time Georgia resident
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:00 PM
Apr 2017

Frankly, an endorsement from Bernie Sanders would probably have been kryptonite in that district. Remember, this is a district that elected Tom Price to Congress SEVEN straight times. His predecessor in that seat was Republican Johnny Isakson, currently the slightly less horrifying of our two Georgia U.S. Senators.

That is a semi-affluent north Atlanta district that is maybe starting to lean a little more purplish shade thanks to changes in the electorate there (and repulsion to Donald Trump), but it's by no means a progressive stronghold!

I doubt seriously that anybody in the campaign or the DCCC gave the idea of a Sanders endorsement for Ossoff more than a second's thought, which is fortunate -- because, as much as I admire Sanders's policy positions, Ossoff is better off without that endorsement.

 

lies

(315 posts)
86. Again I say
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:21 PM
Apr 2017

Let's make a list of EVERY Democratic Party politician that didn't campaign for him, and then let's demand they all resign as they're OBVIOUSLY pro-Trump and trying to destroy the Democratic Party...

Oh wait, you mean this is just selective outrage designed to create animosity towards the most popular and most trusted politician in America, who is currently working every day to help Democrats alongside the chairman of the party?

Well, in that case, f&ck off.

This ginned up outrage shit is driving people away from the party.

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